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there is no spinning iron in a hard drive kthx
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It's spinning glass, thank you 
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Apr 26, 2018 17:54
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:It's spinning glass, thank you Aren't most platters made of aluminium?
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Apr 26, 2018 19:50
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Fame Douglas posted:Aren't most platters made of aluminium?
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Apr 26, 2018 22:15
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From hammering a bunch of drives recently, most were aluminum. Seems like older ones were glass though.
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Apr 28, 2018 16:59
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So, I've recently decided that it potentially makes sense to migrate from Sandy Bridge back to my old X58 system (see OC thread if you're curious about the details). Said X58 system doesn't have SATA 3, and while I know that it doesn't really matter the vast majority of the time that made me curious about what would potentially be involved in using an NVMe drive as a boot disk. Considering that I don't even have EFI it looks like the key element in doing this without some kind of dirty hack would be whether a legacy option ROM is present on the SSD in question, and while the 950 Pro has one of these it seems like most drives don't. Has anyone ever seen a list of drives that have these, or even is aware of a model other than the 950 Pro that does?
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May 8, 2018 22:31
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Are you asking if it's ultimately possible to boot off an MBR formatted 950 PRO in NVMe m.2 from a X58 board?
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May 8, 2018 22:44
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From what I can tell reading around it is possible to boot off of a 950 Pro in BIOS boards, because the 950 Pro has a legacy option ROM that allows BIOS to see it as a bootable storage device at all. I'm wondering if anyone knows of other drives in this category, particularly ones which are still produced and available for prices comparable to other NVMe drives. I assume that such drives would be M.2 but I can use a PCIe sled to deal with that, the board has plenty of slots.
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May 8, 2018 23:23
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Quoting myself from another thread:SamDabbers posted:Re: booting from NVMe without BIOS/UEFI support, one workaround would be to put your bootloader on another disk (or USB stick) and boot from that while having your C drive on the NVMe. When installing Windows, create an EFI (System) partition on a disk the system can boot from, and manually create your C partition on the NVMe.
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May 8, 2018 23:27
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Yeah, I know about that but don't really love the idea of needing a second partition on another drive just to be able to boot up - either I'm going to have to stick a flash drive on an internal header and leave it there forever, or there will be an extra SATA disk that I can't reformat or remove from the computer without having to redo everything. I'll probably just suck it up and use my system disk on a SATA2 port if that's the alternative.
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May 8, 2018 23:45
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Between putting a bootloader on a second lovely usb + getting the proformabce of 950 versus being pure about not using a second drive and thus restricting myself to a lovely sata2 hba for my system drive...
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May 8, 2018 23:58
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Eletriarnation posted:From what I can tell reading around it is possible to boot off of a 950 Pro in BIOS boards, because the 950 Pro has a legacy option ROM that allows BIOS to see it as a bootable storage device at all. That's the first I've heard of something like that. The only drives I remember that could be used on a 5/6 series chipset without NVMe being baked into the BIOS were PCIe drives which used a cobbled-together ROM which tricked the BIOS into seeing it as a valid, bootable AHCI device. For a while I wanted to see about using a PCIe riser card and moving my boot drive to a 950 Pro, but everything I was told was that it would always be nothing but a really fast data drive, since no riser card incorporated a feature like those hacked-together first-gen solutions did. I mean, the first-gen Intel PCIe cards didn't have that, and you'd figure if any of them would, it would have been those. Also, on my Z68, I was also told that even if I got it working, I'd be seeing 700-900MB/sec, max.
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May 9, 2018 00:30
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Potato Salad posted:Between putting a bootloader on a second lovely usb + getting the proformabce of 950 versus being pure about not using a second drive and thus restricting myself to a lovely sata2 hba for my system drive... I accept and understand that other informed people might come to a different decision in this situation but I'm not sure what makes the ICH10R "lovely" unless you're calling it that just because it's SATA2; as far as I'm aware it works great. It might make more sense if you consider that I don't already have a spare PCIe drive so I'd have to buy one anyway, and if I'm going to bother with that instead of using a SATA drive that I do already have then I'd rather have it work without a hitch than needing a hack which might compromise future usability a lot more than SATA2 will. BIG HEADLINE posted:That's the first I've heard of something like that. The only drives I remember that could be used on a 5/6 series chipset without NVMe being baked into the BIOS were PCIe drives which used a cobbled-together ROM which tricked the BIOS into seeing it as a valid, bootable AHCI device. For a while I wanted to see about using a PCIe riser card and moving my boot drive to a 950 Pro, but everything I was told was that it would always be nothing but a really fast data drive, since no riser card incorporated a feature like those hacked-together first-gen solutions did. I have no direct experience but from what I have read the 950 Pro has such a ROM, thus explaining the difference. Aren't those riser cards passive from a protocol perspective, just like M.2 SATA ->2.5" sleds? Maybe there's another limitation I don't know about but the basic math of 4 PCIe 2.0 lanes would give me 2GBps. Even if I was limited to 700, it's a lot faster than 300 and while 300 is enough (like I said, I'll just get over it and use SATA2 if that's the answer) I figured once I started thinking about the problem that I might as well see if anyone else had a solution. Eletriarnation fucked around with this message at 01:26 on May 9, 2018 |
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May 9, 2018 01:00
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that is a lot of bullshit instead of buying a new mobo and processor have at it
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May 9, 2018 02:14
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No, no, I think you misunderstand - the "lot of bullshit" is what I'm trying to avoid, I'm looking for a drive that will just plug in and work. Let me know when the new motherboard and processor and 16GB DDR4 aren't $500+ on top of buying the SSD itself and I'll get right on that option instead.
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May 9, 2018 02:50
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Eletriarnation posted:No, no, I think you misunderstand - the "lot of bullshit" is what I'm trying to avoid, I'm looking for a drive that will just plug in and work. If you do go ahead with trying, you'll likely want to get a PCIe adapter card that has an option for an additional heatsink - one of the most reported issues with the 950 Pro was thermal throttling.
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May 9, 2018 02:55
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gently caress it, I'd turbo charge that old box with nvme and just watch it boot in 5 seconds for at least an hour. At least it'd be an interesting upgrade.
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May 9, 2018 05:08
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Eletriarnation posted:No, no, I think you misunderstand - the "lot of bullshit" is what I'm trying to avoid, I'm looking for a drive that will just plug in and work. Just get modern drive and have multiple boot partitions, one at the drive itself and one at the end of the secondary sata drive. This way once you migrate, it's easy to delete the secondary partition and expand the data partition on the extra disk. Once you learn how, it is pretty painless to create new boot partitions.
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May 9, 2018 07:02
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Samsung 960GB m.2 drive for $200 Is there a catch here? This seems too cheap.
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May 10, 2018 23:03
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Gizmo Chicken posted:Samsung 960GB m.2 drive for $200 It's quite slow for an NVMe SSD. 1000/870MB/sec. Faster than an SATA SSD, for sure, but double-check the warranty. Samsung can really short-date OEM and volume-sold drives. This is an enterprise-level drive so even if it only carries a three year warranty, it should last for a good long time. It's also being sold by a Newegg Marketplace vendor, not Newegg themselves. Oh, the other catch: it's 110mm drive, so be sure you've got a board (or PCIe adapter) that can fit it. The typical M.2 drive is 80mm, and very few makers go to the trouble to make the space available for a 110mm drive. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 03:49 on May 11, 2018 |
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May 10, 2018 23:21
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Amazon and Newegg both had a 1TB Samsung 970 EVO for $399 yesterday. Newegg still has that price, but Amazon just updated theirs to $499. $399 is actually cheaper than the Samsung 960 EVO, so if you want an NVME drive now might be a good time to grab one. Mine arrives tomorrow. 
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May 11, 2018 00:33
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SSD value kings being disused enterprise drives is the best recent development.
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May 11, 2018 06:23
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Samsung dropped the price of their whole 970 lineup, likely in response to some of the reviews.
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May 13, 2018 07:25
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Just tossing the dog a bone before Samsung conveniently cuts power to their NAND fabs again because.
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May 13, 2018 08:32
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What the gently caress is going on with those graphs  
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May 13, 2018 12:48
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"Proactive Thermal Protection?" Ooooh boy Samsung, what did you do?
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May 13, 2018 14:11
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Now I'm worried I bought too early. Then again I'm happy with performance so far so maybe it's fine. Plus, I assume a future firmware update could improve performance.
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May 13, 2018 14:19
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Ynglaur posted:Now I'm worried I bought too early. Then again I'm happy with performance so far so maybe it's fine. Plus, I assume a future firmware update could improve performance. Unless you are a power user you probably wont be able to tell the difference between any of those SSDs under normal usage.
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May 13, 2018 14:47
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Yeah I wouldn't be able to get my home rig to test that right. A xeon system has features that make any attempt to compare benchmarks to the hedt market shaky at best. The data series in those graphs mean nothing beyond what you can draw from comparison to trends on the same test rig and software.
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May 13, 2018 15:09
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Ynglaur posted:Now I'm worried I bought too early. Then again I'm happy with performance so far so maybe it's fine. Plus, I assume a future firmware update could improve performance. I wouldn't worry, the 970 series is the right choice because of the additional warranty and higher write endurance. Add the lowered prices and it's a no-brainer, even if the performance isn't better or even slightly worse, the standard of these NVMe drives is so high that you wouldn't notice it anyway.
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Thanks for assuaging my irrational fears, goons. Another proof of  well spent all those years ago.
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May 13, 2018 15:45
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Ynglaur posted:Thanks for assuaging my irrational fears, goons. Another proof of Your concerns were perfectly rational. Not voicing concerns would be irrational.
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May 13, 2018 15:59
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Potato Salad posted:"Proactive Thermal Protection?" On the 960s, it was literally a paper-thin sheet of copper under the stickers to function as a near-inconsequential heat spreader.
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May 13, 2018 16:08
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BIG HEADLINE posted:On the 960s, it was literally a paper-thin sheet of copper under the stickers to function as a near-inconsequential heat spreader. I remember laughing at that promotional material. In this case though I'm wondering what problems they ran into wrangling their znand that got them to engineer more aggressive thermal throttling (that, of course, marketing wanted to sell as a feature)
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May 13, 2018 16:11
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Thermal management is something certain types of customers care very much about
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May 13, 2018 16:30
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Right but, if more reviews find this has regressed on the thermal limiting front, the question of what went wrong is going to ask itself.
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May 13, 2018 16:37
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Oh they could have definitely messed up the implementation but calling it something marketing wanted might be misleading if it's something a customer specially asks for
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https://www.rakuten.com/shop/platinum-micro/product/CCMTFDDAK2T0TBN1AR1ZABYY/?ranMID=36342 2TB Micron SSD for $268. I think this is real bottom-tier SSD but the price per GB is pretty sweet.
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Lockback posted:https://www.rakuten.com/shop/platinum-micro/product/CCMTFDDAK2T0TBN1AR1ZABYY/?ranMID=36342 This would be a great drive for just games if you play a lot different games on PC. Some specifications from the data sheet. 92k IOPs random read, 83k IOPs random write. It uses 40 TLC 384Gb 3D chips. This is a first generation device, they've already started on Gen2. The MTTF is 1.5 Million hours with a TBW life of 400TB SlayVus fucked around with this message at 21:31 on May 15, 2018 |
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I jumped on that anyway since its even cheaper than a MX500 1TB locally, and I believe Micron is massively underrating the write endurance.
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