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beep by grandpa posted:He has videos on his journey, I've watched them all and I believe him. I could not give a poo poo less what other groups he attracts for saying things I agree with. That's not my problem. I am an individual, I'm not trying to change anyone's minds and I don't do the whole guilt-by-association thing. If you want to provide any sources for what you're trying to convince me of, go for it, but all I see his detractors saying on twitter are he's a bigot and he's involved in trans-murder which is all just nonsense I see them pull all the time, then they always shut the hell up when asked to source anything they're talking about. So I can't trust heresay anymore, I just think a lot of progressives don't like that a gay dude left the plantation when his rightful "place" is with them. It's the same exact thing black people have to go through with which is where I identify with him a lot. hahahaahhahhh that is a good loving bit.
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When you respond to me like that it just proves to me you are completely 100% full of poo poo, thanks though. I'm being nice to you and asking you questions and you just pull these games that I see all the time and I just could not care less if you're not gonna engage with me. I'm really trying here. I'm not arguing in bad faith about anything. If you think I'm being a dick, tell me.
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https://twitter.com/21logician/status/872444814104694784 i don't think you're being a dick. you're just very dumb when it comes to politics. if you see a dave rubin tweet and don't think "that is dumb as gently caress" you're uninformed https://askepticalhuman.com/politics/2017/11/26/refuting-dave-rubins-falsehoods-junk-arguments-in-david-pakman-interview Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 00:54 on May 11, 2018 |
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All righ. Do you understand what he's talking about? To me I believe his point is regarding some college students (this is a tweet from last summer) trying to segregate some classes and into black-only or gay-only, etc spaces which is completely at odds with every single thing Dr. MLK Jr. ever talked about. White children and black children standing hand-in-hand, etc. If you think I'm misinterpreting something please tell me. It's a very disingenuous take that clip not including what he was referring to exactly but going back nearly a year ago I BELIEVE that was the event he was talking about. I think it's being overly simple and hyperbolic at worst but I am curious to what exactly you think he is trying to say there.
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he thinks mlk would be a conservative. mlk was a socialist. he's misrepresented and misquoted mlk multiple times. i gotta laugh at you thinking i wouldn't grasp what dave "the rube" rubin was trying to say. here's him being a dumb gently caress again: https://twitter.com/21logician/status/831735058063056897 Malaria posted:This conversation is dumber than Eddie Bravo can't disagree. Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 00:58 on May 11, 2018 |
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May 11, 2018 00:56
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This conversation is dumber than Eddie Bravo
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He is not saying that he thinks mlk would be a consderative. He is saying, quite clearly, that mlk's words and actions could be seen as conservative in the extremist political spectrum we live in right now where some progressive students were literally trying to segregate ourselves. That the lines of what counts as liberal and conservative have shifted so much that mlk would have been displaced. Again, I think it's hyperbolic but I think you are being absolutely disingenuous here. edit: you edited another clip as I Wrote this, I'm talking about the first clip. I haven't looked at the second.
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May 11, 2018 00:59
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he wouldn't have been displaced since the overton window has moved so far to the right (so he'd be considered even more left-wing nowadays).
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But he was talking specifically about left-wing college students when he made the point (I believe). The clip leaves out crucial context
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Hey it’s not as bad as Gavin McGuiennes, who literally believes MLK was a sex lunatic and plagiarized his entire PhD. The alt right are just bad comedians trying to act like they know poo poo, I probably said that already.Kiger_Soze posted:Baker loving sucks. I couldn't make it past the first 10 minutes where he seemed baffled that Congress would ask questions about the CIA torture program. It listened halfway through and it was unlistenable. Don’t bring up the fact the CIA literally overthrew like 8 democratically elected leaders and put in puppet fascists, mainly in South America. Less Claypool fucked around with this message at 01:20 on May 11, 2018 |
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gavin mcinnes's entry in the museum of self owns: https://twitter.com/Gavin_McInnes/status/861780658779303936
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Malaria posted:This conversation is dumber than Eddie Bravo Sorry. Whenever I have conversations like this irl and am open about how I feel about things and want to know why people think the way they think and bridge the gap it's cool and I learn why people are the way they are, but when I do it online I just get snarky assholes being dismissive dicks to me, misrepresenting every single thing I talk about, calling me a bit and dumb. No clue why people think this is the way to be persuasive now but that's the internet. Almost everything is just call-out sick burn culture and drop the mic twitter bullshit. I'm just not cut out for serious internet discussion/being mad online. Tbh I think a lot of my approach is from listening to joe rogan, I really admire that he'll talk to anyone and listen to them and then fire back and he's never an rear end in a top hat about it. He's always kind and I really like that. Not joking.
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beep by grandpa posted:Sorry. Whenever I have conversations like this irl and am open about how I feel about things and want to know why people think the way they think and bridge the gap it's cool and I learn why people are the way they are, but when I do it online I just get snarky assholes being dismissive dicks to me, misrepresenting every single thing I talk about, calling me a bit and dumb. No clue why people think this is the way to be persuasive now but that's the internet. Almost everything is just call-out sick burn culture and drop the mic twitter bullshit. I'm just not cut out for serious internet discussion/being mad online. It's not worth dialoguing with people in this thread who only come in here when a guest right of center appears on the show. Most of them are d and d regulars who are so far down the rabbit hole their only modes of engagement are insults and exaggeration.
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This subforum is so loving weird lol.
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Lol it is. And If y'all making less than 7 figures and affiliate yourself with either political party ur getting Hoodwinked just sayin
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Big shock the guy who 'doesn't even know what the alt right is' happens to think the proggressive left are part of a conspiracy to silence 'free thinking' conservatives. And you know if you are legit talking in good faith when you say you're open to other points of view and stuff, you can just like google why people think the alt right is bad or certain people have a reputation as racists or bigots of one kind or another. It's a lot easier than opening with 'I assume it's what people say when they don't like your opinion' just sounds like you're lying, and are just upset about being associated with them. cosmically_cosmic fucked around with this message at 05:02 on May 11, 2018 |
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Seltzer posted:It's not worth dialoguing with people in this thread who only come in here when a guest right of center appears on the show. Most of them are d and d regulars who are so far down the rabbit hole their only modes of engagement are insults and exaggeration. lmao "i don't know poo poo about poo poo so they must be exaggerating." cosmically_cosmic posted:And you know if you are legit talking in good faith when you say you're open to other points of view and stuff, you can just like google why people think the alt right is bad or certain people have a reputation as racists or bigots of one kind or another. It's a lot easier than opening with 'I assume it's what people say when they don't like your opinion' just sounds like you're lying, and are just upset about being associated with them. yeah a quick google shows how dave "the rube" rubin has misrepresented mlk in the past it's not some one-off thing. Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 13:06 on May 11, 2018 |
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I have politely asked several times what makes Dave Rubin alt-right and an entire page of posts later your only point about him is telling me he misrepresented MLK...when Rubin's entire point in the clip was to me literally "racial segregation is bad"...which, misrepresenting MLK or not, I agree that racial segregation is bad. Gee, I wonder why I'm so skeptical of all the labeling and don't trust the term at face value anymore. I hope this makes sense to you. I think if you had a credible point and were interested in persuading me you'd have made it instead of mocking me and constantly changing the subject. I haven't treated you this way...if your argument now is "just Google it" then we should just end the derail now and agree to disagree.
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Seltzer posted:It's not worth dialoguing with people in this thread who only come in here when a guest right of center appears on the show. Most of them are d and d regulars who are so far down the rabbit hole their only modes of engagement are insults and exaggeration. It really is the only time this thread gets traction. Awesome guests like ndt get maybe 3 posts but an “alt right” guest immediately gets 20 smug posts from insecure goons lol
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Unfunny Poster posted:This subforum is so loving weird lol. Indeed. To be fair, Joe’s podcast is weird as poo poo. It’s such a mixed bag. The biggest guy he had on recently was Mel Gibson and they just talked about stem cells with a doctor wearing a motorcycle jacket.
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beep by grandpa posted:I think if you had a credible point and were interested in persuading me you'd have made it instead of mocking me and constantly changing the subject. I haven't treated you this way...if your argument now is "just Google it" then we should just end the derail now and agree to disagree. Google is hard I'm just gonna assume I'm right. Meanies!! 
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cosmically_cosmic posted:Google is hard I'm just gonna assume I'm right. Meanies!! If the evolution of political discourse now is for me to call people who disagree with me dumb, mock them, sidestep the subject, not answer any questions and then for my final act, smugly proclaim that the burden is on my opponent to prove themselves wrong then I don't think I'm cut out for this sort of thing. I don't want to do any of that. I am done talking about it.
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beep by grandpa posted:If the evolution of political discourse now is for me to call people who disagree with me dumb, mock them, sidestep the subject, not answer any questions and then for my final act, smugly proclaim that the burden is on my opponent to prove themselves wrong then I don't think I'm cut out for this sort of thing. I don't want to do any of that. I am done talking about it. Kid, other people don't need to explain the world to you just because you loudly anounce your ignorance, you might be watching too many 'youtube debates' if you think that people have to hold your hand and babystep you through everything. You're going to spend a lot of time complaining about people calling you stupid and being confused as to why if you don't learn that.
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literally you could have found a Dave rubin video and explained why it was stupid instead of just calling the dude stupid. i don't know who he is but if he hangs out with Jordan Peterson it shouldn't be that hard. if you're not willing to back up what you say then don't make a dozen posts about how correct and smart you are like it's self evident when clearly it isn't.
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it's so easy holy poo poo. Dave rubin is full of poo poo because he is pushing the online narrative that leftists want segregation and separation. The MLK thing is a really great example of focusing on what he wants to focus on, segregation, to make his point that MLK was a conservative. This ignores a loving colossal body of MLKs life work that rubin is almost certainly aware of. he is part of the great big culture war grift that consists of pointing out the absolute silliest poo poo mentally ill transgender people say and do and saying "that's the left, and that's why we shouldn't have the civil rights act or universal health care." I learned who Dave rubin was ten minutes ago that wasn't so hard. although I do already feel that this was a giant waste of time
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notice how all the videos of him dealing with hecklers are always the most inane poo poo imaginable. Then he goes welp these are my critics and the people who who disagree with me look how illogical they are! Jordan Peterson does this same poo poo where they take the most hysterical arguments against them, defeat them easily, and then dust off their hands and say poo poo like "identity politics is Marxism"
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lots of poo poo that happens on Joe's podcast is really stupid in this way. Mike baker for example, the Gina Haspel Defender, implies that the only concerns the Democrats raised were about how she "felt" about the torture program. If you didn't watch the hearing and you already kinda believe that democrats don't care about Facts and all they care about is Feelings this is something that you (and Joe) will just tacitly accept, and it's another brick in the wall of your brain that Democrats are soft soy boys who let their feelings get in the way of Getting Things Done. It happens to be a gigantic crock of poo poo. They mostly grilled her about destroying those darn tapes, her track record, what her priorities would be as head of the CIA, what she would do if she received an order that was illegal, and yes, they did ask her if she 'felt' that torture worked. It's a pretty important question for the new director of the CIA, especially if she was part of a loving government torture program. This is the heart of the problem with rubin and Peterson and Rogan. It's entertainment disguised as intellectualism with a big dash of clickbait thrown in for good measure. Gay Horney fucked around with this message at 18:09 on May 11, 2018 |
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Gay Horney posted:lots of poo poo that happens on Joe's podcast is really stupid in this way. Mike baker for example, the Gina Haspel Defender, implies that the only concerns the Democrats raised were about how she "felt" about the torture program. Gay Horney posted:literally you could have found a Dave rubin video and explained why it was stupid instead of just calling the dude stupid. i don't know who he is but if he hangs out with Jordan Peterson it shouldn't be that hard. if you're not willing to back up what you say then don't make a dozen posts about how correct and smart you are like it's self evident when clearly it isn't. I think the reason no-one wants to with Alt-Right poo poo is that it is so steeped in misinformation and double talk that even scratching the surface means going deep on like details and following up on the logic they hint it, and who the gently caress can be arsed doing that for every momo in the Joe Rogan thread who says they don't even know what the alt right are in 2018. Just google it you momo's, EDUCATION COCKSUCKAS
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I get that. if you don't want to do the deep dive then don't. I feel like i just wasted a ton of time with something very stupid. it just really rubbed me the wrong way to see the side I ostensibly agree with spend a page ganging up on someone and calling him stupid for just asking questions and trying to relate it to his own experience. maybe the guy really is a poo poo head, maybe not, but the problem with all of this Alt Right nonsense is if you don't already have outside knowledge a lot of the narrative they are pushing makes sense, because they do identify real problems in the world. dogpiling someone and calling him stupid for not having that outside knowledge is a really bad look. with that being said maybe googling whether or not MLK was a conservative would have saved everyone a lot of trouble.
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Gay Horney posted:it's so easy holy poo poo. Dave rubin is full of poo poo because he is pushing the online narrative that leftists want segregation and separation. The MLK thing is a really great example of focusing on what he wants to focus on, segregation, to make his point that MLK was a conservative. This ignores a loving colossal body of MLKs life work that rubin is almost certainly aware of. Agreed Rubin seems like an rear end overall, but it's not untrue that separatism is still a thing amongst parts of the left, and I do think that's weird and bad and worth talking about. He's wrong to try and insist on what king REALLY meant or whatever (MLK was a complex man whose ideas evolved over time), but Rubin's point seems to be that those ideas on the left conflict with anti-segregationist ideas and the I have a dream speech in particular, and I don't see anything incorrect about that. Full disclosure re my white fragility - my personal experience of this topic in the past few years is that I rode the wave of occupy wall Street and occupy Sandy into becoming a vocal supporter of black lives matter, until I started feeling alienated at the increasing literalness of anti-white retoric coming from some friends who I respected a lot. I haven't turned alt right since then, but I do tend to think and talk about these things a lot less than I used to and have reshifted my focus elsewhere. Personally I do think there's a problem of dialog amongst the left being much less open than it was just five or six years ago, and I think we're walking ourselves into a pretty censorial and anti-intellectual corner, and I think the "Google it, it's too simple and/or complicated to explain" stuff helps that along. cosmically_cosmic posted:Just google it you momo's, EDUCATION COCKSUCKAS Like that's fine but maybe just don't post then? I don't get what's potentially constructive about this approach and it's not very funny either. Of course it's not your personal obligation to be that guy, but the growing void of people willing to talk about these things is frustrating and I wish someone else would step up, either to openly defend the radical left perspective or to openly oppose it from a place that isn't the right - in part for my personal curiosity, and in part because the left continuing to let its poo poo fall apart for another generation means burning time the world doesn't have.
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Gay Horney posted:notice how all the videos of him dealing with hecklers are always the most inane poo poo imaginable. Then he goes welp these are my critics and the people who who disagree with me look how illogical they are! Jordan Peterson does this same poo poo where they take the most hysterical arguments against them, defeat them easily, and then dust off their hands and say poo poo like "identity politics is Marxism" This, one thousand percent this. The "Intellectual Dark Web" crew are making hysterical amounts of money by running this racket. Like I guess if you hang out exclusively on college campuses some of the things they rant and rave about might be an actual issue, but outside of college it all seems nonexistent.
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To Battle posted:Indeed. To be fair, Joe’s podcast is weird as poo poo. It’s such a mixed bag. The biggest guy he had on recently was Mel Gibson and they just talked about stem cells with a doctor wearing a motorcycle jacket. This whole back and forth reads like a poor attempt at replicating a D&D discussion where one side acts like a manchild refusing to back up their claim or explain it further when asked while the other acts like an idiot and just repeats themselves over and over again. It's comically pathetic. Mekchu fucked around with this message at 01:49 on May 12, 2018 |
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beep by grandpa posted:I like Dave Rubin, what the hell is alt-right about him? Or is alt right just everyone right of progressive now. He had a very similar journey to mine as far as becoming very disillusioned with the left the last few years (especially us both being partv of marginalized groups that they try to court/pander to which I have a disgust for) alt right dudes look up to him, rubin doesnt have to be alt right himself to end up platforming them and creating opportunities for them to spread their message. also the reason people are being mean to you is because a) you dont seem to understand what the alt right is or its tactics and b) you misrepresent 'the left' as being mentally ill college students. Gay Horney posted:it's so easy holy poo poo. Dave rubin is full of poo poo because he is pushing the online narrative that leftists want segregation and separation. The MLK thing is a really great example of focusing on what he wants to focus on, segregation, to make his point that MLK was a conservative. This ignores a loving colossal body of MLKs life work that rubin is almost certainly aware of. this post is basically all you need to read. the fact that rubin places socialism, segregation, and oppression in the same category with the leftist moniker should tip you off that something isnt right. unless of course all you do is watch shapiro OWNS college MARXIST youtube videos and you actually think those are all synonyms. if you dont see that maybe you should take a step back and reexamine how you think the world works. would mlk and jfk be considered conservative today? does socialism call for oppression and segregation? is the left pushing for these things? is the marketplace of ideas a valid concept? read a drat book or something. e: also this podcast is fun but has gone downhill over the past 18-24 months cuz hes like wow the left sure is crazy since all joe does is talk to people that want to get paid to speak on college campuses but the students dont want them to. nothing is stopping them from speaking on campus for free. needs more hunters and fighters on talking about dumb poo poo cuz joe is a meathead that pretends to read books barkbell fucked around with this message at 15:39 on May 12, 2018 |
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