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Torrannor posted:Why is there a B-Wing in Star Trek? I don't know why, but I'd like more of it please. EDIT: Top of the page? Goddamn it. To pretend I'm actively adding content, I saw Star Trek Beyond for the first time last night and I retroactively feel a little worse about Discovery.
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excuse me but FASA was designing terrible Star Trek ships long before STO or deviantart existed
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Apr 29, 2018 17:10
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FuturePastNow posted:excuse me but FASA was designing terrible Star Trek ships long before STO or deviantart existed Oh yes. 
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Apr 29, 2018 17:38
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Hipster_Doofus posted:Not sure I would call energy derived from the alt-right as "clean," but hey what the hell. Wasn't this the plot of the last Doom game?
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Apr 29, 2018 20:26
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FuturePastNow posted:excuse me but FASA was designing terrible Star Trek ships long before STO or deviantart existed Especially for their early-TNG era stuff, which came out right before they abruptly lost their contract with Paramount due to "licensing difficulties." Seriously, look at this crap:     
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Apr 29, 2018 21:17
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That first one is essentially the Sovereign, so yeah,
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Apr 29, 2018 21:31
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Geekboy posted:
Do not mess with the X-Bomber, it will ruin your day.  And it had a banger of a theme tune. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD-9NZsYCQw Dirty fucked around with this message at 11:16 on Apr 30, 2018 |
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Apr 30, 2018 11:14
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http://vmashup.com/TMLPt0uC
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Apr 30, 2018 14:21
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Yes, that fits well. Also, that X-Bomber looks like the Battlehawk from Terrahawks.
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Apr 30, 2018 15:20
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The_Doctor posted:Oh yes. i really like this one as well its like an upside down sailboat, or a regular side up garden trowel Powered Descent posted:Especially for their early-TNG era stuff, which came out right before they abruptly lost their contract with Paramount due to "licensing difficulties." these ones all stink tho. needs the giant underside fin
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May 1, 2018 19:27
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Powered Descent posted:Especially for their early-TNG era stuff, which came out right before they abruptly lost their contract with Paramount due to "licensing difficulties." These look like something I'd draw in occupational therapy after a bad fall.
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May 1, 2018 20:54
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The Royal Sovereign design isn't that bad, out of those FASA designs. While the secondary hull is a rather elongated hot mess, it at least looks like a ship contemporary to the Galaxy-class. A lot of fan blueprints and starship designs from the 80's would have made excellent slightly-pre-TOS vessels, but what are you going to do?
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May 4, 2018 15:12
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I think there's an interesting design lineage with the canon designs you see for Starfleet's cruiser-type ships. Start with the Constitution. Saucer, engineering hull, nacelles, all on thin angled pylons. The new cruiser type we see after the Constitution is the Excelsior. The neck pylon is now straight up rather than the forward-leaning neck of the Constitution, and much shorter and wider. The nacelle pylons are now straight right angles. It's a larger, stouter looking ship. After the Excelsior is the Ambassador class, which largely keeps the shapes of the Excelsior but dramatically changes the proportions. The Constitution and Excelsior are both long, narrow, vertically tall looking ships. The Ambassador's proportions are quite different, it's short and fat, very blocky despite how rounded everything is. The nacelles especially are now short and wide, rather than the long, thin nacelles of previous cruisers. It's a rather compact looking ship by comparison to previous and subsequent designs. From the Ambassador, we get the Galaxy class. Proportions are generally the same as the Ambassador, but the saucer is stretched out horizontally and the neck pylon stretches to accomodate in a cobra hood looking configuration. The secondary hull drops the 'tail' the Ambassador and Excelsior had, and the secondary hull almost seems to huddle underneath and behind the massive Galaxy saucer. It's not as compact or blocky as the Ambassador, but retains the short and wide proportions while remaining a rather tall ship. Before we get to the Sovereign, though, another cruiser-type ship appeared in Star Trek: the Intrepid. I think the Intrepid is a divergent evolution of the Excelsior design, as it draws on the same design heritage but like the Ambassador makes some significant alterations. First and foremost, the neck pylon is eliminated, bringing the saucer down to sit directly on top of the engineering section. Additionally, the nacelles are brought down to level with the secondary hull, with shorter pylons. It's still a long and narrow looking ship, but now it's much shorter and sleeker than its predecessors and contemporaries. The Sovereign, in my mind, is an evolution of the Intrepid rather than the Galaxy, as it retains the same proportions and styling. Saucer sitting directly on top of engineering with no discernable neck pylon, and low-slung nacelle pylons keeping the nacelles close to the body of the ship - on level with the saucer like in older designs, but feeling much closer in with much less empty space due to the Sovereign's different proportions. It's another long, narrow, low-slung ship like the Intrepid. The Nova is very similar to the Intrepid in design and proportions. Finally, the Prometheus seems to be another iteration from the Intrepid, this time almost completely eliminating the distinction between saucer and secondary hull (though given the Prometheus' gimmick, this isn't surprising), though you can still see the distinct parts. There's a few other 'lines' of Federation ships I think you can trace in the canon. The Miranda class leads smoothly to the Centaur, with a brief fling with the Galaxy class leading to the Nebula, and from STD I think the Walker class (USS Shenzou) slides neatly into place as the Miranda's predecessor. The Akira obviously draws heavily from the NX with their catamaran design you see nowhere else. And during the DS9 era, you see a flurry of new Starfleet designs with no clear design lineage that seem to be wholly new designs - the Defiant, Saber, Norway, Steamrunner, and Peregrine (the Akira not anymore thanks to Enterprise). Which makes sense if Starfleet is experimenting with new designs in response to threats like the Borg, and in my mind, perhaps advances in warp technology. In TOS, the Enterprise's nacelles were supposed to be dangerous in the eyes of the show's designers, and should be kept away from the ship. You see that philosophy continue until the DS9 era, so perhaps Starfleet came up with a way to make the nacelles safer.
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May 4, 2018 16:25
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Well thought-out. Could also be considered that the Steamrunner, Sabre and Defiant-classes come from a similar design lineage or school of thought. Comparatively flat, with nacelles that are part of the main hull instead of connected by any sort of pylon assembly.
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May 4, 2018 23:47
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Wee Bairns posted:Well thought-out. True, though they all appeared around the same time. Sisko personally designed the Defiant, so maybe he had a hand in the other two or it was part of a general experiment in making small, compact ships.
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May 4, 2018 23:54
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The_Doctor posted:Yes, that fits well. Also, that X-Bomber looks like the Battlehawk from Terrahawks. Not a huge surprise given that Terrahawks was made because X-Bomber had been a huge hit in the UK, but the models etc had been destroyed earlier so they weren't able to commission a second series from Japan.
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May 5, 2018 00:40
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Thinking about the Starfleet designs, Discovery bugs me even more - it really doesn't look much like any Starfleet ship we've seen before or since, chronologically. For one thing, the speed holes and spinny bits in the saucer. We've seen holes/negative space in Federation ships before, like the Vulcans' D'Kyr class from Enterprise and the catamaran design of the NX and Akira, but the Crossfield's saucer is something very different. Partly because of that, the neck pylon of the Crossfield rises up over the saucer section, forming a handle to the pizza cutter. That's another strange bit of design never seen in a Starfleet vessel. The secondary hull is truly bizarre from a Starfleet perspective, not simply because it's triangular, but because it's completely flat. Starfleet ships are almost always very rounded and smooth looking, hard lines and angles are an unusual sight, usually on a small scale like the rear hull of the catamaran series or the Miranda's roll bar. Stylistically, Starfleet just doesn't do flat, angled planes. The Saber and Steamrunner come closest, but even they break up the harsh lines with curves in the hull. Finally, the nacelles are set directly atop the secondary hull. Not unheard of - see the Oberth, Saber, Defiant, and Steamrunner - but those cases all have the nacelles running the length of the ship, not in otherwise traditional nacelle positions trailing behind the hull. The Crossfield class has all the elements of a Starfleet ship, but there's some strange choices involved and the proportions are just odd. It's a super long ship, made so mostly by the long nacelles, but if you were to trim the nacelles back to a more reasonable level you'd still have an awkward looking ship with that triangular secondary hull and the long pizza cutter design of the neck and saucer. Still, no stranger than the Oberth, I suppose. The Crossfield at least can be written off as a twisted and rightfully forgotten spin-off of the Starfleet cruiser line. But I have no idea at all what design tree the Oberth dropped out of.
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May 5, 2018 05:14
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Cythereal posted:But I have no idea at all what design tree the Oberth dropped out of. 
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May 5, 2018 05:55
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Cythereal posted:Still, no stranger than the Oberth, I suppose. The Crossfield at least can be written off as a twisted and rightfully forgotten spin-off of the Starfleet cruiser line. But I have no idea at all what design tree the Oberth dropped out of. Starfleet's been around long enough they probably have tons of dead-end design offshoots and one-shots, just like they seem to have a lot of abandoned engine concepts using some of those ships as testbeds.
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May 5, 2018 08:11
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Cythereal posted:True, though they all appeared around the same time. Sisko personally designed the Defiant, so maybe he had a hand in the other two or it was part of a general experiment in making small, compact ships. Well, I suppose you could claim the Oberth comes from this lineage too. The secondary hull looks like an afterthought in its design.
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May 6, 2018 03:28
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Anyone hear if they're ever gonna do a second soundtrack volume for Discovery? As much as I loathe the name, I really liked the Black Alert music and want it, but I saw a snip of some interview with the composer where he sniffed and said something like "well i just like to release whole albums, so sorry (heh not sorry  ) if your favorite track doesn't make it" and I have the ugly feeling all we got is all we're going to get.
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May 17, 2018 05:42
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Maybe in 20 years, DIS will get a glorified four disc soundtrack release on La-La Land records.
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May 17, 2018 09:12
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I've been wanting to watch this but I don't want to deal with yet another streaming service, especially considering the terrible things I've heard about CBS's service. I see that the show is now on Amazon Video as well. How does that work, exactly. Is the Amazon picture quality better than CBS or is that hoping for too much?
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May 28, 2018 21:42
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...! posted:I've been wanting to watch this but I don't want to deal with yet another streaming service, especially considering the terrible things I've heard about CBS's service. I see that the show is now on Amazon Video as well. How does that work, exactly. Is the Amazon picture quality better than CBS or is that hoping for too much? Apparently much better, since Amazon knows how to handle high quality video streaming, and CBS doesn’t.
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May 28, 2018 21:43
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Wee Bairns posted:Well, I suppose you could claim the Oberth comes from this lineage too. The secondary hull looks like an afterthought in its design. Could have been a case like that proposed underslung secondary hull on the NX. Ship doesn't have enough power? Just bolt another hull with a warp core onto it somewhere. Or the Mirandas, some of which have the Reliant-style roll bar and some don't.
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May 28, 2018 21:47
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Netflix series "the Toys that made us" had an episode about history of licensed Star Trek toys. Spoilers: Som... most of them were really bad. Bit taste, a kirk helmet:  (also available with text Spock)
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May 28, 2018 22:11
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adhuin posted:Netflix series "the Toys that made us" had an episode about history of licensed Star Trek toys. What do you mean, it looks pretty authentic to me. 
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May 28, 2018 22:27
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Cythereal posted:Thinking about the Starfleet designs, Discovery bugs me even more - it really doesn't look much like any Starfleet ship we've seen before or since, chronologically. Crossfield feels completely incongruous with literally all Starfleet designs, yes, while the Shenzhou looks like it would fit just fine in the 24th Century but looks completely out-of-time in the era of NCC-1701. Discovery's ship design is all over the loving place.
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May 28, 2018 22:33
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Timby posted:Crossfield feels completely incongruous with literally all Starfleet designs, yes, while the Shenzhou looks like it would fit just fine in the 24th Century but looks completely out-of-time in the era of NCC-1701. Not to mention the Klingon ships that are all different and yet I can't really describe any of them because they all seem like non-euclidean tangles of spikes and greebles and not in a cool way
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May 29, 2018 00:08
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The_Doctor posted:Apparently much better, since Amazon knows how to handle high quality video streaming, and CBS doesn’t. Great. I was hoping that that was the case but one article I read made it sound like Amazon wasn't actually hosting it themselves but was just using their client on top of CBS's backend somehow, which would be really stupid.
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May 29, 2018 05:18
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You still subscribe to all-access, but it's through Amazon. One way you can see right off the bat that it's better streams is you get 5.1 audio. Still sucks compared to overseas though where they can watch it on Netflix with HDR.
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May 29, 2018 05:26
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I miss the thread title: We'll All Access it Elsewhere
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...! posted:Great. I was hoping that that was the case but one article I read made it sound like Amazon wasn't actually hosting it themselves but was just using their client on top of CBS's backend somehow, which would be really stupid. I don't know how the CBS distribution system works, but it's possible that there are different deliverables for each distribution partner. So Netflix gets the 4:4:4 HDR file, Amazon gets one with 5.1, and CBS gets the same thing that airs on broadcast. If they have their own platform it really doesn't make any sense that they wouldn't sweeten the deal with better quality streams, but maybe they just don't have the infrastructure to support a bunch of AVC streams at those sizes.
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Tighclops posted:Honestly I feel like blue light aliens and blue tech are overdone not just in this show, it's like a modern problem Yeah, it's something that I absolutely hate these days. It's like blue LEDs came out and people just can't stop putting the loving things into everything. Give me some goddamn reds and yellows and greens too.
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It's the orange/teal color grading craze that's gripped Hollywood and Disco is really rife with it. I'd grab some more screenshots if I weren't at work but here's a prime example I posted earlier in the thread: Another example that really stuck out to me was how in the final battle with the Mirror Universe Super Battleship, the MU ship bridge was orange all over the place while the Disco bridge was super blue.
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May 30, 2018 18:59
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I miss the color green.
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HD DAD posted:I miss the color green. Fear not, I'm sure the Romulans will show up sooner or later with or without some clumsy retcons to explain why STD did whatever the gently caress it wants with the them, much like how Klingons in STD are cannibal rapist religious fanatics who look nothing like Klingons and fly abstract modernist sculptures rather than warships.
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Cythereal posted:Fear not, I'm sure the Romulans will show up sooner or later with or without some clumsy retcons to explain why STD did whatever the gently caress it wants with the them, much like how Klingons in STD are cannibal rapist religious fanatics who look nothing like Klingons and fly abstract modernist sculptures rather than warships. something something Section 31 did it!
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https://trekmovie.com/2018/05/29/star-trek-discovery-designers-tease-new-and-reimagined-aliens-for-season-2/ They are chomping at the bit to do the Borg and also want to unmask the Breen.
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bull3964 posted:https://trekmovie.com/2018/05/29/star-trek-discovery-designers-tease-new-and-reimagined-aliens-for-season-2/ "When discussing how they approached the Klingons, Hetrick promised that there will be more exploration of the various Houses in season two:" nooooooooo
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