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Has anyone tried a Soul Blade/Devoted? I'm toying with trying it as my first character. Note: I play on Hard, not PoTD because I'm a giant baby who hates losing.
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Oh boy, Monk/Cipher here I come. Been playing PoE as a monk and enjoying it even though I'm incredibly fragile. Threw Ender's second chance armor on to give a little more survivability, and it's working pretty well. Dying bumps you to 10 wounds, which is nice if a little... Grim.
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May 6, 2018 14:49
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Probably going for a paladin/cipher. Do you still have to minmax your mechanics to find all hidden treasures/open every lock in Deadfire?
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May 6, 2018 14:51
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Milky Moor posted:How's the writing in PoE2? PoE's merciless mountains of exposition and worldbuilding history got grating barely an hour or two into the game. I was much more a fan of Tyranny. Any indication as to how PoE2 is turning out? I'm trying to make the most of the multiclass system so any advice in general is appreciated. Definitely going to go paladin/chanter on pallegina. Eder might work as an unbroken/Streetfighter. I'm not sure about xoti as priest/monk, might be a bit squishy?
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May 6, 2018 14:52
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Avalerion posted:You start at level one and get to re-pick everything. Should put that in the OP - or maybe even the thread title. So nothing except story stuff really transfers? Good to know.
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May 6, 2018 14:55
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adamarama posted:Im gonna make my PC a rogue/cipher. I'm gonna go with beguiler but what rogue subclass works best? Stealth seems poor so assassin is out. And the trickster downside seems too much. Street fighter seems ok? Am I missing anything? Street Fighter is the worst of the bunch for beguilers. I tried assassin/beguiler in the beta and it was very strong, one of the strongest builds I tried. The Assassinate bonus gives you (among other things) +25 accuracy, and it can apply to non-weapon abilities including Cipher deception powers. If you do decide to go with an assassin/cipher (or any other spellcaster) multiclass, then keep in mind that you need very high Dex and Int (around 18 in both) in order finish casting spells before the invisibility from Smoke Veil runs out.
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May 6, 2018 14:58
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Dog Kisser posted:Oh boy, Monk/Cipher here I come. Been playing PoE as a monk and enjoying it even though I'm incredibly fragile. Threw Ender's second chance armor on to give a little more survivability, and it's working pretty well. Dying bumps you to 10 wounds, which is nice if a little... Grim. If you're playing a Monk, it's generally advisable to wear full plate.
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May 6, 2018 15:11
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One thing I really wish I knew for Deadfire is what consistutes a high stat. You could put all 20 of your points on your MC into, say Metaphysics, but it's unclear whether there'd ever be a check that high, so you'd be at risk of completely wasting them. Of course, at the other end, if you spread them around, you run the risk of being unable to pass any checks in the latter half of the game, if they've balanced on the assumption people will have specialised...frajaq posted:I'm reading some of the abilities from Cohh's stream and... I think with the upgrades, whichever one you upgrade becomes significantly better than the PoE1 version, but the other one is weaker, yeah. CottonWolf fucked around with this message at 15:19 on May 6, 2018 |
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May 6, 2018 15:14
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CottonWolf posted:One thing I really wish I knew for Deadfire is what consistutes a high stat. You could put all 20 of your points on your MC into, say Metaphysics, but it's unclear whether there'd ever be a check that high, so you'd be at risk of completely wasting them. Of course, at the other end, if you spread them around, you run the risk of being unable to pass any checks in the latter half of the game, if they've balanced on the assumption people will have specialised... At least from the beta files, 19 perception was the highest per you needed to spot all traps in the game. Also, everything is capped at 35 now max possible with buffs.
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May 6, 2018 15:24
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:At least from the beta files, 19 perception was the highest per you needed to spot all traps in the game. Also, everything is capped at 35 now max possible with buffs. Oh, I meant the passive skills, bad wording on my part.
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May 6, 2018 15:25
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I really like the sound design or whatever you call it in this game.
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May 6, 2018 15:29
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CottonWolf posted:Oh, I meant the passive skills, bad wording on my part. ok, more detail then, based on beta info: (bit of a repost for thread regulars): From some data mining of the beta code that people did upthread (apparently max trap perception and max trap mechanics are moddable values) the max perception you apparently need to catch all traps is 19. the max Mechanics you need to disarm the best trap appears to be 12. The max lore skill you need to read all scrolls in the beta is 15. There don't appear to be any skill-locked potions or explosives, just scrolls and traps. The "party assist" thresholds (i.e., the minimum number of points you need in the rest of the party to get an additional bonus point in your own skill check) are 4, 7, 11, 16, and 22 for , +2, +3, +4, +5, and +6 respectively. Note that that's total points in the rest of the party, not total points in the whole party -- the person making the check doesn't count to that total. Party assist only counts for in-dialogue or in-text-minigame checks, not for in-combat or other performance checks. You can pretty easily make sure someone in the party covers all the active skills, because there are only seven of them, but the passives are a little harder to get complete coverage. Some of them have some synergies too -- for example sleight of hand guy probably also wants some stealth, for reverse pickpocketing. Also, unless it changes with a patch, Alchemy is *extremely* strong at high levels.
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May 6, 2018 15:34
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:ok, more detail then, based on beta info: (bit of a repost for thread regulars): Cheers!
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May 6, 2018 15:36
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Eraflure posted:Do you still have to minmax your mechanics to find all hidden treasures/open every lock in Deadfire? CottonWolf posted:I think with the upgrades, whichever one you upgrade becomes significantly better than the PoE1 version, but the other one is weaker, yeah.
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May 6, 2018 15:37
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TEENAGE WITCH posted:
You can tell this was written by the same person as Grieving Mother's dialogue because it is long and boring and I won't read it.
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May 6, 2018 15:49
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Think I'm going to have to go pure cipher and be sub-optimal after all. Helwalker does seem like a neat multiclass but it looks to me like many of these vaunted crit synergies are only going to kick in in the level 16-20 range. I've always hated building characters to be able to finally Be The Best right at the end of the game, and I'm not sure swift flurries is enough to put up with severely delaying most of your cool cipher powers until then.
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May 6, 2018 15:52
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willing to settle posted:Think I'm going to have to go pure cipher and be sub-optimal after all. Helwalker does seem like a neat multiclass but it looks to me like many of these vaunted crit synergies are only going to kick in in the level 16-20 range. I've always hated building characters to be able to finally Be The Best right at the end of the game, and I'm not sure swift flurries is enough to put up with severely delaying most of your cool cipher powers until then. There's also a sorta weird thing going on right now where guns, on crits, do less damage than they do on normal hits, because the "blunted criticals" effect reduces crit damage by more than the base crit bonus increases it ( they're the same numerical value, .25, but [ (1 X 1.25) X .75 = .93, not 1], so gun criticals end up doing 7% less damage than normal hits). So I'm not sure how valid a gun-based, crit-build cipher is going to be, unless that's something they fix in an early patch.
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May 6, 2018 16:04
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I’m ridiculously excited for this. I haven’t really had time to play games in a few months and I’ll probably only be able to scrape together a few hours a week to play this one hundred hour game.  But I’m still super pumped.I’m totally the multiclass type of player. I like to play characters that deal with things with a huge bag of tricks and have just the right move for every situation, even if they aren’t overtly the most powerful. My favorite classes in the bg games are fighter/mage and fighter/mage/thief. But I’m not sure I’m that into multiclassing in this, at least at first. It seems like single class is actually going to end up more versatile than multi in a number of cases, while multiclasses are going to double down on a synergy. Since I’m probably going to play this game 8,000 times, I’ll likely end up going for a bunch of different things, but what I’m most interested in is: Pure monk (crit build with a spear) pure wizard (melee) chanter/paladin chanter/rogue (riposte skald) cipher/monk rogue/priest (I.33 sword and buckler Walpurga cosplay) etc. holy poo poo I’m going to have the worst restartitis ever with this aren’t I
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May 6, 2018 16:10
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:There's also a sorta weird thing going on right now where guns, on crits, do less damage than they do on normal hits, because the "blunted criticals" effect reduces crit damage by more than the base crit bonus increases it ( they're the same numerical value, .25, but [ (1 X 1.25) X .75 = .93, not 1], so gun criticals end up doing 7% less damage than normal hits). So I'm not sure how valid a gun-based, crit-build cipher is going to be, unless that's something they fix in an early patch. So what you're saying is I should use an arbalest (and maybe a war bow after the alpha strike) for my ranger/rogue build? 
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May 6, 2018 16:12
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Walrus Pete posted:So what you're saying is I should use an arbalest (and maybe a war bow after the alpha strike) for my ranger/rogue build? Arbalests also have blunted criticals.
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May 6, 2018 16:16
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Octo1 posted:Arbalests also have blunted criticals.
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May 6, 2018 16:17
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So, there watching Cohh and then a streamer that used a preset world state, it appears there may be some bugs with importing saves. Is this a known issue, rope kid? First thing I noticed is, as I mentioned before, that Eder joined the Night Market instead of becoming mayor of Dyrford in Cohh's game. And then (reactivity spoiler for Deadfire) a streamer had the orlan child on her ship while using a preset world state, but Cohh did not. Even though he imported a save where he kept the baby while leaving Sun-in-Shadow.
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Speaking of pistols, how do they work when paired with a melee weapon? Do you only use the sword when you're in melee range? Do you still benefit from 2h weapon style bonuses?
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May 6, 2018 16:23
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:ok, more detail then, based on beta info: (bit of a repost for thread regulars): What I'm curious about is if they specify maximum values (and, presumably, minimum values) with the expectation that trap/hidden stuff difficulty scales with level, like combat encounters are supposed to if you turn on the option- and whether this also applies to skill checks in dialogue as well. Level scaling options are still in, right?
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May 6, 2018 16:25
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Why do guns and whatnot even have blunted criticals? They already have an accuracy penalty to account for the veil piercing (which doesn't end up being that great of an attribute anyway) and they all require reloading. Like even from a flavor perspective, I imagine getting shot in the head with a gun isn't any less painful than getting shot with an arrow?
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May 6, 2018 16:30
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Significantly easier to sit through due to full VA for dialogue. I’ll never play another RPG unless it has full VA
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May 6, 2018 16:32
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GrandpaPants posted:Why do guns and whatnot even have blunted criticals? They already have an accuracy penalty to account for the veil piercing (which doesn't end up being that great of an attribute anyway) and they all require reloading. Like even from a flavor perspective, I imagine getting shot in the head with a gun isn't any less painful than getting shot with an arrow? I could be wrong but I believe the idea is thst in the first game they didnt want people stacking bonuses on things with very high single shot base damage and oneshotting enemies.
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May 6, 2018 16:33
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:There's also a sorta weird thing going on right now where guns, on crits, do less damage than they do on normal hits, because the "blunted criticals" effect reduces crit damage by more than the base crit bonus increases it ( they're the same numerical value, .25, but [ (1 X 1.25) X .75 = .93, not 1], so gun criticals end up doing 7% less damage than normal hits). So I'm not sure how valid a gun-based, crit-build cipher is going to be, unless that's something they fix in an early patch. Hmm, well that sucks. These values are relatively easy to change through xml modding though right? And the "intended" effect is for guns to do the same damage on crits as hits?
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May 6, 2018 16:37
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Eraflure posted:Speaking of pistols, how do they work when paired with a melee weapon? Do you only use the sword when you're in melee range? Do you still benefit from 2h weapon style bonuses? iirc you get the dual wielding speed bonuses, but only use the sword in melee (or the pistol at range, duh) and for some reason always reload the pistol before striking? So, if you pop off a shot then close to melee you still have to reload before you swing the sword. Also I don't think you use both weapons for full attack actions, not sure though
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May 6, 2018 16:37
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Heithinn Grasida posted:I’m totally the multiclass type of player. I like to play characters that deal with things with a huge bag of tricks and have just the right move for every situation, even if they aren’t overtly the most powerful. You get one ability point per level, two if you reach a new Power Level. That isn't a lot for any character and means only the formerly Vancian caster classes really end up with a broad array of active abilities because they get a free spell per power level or have access to Grimoires. And even they still have spell slots sorted by Power Level (instead of using a shared resource pool for everything like the other classes). The Rogue's Trickster subclass also gets an extra active ability per Power Level (and is fun although not very powerful) but that's it iirc. A multiclass character has to spread those ability points between at least two class resources. More if you're playing a multiclassed Monk (needs abilities using both Wounds and Mortification) or Chanter (needs Phrases and Invocations). So they naturally end up with less abilities for each of their resource pools, meaning they get to make less choices about how to spend them. You also generally want to upgrade abilities you've picked, so I don't really expect things to open up all that much later in the game.
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May 6, 2018 16:37
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En Garde Motherfuckers posted:iirc you get the dual wielding speed bonuses, but only use the sword in melee (or the pistol at range, duh) and for some reason always reload the pistol before striking? So, if you pop off a shot then close to melee you still have to reload before you swing the sword. Also I don't think you use both weapons for full attack actions, not sure though That actually sounds decent. Pistol and sword it is then! drat I'm so stoked for this game 
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May 6, 2018 16:44
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willing to settle posted:Hmm, well that sucks. These values are relatively easy to change through xml modding though right? And the "intended" effect is for guns to do the same damage on crits as hits? I think? Though the actual damage formula is more complex because just about everything (except I think Might) uses additive multipliers (ie., 25%+25% =50%, not 1.25*1.25) so the above is a simplification of the problem.
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May 6, 2018 16:45
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Can't wait to play as a cutthroat pirate. In my first play through I will plunder the seas. No ship will be safe from my corsairs.
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May 6, 2018 16:46
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Has there been anything concrete about how the Scavenger Hunt thingy will be integrated with GOG? I'm happy to still throw a pre-order in Obsidian's direction, despite not having time to play the game for another couple of months or so, but I don't want to feel like I've missed out on something when I do.
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May 6, 2018 16:53
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Captain Oblivious posted:If you're playing a Monk, it's generally advisable to wear full plate. Plate feels like it'd be terrible on monks unless you're going full on straight tank for them. It slows them down a bunch which gets rid of a good strength and means you get less wounds which means less punch powers.
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May 6, 2018 16:58
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I like medium armor on monks, usually.
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May 6, 2018 16:59
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En Garde Motherfuckers posted:iirc you get the dual wielding speed bonuses, but only use the sword in melee (or the pistol at range, duh) and for some reason always reload the pistol before striking? So, if you pop off a shot then close to melee you still have to reload before you swing the sword. Also I don't think you use both weapons for full attack actions, not sure though I just tried this last night, and it seems that in melee you exclusively use the sword, without reloading the pistol. And no, you don't use both for full attack actions. But I also couldn't get my rogue to consistently use the ranged weapon first instead of just closing for melee.
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May 6, 2018 16:59
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Does the build info we have so far make it seem like a fighter/cipher hybrid is viable, at least below PoTD? The aesthetics of a Blackjacket dumping pistols into the enemy before flinging spells off and running in with a sword is appealing, but I'm not good enough at reading the figures to determine if it's a viable build (or eben what cipher sub-class would pair best).
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Quick glance through the new thread makes it look that I am not the only person who is multiclassing Cipher. Are there any serious downsides to Cipher/Darcozzi as beefier frontline PC?
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