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Risky Bisquick posted:They are on track to sample from TSMC, for both a 7nm Vega AND Epyc. 7nm is rumoured to be 6 core ccx so intel is super boned. https://mobile.twitter.com/2901bitslice/status/989275561364082688 https://mobile.twitter.com/AMDNews/status/989258151345229825 So yeah, if they're both TSMC that means Q1 2019, you know right after Intel releases 8C CFL. Icelake is still MIA, consumer chips scheduled for a nebulous 2019.
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mdxi posted:Jim Keller, having left AMD to go to Tesla after completing work on Ryzen, has now left Tesla to go to Intel.
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I do wonder why all 2000 series CPUs seem to hit a wall at 4.2 Ghz, either the process is super consistent or they're binning very aggressively for 2800X/TR2.
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eames posted:I do wonder why all 2000 series CPUs seem to hit a wall at 4.2 Ghz, either the process is super consistent or they're binning very aggressively for 2800X/TR2. Hitting the wall at around the same mark even after switching to a HP process points towards a bottleneck somewhere in the architecture, I think.
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Risky Bisquick posted:7nm is rumoured to be 6 core ccx so intel is super boned. That'd mean 24 (logical) cores max on AM4, right? Anime Schoolgirl posted:Intel's 10nm must have been a really big trash fire for him to get involved. Guessing Intel is the smaller trash fire
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eames posted:I do wonder why all 2000 series CPUs seem to hit a wall at 4.2 Ghz, either the process is super consistent or they're binning very aggressively for 2800X/TR2. If folks are consistently getting 4.4-4.5GHz by slightly adjusting BCLK, I think that architectural limitation is infinity fabric and its impact on timing.
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Apr 26, 2018 14:39
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:Intel's 10nm must have been a really big trash fire for him to get involved. Keller is a cpu architect, he can't fix TMG and the process
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Apr 26, 2018 14:53
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NewFatMike posted:If folks are consistently getting 4.4-4.5GHz by slightly adjusting BCLK, I think that architectural limitation is infinity fabric and its impact on timing. Yeah zen+ is basically a process change and minor one at that It got a few extra mhz and probably fixed a bunch of bugs but people expecting 5ghz are delusional since it's a generation behind intel 14nm 7nm on the other hand....
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Munkeymon posted:That'd mean 24 (logical) cores max on AM4, right? 
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Apr 26, 2018 15:15
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1950X is $719 on Amazon, like $80 below its previous low water mark. Looks like its time to start clearing the old stock out.
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That'd explain the hilariously overspecced VRMs with high quality components on many recent X470 boards, probably the best thing to come out of that platform refresh. Back when X370 was released the MB vendors didn't know whether Ryzen would be competitive so they just put "acceptable" components on there and rushed them out the door. X470 boards seem to be much more solid in that regard, even better than Z270/Z370.
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Malcolm XML posted:Yeah zen+ is basically a process change and minor one at that The only point I'm making is 14nm or generation behind 14nm is irrelevant. Khorne fucked around with this message at 18:57 on Apr 26, 2018 |
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Apr 26, 2018 18:52
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Risky Bisquick posted:Presumably 12 Am4 / 24 TR4 / 48 per socket SP3 Hey, remember the LAST time that AMD dumped more cores on the industry than they knew what to do with? Yeah, those were good times.
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Apr 26, 2018 18:54
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If you want we can always dial it back to 2007 when we got the q6600.
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Khorne posted:Ivy is 22nm and sandy is 32nm. Both can hit 5GHz on air. That's not really proof of anything though? The point is Zen+ can in fact hit higher clockrates, which indicates less of a process issue and more a design issue. Risky Bisquick posted:If you want we can always dial it back to 2007 when we got the q6600. "Well back in 2007, Intel quadrupled your cores! It's 2018, after all this time AMD can only manage to triple your cores!" EmpyreanFlux fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Apr 26, 2018 |
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Apr 26, 2018 19:24
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eames posted:That'd explain the hilariously overspecced VRMs with high quality components on many recent X470 boards, probably the best thing to come out of that platform refresh. Back when X370 was released the MB vendors didn't know whether Ryzen would be competitive so they just put "acceptable" components on there and rushed them out the door. X470 boards seem to be much more solid in that regard, even better than Z270/Z370.  don't say that - I don't wanna have to upgrade the whole fuckin' mobo next year to get a stable upgrade
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Apr 26, 2018 19:33
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If you don't want 12 cores, Intel will gladly sell you 6 for the same price 
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Hey, remember the LAST time that AMD dumped more cores on the industry than they knew what to do with? "Cores"
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Apr 26, 2018 19:46
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Risky Bisquick posted:If you don't want 12 cores, Intel will gladly sell you 6 for the same price I want 16 cores that all run at 5.0ghz though. No. A hundred cores. Man I want more TR. My next build is almost definitely going to be a threadripper line.
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Deuce posted:My next build is almost definitely going to be a threadripper line. Same. I've started video editing and it's looking sick nasty. I want to see new tr boards. It's fricking bizarre I couldn't find any yet that aren't pimped out with Leds though. But the Asus x399A looks good.
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Deuce posted:I want 16 cores that all run at 5.0ghz though. This is me with my TR 1950x build  
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Apr 26, 2018 20:14
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Risky Bisquick posted:They are on track to sample from TSMC, for both a 7nm Vega AND Epyc. 7nm is rumoured to be 6 core ccx so intel is super boned. was tmsc part of the group that developed 7nm with gloflo/ibm?
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Deuce posted:I want 16 cores that all run at 5.0ghz though.
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2700X for $280 through the ebay app: https://slickdeals.net/f/11525407-amd-ryzen-7-1800x-8-core-3-6ghz-desktop-processor-254-99-more-w-ebay-app-free-shipping
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Risky Bisquick posted:They are on track to sample from TSMC, for both a 7nm Vega AND Epyc. 7nm is rumoured to be 6 core ccx so intel is super boned. 96 thread Epyc 
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If AMD actually manages to kick Intel's rear end up and down the entire stack, I wonder how Intel will try to slip out of the x86/amd64 cross-licensing agreement.
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dont be mean to me posted:If AMD actually manages to kick Intel's rear end up and down the entire stack, I wonder how Intel will try to slip out of the x86/amd64 cross-licensing agreement. Can they afford to? Windows on ARM is off to a rocky start, but I'd be willing to bet they'll hit "good enough" for majority users within a generation or two, where it'll be competing with premium Chromebooks and iPad pro. Then you've got Apple, who are their own kind of beast. Maybe we'll just get Itanium back! 
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At any rate, AMD had better make hay while the sun shines, now that Keller is at Intel. I don't think it has been said whether he is specifically working on the CPU or GPU side, but AMD is on a timer before the status quo on one side or the other is upset, again.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:At any rate, AMD had better make hay while the sun shines, now that Keller is at Intel. I don't think it has been said whether he is specifically working on the CPU or GPU side, but AMD is on a timer before the status quo on one side or the other is upset, again. It sounded like he might be working on their new autonomous driving initiative?
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Keller is infatuated with ARM, mobile, and machine intelligence and it's applications (like autonomous driving). It's unlikely Inel isn't tapping Keller for what they can do with x86, but I bet they want to bring him on so Intel can fight Qualcomm in the Windows-ARM space, and catch up to Nvidia in autonomous driving.
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dont be mean to me posted:If AMD actually manages to kick Intel's rear end up and down the entire stack, I wonder how Intel will try to slip out of the x86/amd64 cross-licensing agreement. imma let you finish, but intel made $4.5 billion dollars profit this quarter it's cool that AMD is back and all, and Intel getting hosed by 7nm is some deserved comeuppance. but AMD and Intel are, in the end, partners on the whole x86 thing. I want AMD to compete well and Intel to play fair. I'm not sure I want some huge upheaval where Intel is doing so badly that they try to burn down the whole building with the X86 license agreement. Because the most plausible reason I can see for that is the future where both of them are losing to ARM and tablets rule the world.
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Intel can't do anything about the x86 license agreement. And they're very much not partners at all given how many times and the lengths to which Intel has gone to screw AMD over. Realistically if you're expecting Intel to fold up shop then LOL but its looking like they might get their face pushed in for a couple of years at least on performance if AMD executes half as well as expected on Zen2 so maybe they'll be competing on price for a while for the first time in like a decade or so.
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NewFatMike posted:Can they afford to? Windows on ARM is off to a rocky start, but I'd be willing to bet they'll hit "good enough" for majority users within a generation or two, where it'll be competing with premium Chromebooks and iPad pro. And here I thought they killed RT. Welp!
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The whole point of using Windows is the software ecosystem. There’s no way they catch up to the iPad on that front if they start over, so abandoning every piece of existing Windows software that isn’t pure CLR would be, IMO, very unwise.
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Munkeymon posted:And here I thought they killed RT. Welp! Windows on ARM isn't quite as gimped as RT was. The idea is that they can run x86 programs (just 32 bit for now iirc) rather than relying on developers porting their apps to UWP or whatever Microsoft's new flavor of the month is.
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How fast are Noctua to deliver AM4 mounting parts when you send them your motherboard receipt for their heatsink program?
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I can't be the only one who wants to see a workstation-class ARM chip, right? Will ARM always be relegated to low power implementations?
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SamDabbers posted:I can't be the only one who wants to see a workstation-class ARM chip, right? Will ARM always be relegated to low power implementations? It's just now moving into higher power situations (Examples: Qualcomm Centriq, Cavium ThunderX2), which may be part of why Intel feels threatened enough to bring in Jim Keller. Example # xxx why one of the dumbest decisions Intel ever made was selling off their ARM division instead of putting R&D money into it.
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Subjunctive posted:The whole point of using Windows is the software ecosystem. There’s no way they catch up to the iPad on that front if they start over, so abandoning every piece of existing Windows software that isn’t pure CLR would be, IMO, very unwise. We just passed the 14th quarter of continuous decline in all tablet sales. Apple's highest quarter for iPad sales, their first quarter of fiscal 2014, saw just over 26 million iPads sold. Their first quarter of fiscal 2018 saw 13.17 million sold. The idea of catching up to a market in ongoing collapse is a bit funny.
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