Novum posted:

Throwing a dead wolf at his friends in the middle of a fight is just how you play the game

Polaron posted:

Did any of them involve WOLVES, ARISEN

Digirat posted:

Games where your outfit can ruin improve cutscenes

Digirat posted:

Games where your outfit can ruin improve cutscenes

Inzombiac posted:

Plus, if you keep doing it your helper pawn will do it too.

Nothing like your sidekick sheathing their bow so that they can run over, pick up a harpy corpse and toss it at a Chimera.

poptart_fairy posted:

In God of War your axe can be thrown, and is magically recalled with a single button press. It is difficult to convey just how much effort and polish has gone into the sound and animation on its recall.

Digirat posted:

Games where your outfit can ruin improve cutscenes

Pingiivi posted:

This is the correct thing to do.

Spalec posted:

The best thing is that the axe can hit people on the way back to you, its so satisfying to miss an enemy, call it back and have it kill him on the way back to you.

Inzombiac posted:

It's like a whole generation of people that never played Jedi Outcast.

Inzombiac posted:

It's like a whole generation of people that never played Jedi Outcast.

ImpAtom posted:

Jedi Outcast came out in 2002. If you were born that year you're getting a drivers permit now.

Deceitful Penguin posted:

Deceitful Penguin posted:

Riatsala posted:

I agree with every criticism you have but I just can't fathom anyone having fun while playing MGS. More power to you, I guess.

STALKER did do a very good job of making you feel like you were surviving by the skin of your teeth. That is a feeling sorely missing from FO4. I also liked how your power creep in Mount and Blade depended so much on careful management and strategy, or else you'd get squashed. FO4 does not reward you for avoiding dangerous situations, and it goes from survival to power fantasy almost immediately. It certainly isn't a game where I ever feel like I need to play carefully.

I think one of the best games I've played that really scratches the "be loving careful until you're better" itch is Skyrim modded with Requiem. It de-levels everything, so when you start out bandits are terrifyingly dangerous and even groups of wolves can wreck your poo poo. You learn to stalk and hide and avoid and plan and the game rewards you with powerful items and perks that open up new and distinct play styles. Eventually you can blast dragons out of the loving sky, but you have to scrounge and hide and run away a lot before you get to that point.

I'm digressing, though. Perhaps one day someone will mod FO4 in a manner that both of us will enjoy. In the meantime I think I really need to give Dying Light a try. It was sold to me as the spiritual successor to Dead Island, which I didn't enjoy for more than about an hour.

Samuringa posted:

This just reminded me how much game there is in Warband, but that's hardly a little thing. Steam says I played around 50 hours of it, and that's the point I decided I was satisfied but nowhere near doing everything I could. Join a faction and climb ranks, help it conquer the world, create your own faction and do the same, varied combat, army battles, tournaments, politics, all from a game that began as a wife and husband project.

Inzombiac posted:

gently caress I'm old

Maxwell Lord posted:

I mean what I've seen of MGSurvive, the problem is just that the hunger system is handled worse than Nethack's. It ticks down WAY too fast- it's more of a problem than the water system, which doesn't make sense since reality is the opposite (starvation can take weeks, but you die without water in a matter of days.) They seemed to fundamentally miscalculate the rate at which your "fullness" decays vs. how much food is out there.

Hel posted:

The one problem with the meter decay(food & water) is that it doesn't communicate that it's the one game that does it right. MGSurvive is like the one game that gives you a bonus for maxing out your bar, it makes it go away and drains much slower for a few minutes, but no other game does that and it doesn't tell you that mechanic so most players just play it like other games, so it look like they drain fast and constantly.

Deceitful Penguin posted:

Let's not forget it being one of the most modder friendly games ever back before that was really a thing.

Maxwell Lord posted:

I mean what I've seen of MGSurvive, the problem is just that the hunger system is handled worse than Nethack's. It ticks down WAY too fast- it's more of a problem than the water system, which doesn't make sense since reality is the opposite (starvation can take weeks, but you die without water in a matter of days.) They seemed to fundamentally miscalculate the rate at which your "fullness" decays vs. how much food is out there.

Lunchmeat Larry posted:

The early to mid 2000s were probably the golden age of modder friendly games

skooma512 posted:

Games back then seem like they were that way by accident. Now it seems like they lock it down on purpose or specifically design around modding.

Deceitful Penguin posted:

That post about Dying Light really reminded me of why I really love Metal Gear Survive and didn't like F04 and it's that in the Fallout games you're always relentlessly going forward. They're aggressive games, not that different from shooters or the hack and slash games they developed from.

This, needless to say, goes completely against the whole theme of survival, which is about defensive behavior: about retreating, about mitigating danger and about avoiding poo poo. In fact, a big reason that people didn't like MGS is that they went into it with the mindset that you'd have from a game like FO4, where you kill everything and benefit from it. (The fact that the STALKER series did the shooting and looting better almost a decade before it is just icing on the cake.)

In MGS, you've always got a limited form of the settlement creation garbage from 4, except instead of it just being there more to play Lego with trash it's an intrinsic part of the game: your choice of defensive items is shaped by your weapons and offensive items. Like hammers, axes and big weapons? You take barricades and lower defenses that aren't as secure fences but let you attack more aggressively. Poking people behind fences is possible but with the oxygen timers and weapon durability, it's usually just better to run, sneak or throw down a fence just to slow down enemies.

In much the same way, the beginning of Dying Light has you be absolutely at the mercy of your enemies. Even regular zombies can kill the poo poo out of you and your options to fight back are molotovs and the environment rather than the trash your character has. As the game progresses though, that curve finally ends up being the complete inverse; enemies level linearly while you grow stronger exponentially, meaning near the end you're god of destruction who crushes all before them.

That, is a choice certainly and a fun one in its way, but it's not really survival as such. It brings me back to STALKER and how FO4 tries for that feel and fails so terribly because at its heart it doesn't really understand why that game worked or why survival games are fun to begin with. FO4 further fails in ways that MGS doesn't in that your followers and your settlements are completely useless. They never engage in anything and are just there for your to mess with. They are your vanity projects, not something that really matters one way or another, whereas as the Main Base in MGS is the core of the whole game.

Also FO4 is terribly small scale. That's been a serious problem since loving Oblivion and it's embarrassing that the fantasy RPG genre still hasn't even come close to reaching loving Mount and Blade, which is still an amazing thing

CowboyKid posted:

It probably would fail, but a game based on The Road could work.

CowboyKid posted:

It probably would fail, but a game based on The Road could work.

Morpheus posted:

I recently watched my gf play through 999 the other week as I recommended it to her as a game with a cool story. I had only ever seen it in a screenshot LP on this forum (which subsequently got me playing the other games in the series), so I never realized how much the voice actor the main character, Junpei, absolutely nails his lines. Much of the voice acting in the game is pretty good, but his lines felt so naturally read, from when he's just counting a few things to himself or when he's swearing someone out.

Neddy Seagoon posted:

Virtue's Last Reward and Zero Time Dilemma are both also well worth playing.

Kanfy posted:

999 didn't have voice acting until the re-release anyway, so the screenshot format of that LP didn't make much of a difference.

Samuringa posted:

I played some Warframe on my Ps4 yesterday for a while and did the Vor quest, which is pretty much the introduction tutorial, and I'm sure it's MMO F2P-ness will hit me at some point but, for now, it's pretty fun.

First, that's one hell of a Power Bow and I love that you don't need to be in Fine Aim to shoot or charge it's shots. Bonus points for piercing enemies into walls, which is always a great addition. The secondary weapons are also good, and I like how they're not useless, last resort guns - or kunais, in my case.

The looting system is also great. You're a cyber ninja, you shouldn't have to stop to collect whatever was dropped, it instantly gets added to your cache. Also, you open "chests" by hitting them with your melee weapon and the devs were very smart to not make it an anti-fun mechanic so you can run around hitting everything and the enemies won't even budge, even if they're in the same room as you, as long as you're not in their sights.

Which reminds me, that even if one enemy spots you, there's no instant general alarm, someone has to reach a terminal and turn it on before there's an actual Alert. So even if you're spotted, you can take out whoever is in the general vicinity and then just carry on with your mission. And if they do turn on the Alarm, you clear the first wave and then do a simple hacking minigame to turn it off.

The only thing I don't get so far is how to effectively use my abilities; I need a significant amount of Energy to do a good combo with them, but most of the mooks are so fragile that's a waste to do anything but Pull - which is also incredibly cool.

Biplane posted:

Uh you have to be a real poopsocker to have any chance of ever getting the high end poo poo in Warframe, its a hella grindfest. Its fun when you start out but when you only have an hour here or there to play all the other elite cyberninja frames will make fun of your grody poo poo.

Biplane posted:

its a hella grindfest