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KungFu Grip posted:Strong BJ being so high up on the list is kind of surprising. I have no idea what team this is, and am afraid to Google.
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SatoshiMiwa posted:The Hart Foundation was an extremely okay to somewhat good team that stood out in WWE tags at the time cause after the Bulldogs they were the next best tag team. WWF Tag teams were way behind the NWA in pretty much every way If you want to know why The Hart Foundation didn't rank check how many points the Rock N Roll Express got. It's not like that was unfair either.
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Evil Badman posted:I have no idea what team this is, and am afraid to Google. its two stocky and powerful japanese guys that wrestle in japanese indies and AJPW
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Feels like The Kings of Wrestling are under-rated in that poll. They were so much fun with so many obnoxious double team moves.
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KoW were the proto bucks, hell Chris Hero's gimmick forever was a parody of an indie wrestler.
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BEST NON-WRESTLER "Manager of the Year" only existed between 1983-96, so I'm not counting the votes from there (Cornette ran away with it, for the record). Best Non-Wrestler was created in 1999 as sort of a continuation, only this time incorporating managers, valets, authority figures, interviewers, and any other character who doesn't necessarily wrestle full-time. There's also a lot of wrestlers on this list who got votes for GM runs and like half of them went back to wrestling, which kinda defeats the purpose of "non-wrestling character," but whatever.  COMPLETE YEAR-BY-YEAR RESULTS https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fEAXJBVFgrUFQAZ8l6nUy9aMIT0gli54ElPLfx0W2Iw/edit?usp=sharingcode:-- For the first half of this list it looked like Vince would run the table, but he fell to third place after reducing his TV role. So it's Heyman and Cornette on top instead. -- Vickie Guerrero got more mileage out of two words than probably anyone in modern WWE history. -- Remember when Alberto Del Rio was interesting? Probably not, but in case you do, you have Ricardo to thank for that. -- This might be a stretch, but I doubt Lucha Underground gets more than one season without El Jefe being the best character by a country mile. Even in the show's weak later seasons, he was still popular enough to get votes. So of course they killed him off for ... reasons  -- Who the gently caress are these people that voted for Heel Michael Cole, show yourselves and beg for mercy. -- I wouldn't be surprised if Spud shows up again as Drake Maverick on this year's voting. -- Man, people really liked that one time K-Fed beat up John Cena. Up next: Best Television Announcer Finally, it's Matt Striker's time to shine!
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May 8, 2018 01:28
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I guess when Paul Bearer was at his peak this was a pretty competitive field, right? 3 points seems awfully low
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Funkchop posted:I guess when Paul Bearer was at his peak this was a pretty competitive field, right? 3 points seems awfully low He got "Worst Manager" votes back when that was a thing so ... you might be disappointed either way.
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May 8, 2018 02:00
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Nidia? Seriously? I'm also surprised that K-Fed got a vote out of his little story with Cena.
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May 8, 2018 03:17
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Nidia and Jamie Noble were a fun little trailer trash act.
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I know, it just register as anything outstanding enough to end up on an award ballot.
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Gaz-L posted:Nidia and Jamie Noble were a fun little trailer trash act. Also had a theme that gets stuck in my head all the time https://youtu.be/BSmIRZ_ORtc
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Benne posted:-- Who the gently caress are these people that voted for Heel Michael Cole, show yourselves and beg for mercy. Heel Michael Cole got nuclear heat, and we'd remember it more fondly had they let King go over him clean as a whistle at Mania. So of course they screwed it up.
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D.N. Nation posted:Heel Michael Cole got nuclear heat, and we'd remember it more fondly had they let King go over him clean as a whistle at Mania. So of course they screwed it up. It truly was the easiest booking ever. Booking 101. And they botched it. It’s one reason why I never ever ever give them the benefit of the doubt.
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May 8, 2018 16:00
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How exactly was Vince McMahon a "Non-Wrestler" in 1999 when he main-evented multiple PPVs, won the Royal Rumble, and even WON THE WWF TITLE.
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because he wasnt a wrestler
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Vince had as many TV/PPV matches in 1999 as Brock Lesnar has had since 2015. He main evented 4 PPVs that year.
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May 9, 2018 05:02
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Managers always have a few matches here and there, that's kind of the point of a manager. It doesn't make them a wrestler. It's weird when the category is BEST NON WRESTLER, but it's pretty clear he has a non wrestling role, he's good in it and his matches are more to further storylines than because he is a full time wrestler. Plus his singles matches in PPV main events flopped proving he is BEST as a NON WRESTLER!
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I know I'm late for the tag team discussion but the Motor City Machine Guns and Beer Money are my fondest memories of the first time I got into wrestling. They had a series of matches for the titles that were just fab.
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spamman posted:I know I'm late for the tag team discussion but the Motor City Machine Guns and Beer Money are my fondest memories of the first time I got into wrestling. They had a series of matches for the titles that were just fab. Probably because they actually felt like tag teams that did tag team things and seemed more than just this guy and this guy thrown together. Yeah, I know Beer Money were exactly that because they were of heel alignment, but they actually made it work incredibly well.
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We're back! Let's get straight to it. BEST TV ANNOUNCER Wrestling announcer is probably one of the most important jobs in the business. Not only are you tasked with calling the action and getting storylines over, you serve as the viewers' trusted guide, providing an air of credibility to an often ridiculous faux-sport. The ones who do this well are revered legends who connect generations together. The ones who don't ... well, we'll get to that later. COMPLETE YEAR-BY-YEAR RESULTS https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1x1PTkpoLkAtam-Qx8Gd5eRlpuyMDJqvhUzWnHG_hyCA/edit?usp=sharingcode:-- JR laps the field in by far the biggest landslide of this project so far. He's another guy who has longevity going for him, working more or less nonstop for over 30 years. Even his divisive New Japan run still got votes, albeit probably more for reputation than anything. Either way, Good Ol' JR became beloved for a reason. -- This is another category where wrestling and MMA are combined, and God, I really wish I knew what UFC fans see in Rogan. -- Much of ECW has aged like a jar of mayo left out in the sun, and Joey Styles is no exception. His brief indie work after leaving WWE really exposed how dated his style had become. I'm just glad he didn't finish above Lance Russell here. -- I really like Nogami, but I also want to see the Venn diagram between "people who vote for New Japan announcers" and " people who actually know Japanese." -- People still watching WCW in 2000 must've been deep down the Stockholm Syndrome rabbit hole. That's the only explanation I have for why Mark Madden showed up here. -- If you're wondering "hey where the hell is Gorilla," not gonna spoil anything but ... buddy, I have some bad news about WON voters' opinions of Gorilla Monsoon back in the day. Up next: Worst TV announcer THERE'S NO THIGH SLAPPING HERE
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Not shocked Gorilla isn't on here cause while he was the best WWF announcer with Bobby he was the worst with anyone else. Gordon Solie seems low but than his peak was before the WOR awards
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SatoshiMiwa posted:Not shocked Gorilla isn't on here cause while he was the best WWF announcer with Bobby he was the worst with anyone else. Solie was frequently lampooned as a drunk in mid/late-1980s Observers.
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May 19, 2018 23:58
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SatoshiMiwa posted:Not shocked Gorilla isn't on here cause while he was the best WWF announcer with Bobby he was the worst with anyone else. He was great with Ventura and even OK with Lord Alfred Hayes a good bit of the time. But the votes for Mark Madden alone are justification for burning the WON awards to the ground for this category.
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Why is Heenan so low? I know the majority of his WCW run was total dogshit but he was anywhere from okay to amazing for almost 10 years before that, right? Right???
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Funkchop posted:Why is Heenan so low? I know the majority of his WCW run was total dogshit but he was anywhere from okay to amazing for almost 10 years before that, right? Right??? Announcer =/= Color Commentator
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CM Punk did play-by-play during the walkout/strike angle, commentary for the rest of his time behind the table (including that “season” of NXT). Am I remembering that right?
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Wise Fwom Yo Gwave posted:CM Punk did play-by-play during the walkout/strike angle, commentary for the rest of his time behind the table (including that “season” of NXT). Am I remembering that right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjBV2YZP5sc
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quote:-- This is another category where wrestling and MMA are combined, and God, I really wish I knew what UFC fans see in Rogan. He’s legitimately excited about the sport and knowledgeable/personally involved and great at martial arts. He exaggerates a little on the mic when it comes to if a submission is in or not for suspense and he can be grating for some people but he’s really consistent
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Aesop Poprock posted:He’s legitimately excited about the sport and knowledgeable/personally involved and great at martial arts. He exaggerates a little on the mic when it comes to if a submission is in or not for suspense and he can be grating for some people but he’s really consistent He's knowledgeable about some parts of martial arts but he's really bad at knowing when submissions are "in deep". Also he introduced a lot of awful Eddie Bravo names for jiu jitsu holds to a wider audience.
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Mike Tenay gets more votes than Lance Russell
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Dave Brown deserves more love.
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I'm legitimately glad to see Corey Graves is already getting votes. He's the best thing WWE has going for it right now.
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Holy poo poo how did I miss this thread, this is awesome stuff Benne. Has anyone tried to do some math and determine what point in time Okada is likely to overtake Kobashi for #2 (assuming current pace)? I would think #1 is feasible and #2 should be within a few years?
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forkboy84 posted:He's knowledgeable about some parts of martial arts but he's really bad at knowing when submissions are "in deep". Also he introduced a lot of awful Eddie Bravo names for jiu jitsu holds to a wider audience. It might also be a crossover thing from fans of his podcast. In any case, with the UFC using actual fighters as commentators, Rogan seems irrelevant. Didn't he flirt with the idea of walking away from the UFC for a bit?
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Just catching up with this. -Great to see Dragon Kid in the top 5 high-flyers. In his prime he was utterly jaw-dropping, and he's barely slowed down at 42. -lol at Van Hammer being on the "overrated" list. I didn't realize he was ever rated in the first place. And Ludvig Borga? Snitsky!? These have to be troll votes. -People liked Al Snow because of ECW cred. He had one good match with Benoit in '95 and coasted on ECW's cult following hype for years after. -Michael Cole being above Jesse Ventura for announcer is a goddamn travesty. And why is Okerlund rated so low?
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sigmachiev posted:Holy poo poo how did I miss this thread, this is awesome stuff Benne. Very interesting question. For a quick refresher, I'm just doing a simple reverse-points system with 10 points for first place, 9 points for second, 8 for third, and so on. So here's the top of the WOTY list right now: code:Best-case scenario, Okada wins three more times and then challenges Kobashi for No. 2 in the fourth year. That's an extremely tall challenge -- Flair is the only one who's won WOTY four straight years, and nobody's touching him anytime soon. Even so, Okada is young enough and good enough that I expect plenty of high votes whether he wins or not. He'll get there one day.
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sticklefifer posted:Just catching up with this. Van Hammer was given several pushes over much better wrestlers in the early 90s. Borga and Snitsky both got pushes, Borga almost a main event push!
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People liked Al Snow because of SMW cred, not ECW cred, if I remember right. I think there was actually an Apter mag where he got hyped as "the best wrestler you've never seen" or something.
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Al Snow won the Observer Award for underrated of the year in 1996, as Leif Cassidy in WWF.
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