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drunken officeparty posted:If Delores is the first robot ever built then what about the young-ford and family? I thought the reason those were more beep-boop made out of metal robots was because they were so old, while Delores is at least current enough that she's made of biogoo the same as new hosts are. Its been implied a few times that many hosts have all new bodies, just with the same ever increasing bundle of code carried over from decade to decade. eg If Teddy gets thrown in front of the train and smashed to pulp they print out a new body and load last weeks Teddy backup brain image in. Hosts lose whatever changes and experiences they went through in that time, but that was generally irrelevant compared to the loss of a whole personality and volume of gestures and mannerisms. Back in the older days this was more common as the older mechanical bodies had reliability issues. But with the current generation of host body they can be repaired mostly by modern medical tech. Most of the time the damage is superficial and can be repaired, and this episode the MiB showed us that the tools the tech use are just a variant of the high tech medpac heal rays that work on real people. That must cut costs down substantially rather than reworking a metal frame and plastic skin every time.
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Teddy's story about Wyatt parallels what Dolores has been/is up to right now. She might be pretty constrained to a narrative currently. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxR_WVyjly8
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May 1, 2018 02:52
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:Dolores's brain is the same, but they switched her to a bio body along with all the other old hosts still in service, some time in the last 30 years. The Ford Family bots were still mechanical because Ford maintained them in secret by himself. The implication that it is cheaper to resurrect and reconstruct human tissue/organs than to rebuild machine-parts says a lot about the technological advances this world has seen over the last 30 years...
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May 1, 2018 02:53
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i hadn’t thought about how the park runners would shape narratives so white hats and black hats wouldn’t intersect - makes sense. does make me yearn for something like multiplayer new Vegas where players can be on different tracks of a same quest and come into conflict.
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May 1, 2018 02:58
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Groovelord Neato posted:i hadn’t thought about how the park runners would shape narratives so white hats and black hats wouldn’t intersect - makes sense. In Westworld that would crash the fantasy, best to have guests never see anyone who isn't from their party. Also, look at how ~game-breaking~ it was to have two humans in one place: pretty much every time we see it someone's immersion (usually MiB because he is an insufferable neckbeard) is ruined...
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May 1, 2018 03:22
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Creeper question: When Black hat was talking to Delores back in the past, during the last scene with the Bagder 288s. When he told her to come back online it was night, and was she naked? Her shoulders and neckline look different than the cocktail dress she wore during the party. Was ole Jimmy Simpson using her as a fleshlight for nigh 30 years?
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May 1, 2018 03:44
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She was naked.
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May 1, 2018 03:52
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She was in the diagnostic bay or whatever. They are always naked in there.
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May 1, 2018 03:53
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Diagnostic bay, patrons bedroom, is there a difference?
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She was naked but they shot it differently so that Evan Rachel (is that her first name?) wasn't so exposed.
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:In Westworld that would crash the fantasy, best to have guests never see anyone who isn't from their party. Also, look at how ~game-breaking~ it was to have two humans in one place: pretty much every time we see it someone's immersion (usually MiB because he is an insufferable neckbeard) is ruined... Dovetails well with how every other host in Sweetwater was there to gank a guest and lead them off on an adventure. Most likely taking them secluded area of the park so as to not have too much interference get introduced to the on-rails narrative. And now we have Dolores dragging around nameless livestock tech, Maeve keeping Sizemore on a leash, Bernard paired off with Charlotte, and Lawrence wondering when MIB is going to say something that makes sense.
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May 1, 2018 04:35
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Lmao if they're going to dox the planet, I guess they never had President Donald Trump in this universe.
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Some really great scenes this episode: Delos Jr. losing his poo poo over the super-authentic hosts, Dolores and Maeve crossing paths briefly, and pretty much every part with Lawrence. The subtle way his character is written and acted just really does it for me. Enjoying this season a lot so far. I'm glad they kicked last season's formula and are going all over the place a bit.
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May 1, 2018 06:07
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i can't ever seem to get tired of ed harris speedrunning an larp of red dead redemption
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Kinda surprised no one mentioned it was all but confirmed during the retirement scene, that human-to-host mind transfers had been part of the plan from the moment Delos became involved.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Yeah in S1 some guys are going nuts im a family area and they jam their guns and have them tossed in jail, then have a host sneak them a key in their breakfast or something Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Yeah, a lot of what the park control room did was keep guests from running into each other or narratives from colliding. Naturally it was the MiB, so he gets whatever he wants because he has a premium subscription.
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El Jeffe posted:Because the lady was just from some stock photo, as the article says. Ashrik posted:How was this all but confirmed?
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Ashrik posted:How was this all but confirmed? Old man is retiring because he's dying. Something mentioned about having patience. Either a cure is on the way, or mind transfer.
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santanotreal posted:Abernathy is old man Delos I agree. Remember how he blue-screened when looking at the picture from the outside world. The picture of what happens to be his RL daughter. Seems to fit in also with the theme of WW being a form of purgatory, or even hell. Considering the speculation of consciousness transfer, Delos transferring consciousnesses to hosts, using them like the base BIOS and loading their preferred characters on top of it, kind of like Dollhouse people would be a form of punishment and hell for the people that they believed deserved it most. Sick. R-Type fucked around with this message at 07:15 on May 1, 2018 |
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Yeah, but who'd have known that other than someone obsessively studying behind the scenes stuff for the show? To realize that she's from a stock photo requires digging much deeper into stuff that this thread hasn't really cared much about, as it doesn't explain how the guns work in the four time lines. Yeah but that was 30 years ago to the present timeline. He could have had the last disease that wasnt eliminated, like how the vaccine for polio or small pox fixed that problem (in 1st world nations). Didnt we just get a cure for HEP C in the last 20 years or so?
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Astro7x posted:I always assumed that the hosts are programmed to react to bullets/injuries in a realistic way, and that they can easily be programmed to ignore them. Like if a host gets shot and bleeds, that's there programming essentially telling it to gush blood from the bullet hole. Didn’t Ford say in S1 that the new biological hosts are basically indistinguishable from humans biologically, other than the brain? That’s why those healing gun rays work on both humans and hosts because the bodies are literally the same, just one is lab grown. So the logical thing is that the hosts aren’t programmed to bleed: the bodies themselves bleed. But in the last episode we saw that dead hosts can just be turned on again and presumably have the part of their brain that reacts to pain turned off.
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Gaj posted:Yeah but that was 30 years ago to the present timeline. He could have had the last disease that wasnt eliminated, like how the vaccine for polio or small pox fixed that problem (in 1st world nations). Didnt we just get a cure for HEP C in the last 20 years or so?
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:In Westworld that would crash the fantasy, best to have guests never see anyone who isn't from their party. Also, look at how ~game-breaking~ it was to have two humans in one place: pretty much every time we see it someone's immersion (usually MiB because he is an insufferable neckbeard) is ruined... Guest: *jumps onto bar and crouches* Sex on the Beach m’lady *tries to wink but blinks and farts* In the background all guests are jumping constantly. One is sprinting into a wall.
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SLOSifl posted:Host bartender: What’ll it be? "WTB LEMAT 1861"
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Not a huge fan of all the cheesy catch phrases. Also, the show seems pretty directionless right now. I'm gonna give the writers the benefit of the doubt for now due to season 1, but please don't gently caress this up. Also, I have zero idea what is going on with the plot anymore. No idea who is sentient, who is fake-sentient, who is secretly sentient, who is secretly fake-sentient, who is Fordcient, who is a Delos-secret-agent-fake-sentient, etc. Is anyone in that show actually sentient?
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:. Seems like the writers are doing their job well in that case. (I’m in the same boat - I’ll let you decide where to paddle)
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Can you imagine how terrible griefing would be in Westworld? Though guess maybe not too bad, since you could just beat the poo poo out of the person.
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:Not a huge fan of all the cheesy catch phrases. Also, the show seems pretty directionless right now. I'm gonna give the writers the benefit of the doubt for now due to season 1, but please don't gently caress this up. It's a lot easier to watch if you don't try and stay a step ahead of the plot honestly. Just assume everyone who we're supposed to think is self-aware and sentient, (the humans, Dolores, Maeve, Angela, Teddy and Bernard) are actually sentient. The other hosts seem sentient, but not self-aware of the fact.
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aBagorn posted:Seems like the writers are doing their job well in that case. I don't think it's the good kind of confusion though and I suspect that the writers themselves have not settled on what exactly sentience is supposed to be in the Westworld universe. Like, we are shown ol' Dolores repeating preprogrammed phrases in the flashbacks and Arnold being reminded that she is still not there yet and be all sad about it. Then, a couple of scenes later we get modern day Maeve and Dolores do exactly the same thing. I'm not sure how the very first version of Dolores is different from the current one. The first one was able to improvise just as well. There is zero information for the viewer on what exactly the maze accomplished or how they have changed. IMO, the better way to do this would have been to leave out all the hints that Maeve and Dolores are just playing out a different narrative till closer to the big reveal/plot twist. IRC Maeve being on a secret narrative was revealed early in season 1, Dolores in the final. That's too soon. I just don't feel invested in the plot right now because I have no idea what the plot is and we have been told that the two main protagonist are not reliable or trustworthy.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:It's a lot easier to watch if you don't try and stay a step ahead of the plot honestly. Just assume everyone who we're supposed to think is self-aware and sentient, (the humans, Dolores, Maeve, Angela, Teddy and Bernard) are actually sentient. The other hosts seem sentient, but not self-aware of the fact. Yeah, I'm gonna do that. This is a tits& dragon show for me now till they prove otherwise. Just gonna enjoy it.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Didn’t Ford say in S1 that the new biological hosts are basically indistinguishable from humans biologically, other than the brain? That’s why those healing gun rays work on both humans and hosts because the bodies are literally the same, just one is lab grown. So the logical thing is that the hosts aren’t programmed to bleed: the bodies themselves bleed. But in the last episode we saw that dead hosts can just be turned on again and presumably have the part of their brain that reacts to pain turned off. Yes, at this point, they're biological humans with a computer brain. We saw in S1, when Maeve screwed with her sidekicks to use to get outside, that she could fudge with their pain responses so they could keep fighting through what would ordinarily stop a normal person.
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:I don't think it's the good kind of confusion though and I suspect that the writers themselves have not settled on what exactly sentience is supposed to be in the Westworld universe. The first season lays it out. Arnold thinks Dolores is gaining consciousness and wants to shut down the park because of it. Ford thinks that consciousness comes from great pain, and remembering and acting on that pain, and puts the hosts in hell for decades to build up enough pain for them. The maze is basically Jung. It is an exploration of self that leads to actualization. Arnold initially had it set as a pyramid, but that didn't quite work because doing those things in a row didn't always lead to the end result (why the robots have different reactions to different triggers). Dolores reached it first, Maeve did in her own way as well, jury is kind of in the air on Bernard, as he still seems to be in a kind of "flipping out"/confusion stage. There is a chance Ford could be wrong and there is another step, but we'll find out later on if that's correct. Sentience isn't really the right word to use as it's too precise. The second any of them are "woke," and realize they exist, they're sentient. Dogs and pigs are sentient.
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I really liked Ep 2 The encounter of Maeve and Dolores I think really shows how different their "awakeness" is. While they both know what they are now, Maeve seems more truly free: she wants her daughter because she is real for her, and that's it. Dolores still seems to be following a script, now of this grand robot-rebellion and revenge And Im just loving how much fun William is having now that the game is for real. And Lawerence is so great, Im glad his back and once again traveling with MiB
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the trick Ford is missing is that Arnold thought that Dölores was capable of gaining consciousness before Ford locked her and the other hosts into endless cycles of violence and trauma. So while Ford is certain that torture is necessary for the hosts to become self-aware, there might have been alternate paths that were left unexplored, and a different AI would have been born. Arguably Bernard is walking that path, given that he wasn't locked in the violence simulator for forever.
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Bernard was still stuck with a certain amount of forced pain due to being forced to kill the woman he loved and having an implanted son death, so he's not entirely free from that either.
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:
also, we're two episodes in. The show should be making us ask questions at this stage, because if all the mystery is dispelled in the first two eps then what's even the point
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Elias_Maluco posted:I really liked Ep 2 I kinda got the feeling that Maeve may have even done her 'command protocol language' on Dolores to get her to allow them to pass unmolested. Anyone else get that impression?
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Here's my wacky theory: Delos' real goal all along was mind transfer to robot bodies so they could be immortal. The weapon is the production facility. It's a weapon because they never got it to work. Human brains can't be transferred to host hardware. It's a destructive process, and while the person that comes out the other end might be indistinguishable from the outside, from the inside... Well, who knows. All the hosts have to do is drop a line to the outside world, say "hey guys, who wants to live forever?", and watch as the world's elites line up to be lobotomized and replaced.
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santanotreal posted:Abernathy is old man Delos More like a clone, but does Abernathy have Jim's memories stored deep down? "That's been the great gift of this place, hasn't it? Of our little project? To know ourselves and the people around us." Charlotte Hale William showed Deloras, and by extension Ford, a dig site. Unless they are deliberately trying to misdirect us they probably are, this is Glory, the weapon, where this seasons big secret is. Ford knew what has been going on for a very long time, 30 years or so. Perhaps he used the technology there to create Bernard, who is a very accurate copy of Arnold. If Logan is dead in the show's present, and Ford (or even William, he didn't like him much) has cloned him, who would he be? Hector? The new Prospector for lols? Sorry for the  Just a little bit more!I think Maeve is the Host who was supposed to take the data out of the park originally, that the chaos in the control center was orchestrated by Hale, but Ford used Maeve's Cornerstone to divert her. That Journey into Night, is what we are watching and that it is entirely for the benefit (torment?) of William, and that none of the hosts are acting outside of this narrative. I expect there to be a lot more references to Prometheus.
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