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If I remember correctly, New Vegas handled this by not making the faction leaders the combat "bosses", and only introducing those bosses when you have to fight them.
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Cat Mattress posted:That's why they have a new "protected" flag. Essential characters are immortal; but protected ones can only be killed by the player. its a shame they never loving use it
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Lycus posted:If I remember correctly, New Vegas handled this by not making the faction leaders the combat "bosses", and only introducing those bosses when you have to fight them. This is what I meant by satisfying. It would be a shame if you literally couldn't meet Ulfric until the final fight. Also I never liked Lanius being Frank Horrigan 2.0
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I appreciated the concept and execution of Yes Man. It was lore-friendly and foolproof.
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May 10, 2018 01:36
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Maybe I should just play New Vegas again.
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A.o.D. posted:The problem with the Forsworn stuff is that they didn't have enough time to do what they had in mind. It was nowhere as ill conceived as the Thieves Guild story. Yeah that's a big part of why I'd like to see him go into it with detail. The Forsworn stuff didn't really land for me but I don't remember it being a major catastrophe like the TG was.
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Tasteful Dickpic posted:Maybe I should just play New Vegas again. Whenever I feel like putting together a Skyrim mod package or getting OpenMW up and running, it usually means that I just want to play New Vegas again. Actually committed to playing Skyrim, though, and am having a good time Living Another Life in the Dark Brotherhood. It's like the Thieves Guild, except you steal lives.
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I'm not sure if the Forsworn were intended to be so or not but they're a pretty good example of hipocrisy amongst the Stormcloaks. The Stormcloaks preach "Skyrim is Nord land, we should rule it!" and the Forsworn just say "wtf bro." The Stormcloaks then just go "stfu nerds."
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May 10, 2018 11:47
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I think that was intentional.
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Sky Shadowing posted:I'm not sure if the Forsworn were intended to be so or not but they're a pretty good example of hipocrisy amongst the Stormcloaks. The Stormcloaks preach "Skyrim is Nord land, we should rule it!" and the Forsworn just say "wtf bro." The Stormcloaks then just go "stfu nerds." Yeah, the forsworn are the Stormcloaks stormcloaks. I always wanted to make a quest chain after Destroy the Dark Brotherhood where you carried out Commander Maro's increasingly insane perogatives to wipe out everyone in Skyrim who could threaten the Emperor, eventually killing every named NPC in skyrim.
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Sky Shadowing posted:I'm not sure if the Forsworn were intended to be so or not but they're a pretty good example of hipocrisy amongst the Stormcloaks. The Stormcloaks preach "Skyrim is Nord land, we should rule it!" and the Forsworn just say "wtf bro." The Stormcloaks then just go "stfu nerds." So uh in short we should kill the Forsworn and kill the Reachmen and kill the Jarl and liberate the silver mines in the name of the proletariat.
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May 10, 2018 14:12
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Sieze the means of production of black soul gems.
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May 10, 2018 14:24
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Can you put a Soul Trap enchantment on a guillotine?
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Halloween Jack posted:Can you put a Soul Trap enchantment on a guillotine? "At last I go to Sovngarde" -Prisoner's last words "Umm..." -Executioner
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Halloween Jack posted:I see the Forsworn themselves as being something akin to ISIS; that is, they were founded on a legitimate grievance against imperialism, but they long ago lost the support of the people they purport to represent, and their religion is a heresy that most Reachmen wouldn't recognize. Orc strongholds = ypg cantons. Gonna name my next character pisspig
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Fuligin posted:Orc strongholds = ypg cantons. Gonna name my next character pisspig Pisspig gro-Ndad
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Am I the only one curious about the status of High Rock as of Skyrim? It's odd that we hear so little about it considering the fact that with Cyrodiil, Skyrim, and Hammerfell all hosed up it's probably the most stable and powerful bastion of human power in Tamriel as of Elder Scrolls V, especially in light of the Warp in the West bringing unprecedented unity and the presence of the Adamantine Tower, which is probably the most powerful of the bunch, undoubtedly drawing Thalmor attention. The logic of the narrative as we know it now really seems to pointing to Daggerfall 2 as the next Elder Scrolls game, but I can't say that with any confidence because most of what we know about 4th era High Rock is a giant question mark.
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Legends posits that High Rock is still a major part of the Empire, and has distilled to five major kingdoms. One kingdom, Wayrest, was recently involved in a Dark Brotherhood plot and was sacked by corsairs. Also, as for Forsworn sympathies, the Reachmen were once in charge of the entire Empire via the Longhouse Emperors. They turned out to be a bunch of savage, Daedra worshipping, dark magic using assholes and nobody likes them.
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The Reachmen in Skyrim were pretty chill until Ulfric came and butchered literal children in Markarth. Life in Markarth was apparently really sweet under their rule.
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Jeff Goldblum posted:Legends posits that High Rock is still a major part of the Empire, and has distilled to five major kingdoms. One kingdom, Wayrest, was recently involved in a Dark Brotherhood plot and was sacked by corsairs. Correction, they were once in charge of a rump state that called itself the Empire. After the Akaviri Potentates got murdered, the Provinces seceded off into their own nations in the chaos. Cyrodiil basically collapsed into civil war and whoever had the biggest army crowned themselves Emperor- a revolving door of petty Emperors. In ESO this state was still called The Empire. Time and time again it would be conquered by an outside or inside force and get a whole new Empire. One of those groups was the Longhouse Emperors who were daedra-worshipping assholes as you say. They got beaten up by Varen Aquilarios, who re-established a more Cyrodiilic style of rule. After Varen did what he did- ESO spoilers made a deal with Mannimarco who tricked him that it would be possible to use the Amulet of Kings (which Varen couldn't wear) to try and become Dragonborn (because only a Dragonborn can REALLY be Emperor in any meaningful way) and it all backfired horribly and put Mannimarco's puppet Clivia Tharn in charge and right back to the Daedra worship, not to mention the three Alliances of ESO constantly invading and Cyrodiil, probably (because we haven't seen it yet) ended any legitimacy this rump state had and by the time Tiber Septim came around a few hundred years later Cyrodiil was mostly balkanized.
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Weavered posted:Pah! Morrowind let you kill them, mocked you and told you couldn’t finish the game and still you can complete it in a super secret cool way with the help of Tyrion Lannister and Jabba the Hutt’s love child. Weavered posted:Pah! Morrowind let you kill them, mocked you and told you couldn’t finish the game and still you can complete it in a super secret cool way with the help of Tyrion Lannister and Jabba the Hutt’s love child. The “the main quest is now very hard” and “the main quest is now impossible” messages were actually different! 
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raminasi posted:The “the main quest is now very hard” and “the main quest is now impossible” messages were actually different! No they aren't. The only truly essential npc is yagrum bagarn. If you abuse alchemy no one is essential, you can just restore health a billion points to get around wraithguard.
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Is it possible for a Dark Brotherhood Listener to leave the DB? Can anyone leave the DB? How does pledging your soul to someone even work, since the Dragonborn pledges to at least half a dozen different gods in Skyrim.
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In the case of the Dragonborn it's a bit unique because their relation to Akatosh seems to imply that Big AKA gets to supersede any other claims on their soul. With everyone else, I think it's just that no regular people ever end up in the position of promising their soul to more than one entity. Being in such a position even once seems to be a pretty uncommon event, it takes a Dragonborn or Nerevarine or the like to get into such a position more than once. Or TES VI will be about the efforts of a dozen different gods to gain control of the Dohvakiin's soul and you having to deal with the plots, machinations, and wars that result. 
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Meyers-Briggs Testicle posted:No they aren't. The only truly essential npc is yagrum bagarn. If you abuse alchemy no one is essential, you can just restore health a billion points to get around wraithguard. What the hell, did I hallucinate that?  Did a mod add it? I 100% remember the message for killing any “essential” characters other than Yagrum Bagarn or Divayth Fyr being something about weakening or damaging the thread of prophecy instead of severing it.
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raminasi posted:What the hell, did I hallucinate that? There are but it's the exact same message in all cases. There are also some essential npcs without that flag and one npc essential to nothing with the message as well.
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I think people dont talk about High Rock much because it's all but guaranteed to be the next ES game, what with being the last 'normal' looking place.
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Meyers-Briggs Testicle posted:and one npc essential to nothing with the message as well. Who’s that? I hope it’s some sleazy nobody in the lap dance bar in Suran.
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Weavered posted:Who’s that? I hope it’s some sleazy nobody in the lap dance bar in Suran. Some barbarian in a tomb in the middle of nowhere. He also happens to be the guy with the Necromancer's Helmet so have fun if you don't know he's nobody.
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His name is Crazy Batou and he is my friend.
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Elder Scrolls: High Rock will be unfinishable if it detects a save file where Nicker The Looty is dead. Azura gets the last laugh once again.
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Neurolimal posted:what with being the last 'normal' looking place.
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drkeiscool posted:Is it possible for a Dark Brotherhood Listener to leave the DB? Can anyone leave the DB? How does pledging your soul to someone even work, since the Dragonborn pledges to at least half a dozen different gods in Skyrim. I don't recall making any oaths to Sithis.
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Neurolimal posted:I think people dont talk about High Rock much because it's all but guaranteed to be the next ES game, what with being the last 'normal' looking place. It's Hammerfell and High Rock both.
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Meyers-Briggs Testicle posted:There are but it's the exact same message in all cases. There are also some essential npcs without that flag and one npc essential to nothing with the message as well. Crazy Batou is essential because he needs to go to Ghost in the Shell after Morrowind is completed.
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Fojar38 posted:The logic of the narrative as we know it now really seems to pointing to Daggerfall 2 as the next Elder Scrolls game, but I can't say that with any confidence because most of what we know about 4th era High Rock is a giant question mark. I'd only be okay with this if Daggerfall 2 is just as big as the first one.
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Kamrat posted:I'd only be okay with this if Daggerfall 2 is just as big as the first one. The best Daggerfall 2 is DFU. 
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Neurolimal posted:I think people dont talk about High Rock much because it's all but guaranteed to be the next ES game, what with being the last 'normal' looking place. Each game is bigger, geographically speaking. I think they'll give us a normalized Valenwood and Elsewyr, personally. Treetop Elves is pretty normalized fantasy at this point.
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Elder Scrolls Online has shown us that any unique environment can be boiled down to its most pedantic roots. Valenwood will become Falkreath but with treehouses, Elsweyr and Bangkorai will become Breath of the Wild clones. Looking forward to ESO Summerset being a reskin of Cyrodiil in pastels.
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