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Fister Roboto posted:But they could have done it in so many other ways. Like others said, they could have broken up the scene to imply the passage of time, rather than literally watching the projectiles cross the inner solar system in 15 seconds. Or they could have said that the Mars ships had managed to sneak inside of Luna's orbit. Breaking the laws of physics doesn't add anything to the story either, so why do it? As for what it adds- a sense of tension that they would not have been able to maintain if you cut to other stuff happening between missile scenes. All the people in that room were going to be on the edge of their seat, worried out of their minds about the lives in the balance for the entirety of that operation. If you want the audience to experience that, you can't cut to the crew of the Rocinante farting around, or Anna skyping her kid. You'd have to stay in that room and give the audience a taste of how long a time is passing and how helpless everyone is... and that would indeed be interesting, but it would necessarily take a long time. It was a drat good scene, but I'd really rather get the gist of it (as we very neatly did) and get on with it's implications and other story events. Rewatching that scene, even with an eye for pedantry and knowing exactly how it goes down... it's incredibly tense! The quick wordless reaction shots of the General Secretary and Errenwright are really evocative. It gives you the experience of these people having made a decision and being helpless to do anything but accept the consequences at this point. It's a pretty great scene! It would be a shame to let pedantry ruin that for you. Eiba fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Apr 28, 2018 |
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Ooh yeah that preview looked cool and it's definitely not something I remember from the books, could be really fun! I'm totally up for a completely original character to come in and mix things up too, if it's done well. It serves a practical purpose too for the Roci's needs, should be fun. Shades of Julie Mao's situation way back in the premiere too.
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Apr 28, 2018 01:06
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If you really want to nitpick, it sure was a good thing that Earth had exactly as many planetary railguns as Mars had stealth missile ships  The railgun sequence was good
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Apr 28, 2018 02:15
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This episode was amazing. I was literally talking out loud at my tv, begging Cortyar not to do it from the moment he told Theo to close his eyes, and that slow burn of Mao acting like a real human being and that doctor cheerfully being a monstrous sociopath back at him so reassuringly was incredible. "It's good that the children can play together." "Yes sir, it increases their cortisol levels, which lets us turn them into mindless monsters more easily!" "....."
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Apr 28, 2018 14:31
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Yeah, that was pretty cool. Im guessing the doctor will rebel and refuse to dismantle the project and that will lead to some kind of containment failure (or intentional leakage)
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Apr 28, 2018 14:47
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double nine posted:she went through a bunch of different varieties of snickering as Avasarala tested her new dancing shoes and it was hilarious. I like how she had a meltdown after the trolling Amos did by changing the MCRN logo
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Apr 28, 2018 16:03
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the evil scientist doctor also plays the sycophant evil commander in Killjoys, and he's just as sophisticated/posh & evil here. Guy's got a niche is what I'm saying.
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Apr 28, 2018 16:33
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double nine posted:Guy's got a niche is what I'm saying. It suits him well
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Apr 28, 2018 16:50
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etalian posted:I like how she had a meltdown after the trolling Amos did by changing the MCRN logo "Do you think that's funny!?" "Well...not right now..." God I need this show to be renewed so we can get more Amos... 
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Apr 28, 2018 22:24
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I'm glad that they actually had a city get nuked. It makes the stakes very tangibly real--you can talk about losing 40% of your fleet, but watching a part of South America just disappear really hammers home that oh poo poo, there's a war going on
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:"Do you think that's funny!?" I loved her angry face when she saw the defaced logo.
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404notfound posted:I'm glad that they actually had a city get nuked. It makes the stakes very tangibly real--you can talk about losing 40% of your fleet, but watching a part of South America just disappear really hammers home that oh poo poo, there's a war going on Well, and nobody has really mentioned the fallout probably ruining the Amazon Rain Forest and all of the good that will do for Earth's ecology and atmosphere...
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Apr 29, 2018 01:23
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As if there's any rainforest left to ruin anyways on the hell-Earth with 30 billion people and like 40 feet of sea level rise.
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Apr 29, 2018 01:32
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Well, and nobody has really mentioned the fallout probably ruining the Amazon Rain Forest and all of the good that will do for Earth's ecology and atmosphere... Fallout hurts humans more than it hurts wildlife. If anything it will be a boon for the area by forcing humans to live elsewhere.
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Apr 29, 2018 01:40
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I hope they go into how the people of Earth react to it. From their perspective, Mars launched a first strike against Earth. They have no idea that the UN fired rail guns against the Mars platforms. It would be interesting to see how the secretary general or whoever tries to explain that it's not a big deal and they aren't going to retaliate by leveling Mars.
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Apr 29, 2018 01:48
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Martian losses: some weapons of mass destruction Terran losses: two million human lives and counting Even though the UN precipitated the launch in an entirely foreseeable manner, Mars still comes out looking like the bad guys.
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Apr 29, 2018 02:00
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Platystemon posted:Martian losses: some weapons of mass destruction I definitely assumed that was part of the "backup" plan. I don't think the Earth getting hit with a nuke was intentional, but it had to be a consideration and the backup plan was to use it to further justify the war against Mars.
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If its not the GenSec, Errinwright will sure as hell push for that. He also straight up threatened Anna, who I hope isn't as naiive as she seems, so she can fire back. Though I'm sure they're going to be the devil and angel on the GenSecs shoulders.
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Does anyone know anything about the human habitat on titania or is that too book centric? It's a total dead-end on the wiki, so I don't think it's got any bearing on the main storyline.
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Apr 29, 2018 08:20
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They mention at some point the stations out at Uranus and Neptune are little science bases, like Antarctic stations. Saturn is the furthest that real settlement has gone.
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Grand Fromage posted:They mention at some point the stations out at Uranus and Neptune are little science bases, like Antarctic stations. Saturn is the furthest that real settlement has gone. Yeah that's what I meant. I haven't read the book but I get the impression that they're just mentioned in passing. I was wondering about how they're portrayed. That's an awfully long way away from anything so I was wondering if they had some measure of self-sufficiency, if they were all just single adults doing research or if there were families there, stuff like that. Just more world building poo poo.
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JossiRossi posted:I definitely assumed that was part of the "backup" plan. I don't think the Earth getting hit with a nuke was intentional, but it had to be a consideration and the backup plan was to use it to further justify the war against Mars. Yeah, I don't know if the GenSec is playing on that level, but Errinwright is definitely playing by "If it goes to plan great, if it doesn't well I'll feel bad for a literal minute even if it is my fault entirely, then start planning on how to use this to get everyone even more on board with the war on Mars." Until this episode I wasn't really respecting his political savvy, but he's earning his name as "Avasarala without any morals and totally willing to kill anyone he thinks he has to." I love how Avasarala on the other side is always trying to inspire people and deal in good faith, but at the same time while she might not have ordered it I get the vibe that she's not gonna lose any sleep when she hears about things like what went down on the dropship.
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Milo and POTUS posted:Yeah that's what I meant. I haven't read the book but I get the impression that they're just mentioned in passing. I was wondering about how they're portrayed. That's an awfully long way away from anything so I was wondering if they had some measure of self-sufficiency, if they were all just single adults doing research or if there were families there, stuff like that. Just more world building poo poo. I don't believe the books ever go into the Uranus/Neptune bases other than briefly mentioning they exist. Even with Epstein drives, Neptune's quite a haul.
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I hope the last scene of this show is someone on a science station around Neptune trying to radio back to Earth and there's nothing because Earth and Mars nuked each other back to the stone age.
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Cojawfee posted:I hope the last scene of this show is someone on a science station around Neptune trying to radio back to Earth and there's nothing because Earth and Mars nuked each other back to the stone age. Isn't this a Tomb World special event in Stellaris?
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Platystemon posted:Martian losses: some weapons of mass destruction Don't forget, they lost Deimos last season, the bits of that coming down on colony domes isn't going to be a time of joy
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R-Type posted:Don't forget, they lost Deimos last season, the bits of that coming down on colony domes isn't going to be a time of joy Like, a dozen people died on Deimos and they were all MCRN. I'm not condoning the Deimos strike, but that is not comparable to dropping a nuke on a large civilian population.
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Apr 30, 2018 00:14
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I mean, Earth must come first, amirite?
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R-Type posted:Don't forget, they lost Deimos last season, the bits of that coming down on colony domes isn't going to be a time of joy Deimos' remains formed a feint ring, orbits don't work like that
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R-Type posted:Don't forget, they lost Deimos last season, the bits of that coming down on colony domes isn't going to be a time of joy It was a Martian 9/11
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I assumed that Martian nuke launch was just automated. Once it detects incoming weapons it just launches everything.
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it still blows my mind the destructive capacity Mars had over Earth with those platforms. one missile could score a hit on a city, and if Mars wanted to they could've launched all of them and turned Earth into a desolate hunk of rock I'm guessing Earth keeps Mars in check by having better or more warheads generally? it seems weird if Mars was running around with the bigger stockpile
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Apr 30, 2018 08:26
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Earth also has a massive nuclear missile stockpile. They fired a bunch at Eros and Fred Johnson hijacked some. They're mostly surface based IIRC, maybe on the moon too.
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Phi230 posted:Deimos' remains formed a feint ring, orbits don't work like that Stable orbits don't. A massive explosion imparts new velocity vectors, and all it takes is a little nudge to degrade an orbit and set it on a reentry trajectory. If it was in Earth orbit, I'd say they'd probably burn up in the atmosphere, but Mars doesn't really have much of that.
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Apr 30, 2018 08:42
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Wow the wiki says the moon's got a population of a cool billion.
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Milo and POTUS posted:Wow the wiki says the moon's got a population of a cool billion. pfft, lightweights.
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Apr 30, 2018 10:14
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For the spoiler avoiders, don't go to the wiki. There's pretty big ones just right up front.
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logikv9 posted:it still blows my mind the destructive capacity Mars had over Earth with those platforms
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Grand Fromage posted:For the spoiler avoiders, don't go to the wiki. There's pretty big ones just right up front. Well, sure. But I don't think talking the population of the moon is going to spoil anything about the actual show.
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Milo and POTUS posted:Well, sure. But I don't think talking the population of the moon is going to spoil anything about the actual show. I wasn't replying to you, just a general warning after I went there to check something out and saw what sort of stuff is on the front page.
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