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Oh man I have thoughts about this game that I will write up after getting coffee. Not my best gameplay by any measure, but just as a FYI we were not intentionally killing high volume posters. I definitely looked back at it night 2 and went “ah poo poo” - there’s some hand wringing to that effect in scumdoc (I’ll post it later today). Thanks for running Ecco, and thanks everyone for playing!
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Max posted:Like part of me felt really bad for what happened with Sal day 1 but also I had to make do with what I had there. In the future don't call people out for lurking when they aren't lurking because that D1 pretty much ruined the whole game for me! I'm not saying you are solely responsible for that but that set off the chain of events.
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That went about as bad as it possibly could have for town. In this case, the idea of the I never saw a final Votefinder post from yesterday but I guess I shouldn't have dropped a vote and left when I did. Would have been better to have never actually voted since when I came back to the game 30 minutes before deadline the hammer had long since already gone. The cult cop being a red herring twice in a row is frustrating. That said, town simply played poorly for the most part. Edit: not totally vanilla town but you get my drift anyway Referee fucked around with this message at 14:27 on May 14, 2018 |
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May 14, 2018 14:25
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SalTheBard posted:In the future don't call people out for lurking when they aren't lurking because that D1 pretty much ruined the whole game for me! I'm not saying you are solely responsible for that but that set off the chain of events. I think the problem with that argument was that TNL was the one who brought your name up first when I was listing people I thought were lurking. I just happened to go "oh yeah him too."
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May 14, 2018 14:38
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Max posted:Oh hey you're back. This was the post that annoyed me "Oh hey your back" when I never left to begin with.
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May 14, 2018 14:44
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May 14, 2018 14:45
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GeneX posted:I was anticipating a sequence of lynch pod->block+kill moat->lynch AA->kill ??->lynch me->kill AS, hope BK's godfather saves us in the 3 person LYLO. I anticipated this too, but I found that loving exhausting. I honestly just did not want to play this game for that much longer.
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May 14, 2018 14:46
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I really enjoyed this game, and it wasn’t because things went so well for scum. It was just architected in a way I was able to enjoy more, and I really appreciate more “normal”/vanillaish game setups personally. I know a lot of people made statements about me being gone/lurking towards the end but that was generally because I actually had stuff going on, not because I was trying to lurk as a strategy. I felt more comfortable coming back to the thread as scum than I ever have this game, which is something I have trouble with sometimes. Overall good game folks. And I’m sorry TNL for your swift death. We had to kill someone.
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May 14, 2018 14:56
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BottleKnight posted:I really enjoyed this game, and it wasn’t because things went so well for scum. It was just architected in a way I was able to enjoy more, and I really appreciate more “normal”/vanillaish game setups personally. I know a lot of people made statements about me being gone/lurking towards the end but that was generally because I actually had stuff going on, not because I was trying to lurk as a strategy. I felt more comfortable coming back to the thread as scum than I ever have this game, which is something I have trouble with sometimes. I apologize I wasn't actually trying to call you out, I figured if pod went down I would too so I was trying to draw an investigation on you. Not being able to day chat was different! Sorry BK.
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:I apologize I wasn't actually trying to call you out, I figured if pod went down I would too so I was trying to draw an investigation on you. Not being able to day chat was different! Sorry BK. Oh no I agree I wasn’t talking about you, my frustration towards you was fake. The post that immediately came to mind was Slamburgers post calling Gene and I out.
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May 14, 2018 15:03
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Max posted:I'm sorry. It's not a big deal. It was 12 days ago I'm over it. We both had other things going on that crept into the game! Fun game otherwise.
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May 14, 2018 15:34
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I also don't quite remember if the Bottle Knights won last time they were in a game so I'm honestly just glad, lore-wise, we were able to bring it home.
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May 14, 2018 15:41
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Scumdoc: https://discord.gg/nTgqHUY AA/Keane/Pod Masonry: https://discord.gg/sduy6Df Okay so. Day 1 was kind of an exercise in frustration for me, because AA all but scumclaimed right off in our masonry (seriously, go read it) and I had to spend a significant amount of time and energy on damage control from that point onwards. This also informed my watcher choices since I was trying to balance getting information for scum versus getting stuff I could share with Keane. I botched things pretty badly after N1 where I saw AA, Keane, and Moat all visit Sal because I had to pivot over the course of the game on whether I wanted to hard-bus AA for town/masonry cred or try and push for a moat execution. I should really have tried to pick watch choices that weren't going to catch my own scumteam, or be prepared to go all in on bussing. Eventually we decided we had to kill Keane for safety after the Day 2 execution, or he would have gone for AA. Like I said this morning, our intention wasn't to kill high volume posters. We killed TNL Night 1 because he hinted at knowing more about cop sanities - thus we surmised he might be another hidden cop. We killed Keane Night 2 to prevent the loss of AA (which in retrospect, I think, made the game less fun for everyone - you can see the debate about this in the scumdoc), and then obviously killed Sal Night 3 because we had to eliminate the cop. In retrospect I should have stayed on moat instead of wasting time trying to build cred with Keane, so we could have secured his execution on Day 3. My pivot on him was difficult to explain in the absence of results that wouldn't have doomed AA, and I was left without a lot of options in the end.
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May 14, 2018 15:48
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I lobbied to kill moat instead of keane for a little while N2 b/c I was genuinely scared of a moat that felt vengeful towards us. pod/aa ended up making the correct decision to kill keane but yeah, we were not making our decisions based on who was posting the most.
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May 14, 2018 15:58
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EccoRaven posted:The debate raged in the Gate of the Cult of the Temple Viper. It became clear that someone had to be lying - but who? The evidence was clear: was it Pod, who claimed to have been drunk and didn't even try to watch over the claimed cop once the entire game? Or was it Moat, whose name rhymed with vote? This was going to be a tough call; would the students have the -- oh, well. Lmao Gg scum, town can blame me they want. I'm p much useless if I don't have a vig (which I would have 100% used on pod n1)
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Moatillata, Leon, Cleaner (town-aligned doctor), was executed day 4
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Oh I forgot to mention - I do stand by my conclusion that moat is a really good player once he stops shitposting and starts casing. Also, Slamburger coming in hot on that last day shook us up pretty good - he called out exactly the right folks. Lastly, AS played the cop claim super duper well - that would have hosed us up if not for managing to end the game today, since she cleared a significant portion of the remaining townies.
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May 14, 2018 16:06
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  realtime reactions to asoda's claim lmao
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May 14, 2018 16:08
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Here's our masonry https://discord.gg/ZHsjnCu
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May 14, 2018 16:09
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Oh if you read the scumdoc please enjoy BK's absolutely inexplicable conspiracy theorizing about hidden socialists that got me irl angry at him after a long day of drinking at a beerfest.
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May 14, 2018 16:11
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Podima posted:Oh I forgot to mention - I do stand by my conclusion that moat is a really good player once he stops shitposting and starts casing. Also, Slamburger coming in hot on that last day shook us up pretty good - he called out exactly the right folks. Lastly, AS played the cop claim super duper well - that would have hosed us up if not for managing to end the game today, since she cleared a significant portion of the remaining townies. This is exactly what my high school guidance counselor told me  Also I wanna second that AS did a kick rear end job
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May 14, 2018 16:12
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Pod I knew I should've tried to push you more. I just didn't have the cache for it. I can't believe your watcher claim didn't sink you. There was no justification for not watching me at least night 1 and the fact that people just seemed to hand wave out away blew my mind.
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May 14, 2018 16:16
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Podima posted:Oh if you read the scumdoc please enjoy BK's absolutely inexplicable conspiracy theorizing about hidden socialists that got me irl angry at him after a long day of drinking at a beerfest. If Keane would’ve killed a socialist at night this would’ve all been worth it
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Podima posted:
lol this is what i said to yami in our masonry (didn't claim to bk obv) hey yami. before the end of today i want to let you know something. hope i'm not wrong in trusting you. i'm the cop. i have played poorly, though i didnt expect to get jumped on so hard! i think bk may be scum 3 masons, you are miller, i am cop, what is bk? if i was being a funny ecco maybe a godfather. telling u this in case i'm gunna get lunched w/o waking up again and because im suss of bk
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May 14, 2018 16:24
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Atomic Soda posted:lol Can confirm this. 
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I had nothing to do with pod pushing yami, it genuinely came out of nowhere and my reactions to that push were genuine. I was confused why people were going for him.
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May 14, 2018 16:33
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At that point Keane was suspicious of Yami from a cult perspective, and I was in a "sure buddy anything other than the guy who basically scumclaimed in our masonry" position to support it.
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May 14, 2018 16:35
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I should have died day 3, I hosed up too hard d1 in masonry and earned my death. Me living did kind of tank the game some, I apologize! I felt IRL bad about this.
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:I should have died day 3, I hosed up too hard d1 in masonry and earned my death. Me living did kind of tank the game some, I apologize! I felt IRL bad about this. I KNEW YOU WERE SCUM! So early, too. Why did everyone just ignore my "hey, this guy is acting differently from his town game" callout?
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Yami Fenrir posted:I KNEW YOU WERE SCUM! So early, too. Why did everyone just ignore my "hey, this guy is acting differently from his town game" callout?  You are good and I hope you keep playing
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May 14, 2018 16:55
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:
I'M TRYING! LET ME PLAY. JERKS. (I'm also currently working on a game I will be modding in the future. You are all invited when that happens.)
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May 14, 2018 16:57
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Oh man that last day though. Scum couldn't talk during the day, so AA and I were sweating bullets waiting to see if GX and BK would come in and end the game after IS dropped his vote and left for a few hours. Super tense!
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May 14, 2018 16:58
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Yami Fenrir posted:I'M TRYING! LET ME PLAY. Posts like this and eccos post game thoughts are gonna turn me into a Machiavellian Lumpenesque “any winning strategy is a good strategy” scum player But yeah yami you get good breaks and bad breaks in mafia, I wouldn’t sweat this one game too much.
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Podima posted:Oh man that last day though. Scum couldn't talk during the day, so AA and I were sweating bullets waiting to see if GX and BK would come in and end the game after IS dropped his vote and left for a few hours. Super tense! The annoying thing about this game is I had most of the setup nailed in my head; I figured scum were spread out among the masonries, I figured they couldn't talk during the day, and I also figured there was one scum left out of a masonry. But in my head it was one scum per masonry, not 2/1/0, and once IP flipped town I figured that meant Moat had to be scum
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May 14, 2018 17:08
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Yami Fenrir posted:I'M TRYING! LET ME PLAY. I honestly never thought that my post and dropping that vote were gonna go anywhere. I was legit astounded to come back to the game and see that you had been lynched.
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IllegallySober posted:The annoying thing about this game is I had most of the setup nailed in my head; I figured scum were spread out among the masonries, I figured they couldn't talk during the day, and I also figured there was one scum left out of a masonry. But in my head it was one scum per masonry, not 2/1/0, and once IP flipped town I figured that meant Moat had to be scum I cannot believe you didn't find him completely scummy in mason chat Town lynches town constantly
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Moatillata posted:I cannot believe you didn't find him completely scummy in mason chat I was shocked that you were town, honestly. I literally said I was sleeping and then you vote me while asking not to be voted because you're away.  That pinged my scumradar so hard I thought the scum team was you/aa/pod/bk. Max completely blindsided me by being super unreadable.
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Yami Fenrir posted:I was shocked that you were town, honestly. I literally said I was sleeping and then you vote me while asking not to be voted because you're away. 
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Moatillata posted:I cannot believe you didn't find him completely scummy in mason chat It's because he was a real Best Assassin Bro and not a Best Assassin Betrayer
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