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| [Lie] I'm Sami Zayn |
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I think Roman should come out to the American Males theme song. It’d at least stop the booing for twenty seconds while the crowd is utterly confused
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May 15, 2018 06:31
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The sad thing is this isn't even a new problem. WWE (primarily Vince, I'd assume) still seem adamant that the wrestlers are basically props that can be casually and easily swapped in and out of roles and the audience will just buy it because it's THE BRAND that is the true star. When crowds were begging for Daniel Bryan and thought of WWE as not supporting him, WWE took the message of,"We can slot anybody into that role and it will work" and thus we got that awful storyline where THE AUTHORITY was upset and frustrated because Roman Reigns was getting title opportunities. It didn't work then, now they're literally doing it all over again only this time with an even more prominent "the writers are changing the promised storylines because of POLITICS!" bent to it. Like somebody mentioned earlier, I think it would be hilarious if Roman actually got picked up by Hollywood and dumped WWE just so yet another of their "eggs in one basket" strategies could blow up in their face.
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May 15, 2018 06:32
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Lid posted:Punk is a heavily tattooed antiauthoritarian punk who has no filter between his moutg and his brain and would sooner break than bend that they wanted to fire from developmental and was only brought up because of Paul Heyman incessantly advocating for him. Quoting self because i just realised i have literally no idea what Roman's character is. Thos is like red letter media asking people to describe Han Solo and C3P0 without referring to their job or appearance and then the same with Qui-Gon Jinn and Princess Amidala. Edit: this has been my issue with Randy Orton for time immemorial too Lid fucked around with this message at 06:39 on May 15, 2018 |
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May 15, 2018 06:35
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NowonSA posted:Why the hell are Dolph and Mcintyre beating Finn and Braun? I guess it's kinda cool that they're being treated as people who can actually win matches, but there's got to be other bodies you can throw at them, at least initially. Gotta give the new people on each brand a push. Same reason why all the new women are winning on Smackdown.
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May 15, 2018 06:46
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Lid posted:Punk is a heavily tattooed antiauthoritarian punk who has no filter between his moutg and his brain and would sooner break than bend that they wanted to fire from developmental and was only brought up because of Paul Heyman incessantly advocating for him. Poop. From a butt. I think the terribleness of this entire RAW is encapsulated in having Finn Balor eat a clean pin from Dolph loving Ziggler in TYOL 2018. Lid posted:Quoting self because i just realised i have literally no idea what Roman's character is. Thos is like red letter media asking people to describe Han Solo and C3P0 without referring to their job or appearance and then the same with Qui-Gon Jinn and Princess Amidala. Randy had a character once. 'Cocky young rear end in a top hat who knows he's better than everyone and everything'. 'Pose, hoes, RKOs' was a thing. Then the writers got ahold of him and took everything remotely interesting out of his character, and he decided to wrestle at half speed. Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 06:50 on May 15, 2018 |
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May 15, 2018 06:47
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Dolph and Drew are collectively bigger than Braun and Finn so makes sense they won.
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May 15, 2018 06:54
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Roman Reigns is the toughest, strongest guy on the roster. he's cool and quiet, and he's witty and clever. he plays by his own rules, and doesn't back down from anything, be it authority, or the latest superstar to challenge him. he's a good employee who sets a standard for his fellow superstars. he tells it like it is, he shoots from the hip, and frankly, he doesn't care whether you approve or not. he's supremely talented in the ring, exalted among his peers, and his endurance is matched by none. he knows what he wants and he's not afraid to take it, because he believes.
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May 15, 2018 06:59
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Liquid Communism posted:
Incidentally silver spoon cocky rear end in a top hat would fit Roman to a tee and make organic sense. Like the fundamental thing of Punk and Bryan are these stories require an entire lifetime to establish. Romans wrestling storyline is football player from the Anoa'i royalty that got his big break in being hand picked to replace Kassius Ohno/Chris Hero. Run with that! Hell make him a wrestling beast that beats up everuone because he cant handle the pressure of these expectations for him to fit into the shoes of Yokozuna or The Rock and that rather than the authority screwing him over they are screwing him by making him gave all this pressure on him to be something he isnt - which incidentally WAS the main event Bryan storyline and would copy the fundamental isea of that he was a babyface by being true to himself.
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May 15, 2018 07:04
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I was with my mom on mother's day (shocking I know), and she mentioned that she had heard or seen that there was a wrestling show last weekend that was bad and she asked me if I knew about it. I was all ready to leap into a thirty minute explanation of The Saga of Roman Reigns but then I realized I would have to go back to 2013 and I just stopped. This poo poo's been going on for five years holy poo poo just staaaaaahp.
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May 15, 2018 07:05
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Roman needs to co-opt Nakamura’s ball-punching gimmick, but instead of punching people in their nuts, he kicks them in the nuts. And he does it with such intense Big Dog-esque force, they immediately start puking all over the place while their eyes are watering. Roman’s new theme song is Kickstart My Heart by Mötley Crüe, also. It’s got a memorable opening hook! Vince Neil will probably license the song for a handshake an a BLT sandwich. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrOemQaEJGU
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May 15, 2018 07:06
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All wrestling things need an identifiable opening sound. I recommend stadium lights turning on and a chk chkDun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WccfbPQNMbg
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May 15, 2018 07:10
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Jerusalem posted:The sad thing is this isn't even a new problem. WWE (primarily Vince, I'd assume) still seem adamant that the wrestlers are basically props that can be casually and easily swapped in and out of roles and the audience will just buy it because it's THE BRAND that is the true star. When crowds were begging for Daniel Bryan and thought of WWE as not supporting him, WWE took the message of,"We can slot anybody into that role...  Stephanie still does the yes chant when she has an announcement.
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May 15, 2018 07:12
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A question for those who watched: Were Bo and Axel heel vs. The Fashion Police? Which team was more over, if at all? Where do you think they are going with Bo and Axel? Will it end in a damp fart like all of the other 'comedy' stables that the WWE has lumped these two entertaining performers? I miss the slow burn of Bo's streak, and I hated the way they unceremoniously ended it with R-Truth and never spoke of it again. I truly believe that Curtis Axel is better in ring, on mic, and in general than the powers that be ever give him credit for. And I like their Bulk and Skull dynamic, (which is stolen from the old Rybaxel days.)
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May 15, 2018 07:27
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BrigadierSensible posted:A question for those who watched: the fashion police were more over. both teams were over and i wasn't paying enough attention to notice if they were working heel if the WWE was smart the B-team would work a short program with Hardy and Wyatt and then team up and make a stable of weird guys. they could play off Bray and Bo being brothers. but they won't do this and the angle won't go anywhere and the B-team probably won't have a speaking role on Raw after this angle.
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May 15, 2018 07:30
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Faustian Bargain posted:Remember when they said Daniel Bryan was only “chant over” and then tried to transfer it to big show The thing is they can show that with guys like No Way Jose and Tye Dillinger, but both things are ignoring that the chant is one thing versus their actual ability. The Rock was only "chant over" and was a series of catch phrases the crowd would chant along to but you'd be insane to think that The Rock's chants were why he was The Rock. Of course they only remember the failures, never the successes.
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May 15, 2018 07:33
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I know why they are bring back Hogan. Because Roman beating up a hogan that isn’t sorry might get him over
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May 15, 2018 07:51
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I wanted Dolph to win but not like this! NOT LIKE THIS! 
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May 15, 2018 07:52
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Seriously everyone go watch Roman spear Jinder through cardboard. It's something special and I don't feel like it's getting enough attention.
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May 15, 2018 07:54
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Concerned that Vince will want to put his fingerprints on Almas whether it be a cape or a cool catchphrase https://twitter.com/AndradeCienWWE/status/996279886946816000
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May 15, 2018 08:02
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Lid posted:Quoting self because i just realised i have literally no idea what Roman's character is.
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May 15, 2018 08:05
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Faustian Bargain posted:Remember when they said Daniel Bryan was only “chant over” and then tried to transfer it to big show To be fair, they played chicken with Zack Ryder and Tye Dillinger too and they absolutely got derailed and didn't recover
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May 15, 2018 08:12
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Ragnarok the Red posted:Real talk: would Roman even be cheered over Muhammad Hassan at this point? No, Hassan's theme has a nostalgic meme element to it, plus it's great for interrupting lovely promos.
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May 15, 2018 08:31
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rovert posted:Concerned that Vince will want to put his fingerprints on Almas whether it be a cape or a cool catchphrase I have an awful feeling that Almas will be the ultimate example of great talent being completely wasted on the main roster. I just can't see Vince handling an act like Almas & Vega the right way. Edit: Like they'll probably get Maria & Mike Kanellis'ed in a matter of weeks or something a cyborg mug fucked around with this message at 08:37 on May 15, 2018 |
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May 15, 2018 08:32
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extradite THIS! posted:I have an awful feeling that Almas will be the ultimate example of great talent being completely wasted on the main roster. I just can't see Vince handling an act like Almas & Vega the right way.
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May 15, 2018 08:52
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Become comedy jobbers who are barely on TV and then vanish forever, yes
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May 15, 2018 08:54
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Lid posted:Quoting self because i just realised i have literally no idea what Roman's character is. Thos is like red letter media asking people to describe Han Solo and C3P0 without referring to their job or appearance and then the same with Qui-Gon Jinn and Princess Amidala. Roman has had many really strong character moments over the years. His feud with Bryan when his blood-streamed face screamed WAIT TILL SUNDAY after weeks of being taunted by the absolute certainty on Bryan's part that their match was in the bag. His many small interactions of friendship and rivalry with Ambrose during the long chase for revenge on Seth. The time he torpedoed himself like 20 feet down the ramp to give Big Show on the best spears in WWE history. His first match with Brock where as the situation grew more and more hopeless he just started laughing despite being barely able to sit up. His reactions to and interactions with AJ during their one-on-one in the One Vs All Rumble. For all of the baggage around it and the comedy of the 20 minute rain of boos, "This is my yard now," will stick in people's memories for years to come. Roman's big issue as a CHARACTER is that nothing ever tied together the pieces. The waters have been hopelessly muddled by contradictory storylines and motivations, mixed messaging, and an attempt to shoehorn him into things that have worked for others but make no sense for him. Their attempts to find a magic bullet to fix him while also refusing to take him off TV or depush him or turn him, the things you normally do when attempting to reboot a character, have made him a complete cipher. IMO the biggest reason Dean was the hottest guy out of the shield for so long was because he was never that kind of cipher. He had clear motivations and a coherent concept to his character that allowed them to expand him and make him work in a huge variety of situations without the facade of who he was crumbling. Stone Cold once said that the thing holding Rollins back was this same issue, him being a collection of traits without a coherent center of gravity in the form of a motivation or image holding them together, and one the reasons he's gotten so hot is because that problem had been fixed. For Roman is may never be fixed because they won't allow Roman to experience the kind of in-universe consequences, character development, breaking down and rebuilding that Seth got to experience over the last two years since his face turn, or that Dean had consistently through the first two years after the Shield breakup.
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May 15, 2018 08:56
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sticklefifer posted:It's verbatim X-Pac's post-DX gimmick: "I was in a popular stable once. Kept the clothes and got a remix of the song. Remember how much you liked that stable?" Roman even has X-Pac heat to seal the comparison. Yo you're lookin' at the roman factor.
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May 15, 2018 08:56
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One difference is that Mike & Maria are comedy jobber level talents while Vega and Almas are above it. But i understand that won't stop Vincent
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May 15, 2018 08:59
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Sanguinia posted:Roman has had many really strong character moments over the years. His feud with Bryan when his blood-streamed face screamed WAIT TILL SUNDAY after weeks of being taunted by the absolute certainty on Bryan's part that their match was in the bag. His many small interactions of friendship and rivalry with Ambrose during the long chase for revenge on Seth. The time he torpedoed himself like 20 feet down the ramp to give Big Show on the best spears in WWE history. His first match with Brock where as the situation grew more and more hopeless he just started laughing despite being barely able to sit up. His reactions to and interactions with AJ during their one-on-one in the One Vs All Rumble. For all of the baggage around it and the comedy of the 20 minute rain of boos, "This is my yard now," will stick in people's memories for years to come. All these events you mentioned and I literally can't remember any of them except maybe the spear. When I think of Roman biggest moments the first (and essentially only) thing that comes to mind is "c'mon guys, i'm not a bad guy, i'm not a good guy, i am THE guy" which is the saddest thing in the world but the smug smirks when he says "c'mon guys" might be the most authentic thing Roman has ever done. Edit: oh and his first Rumble appearance where he was beating everyone, threw out both Shield mates to cheers, and people really really wanted him rather than Batista (with Bryan gone) hell i barely remember his second Rumble appearance apart form the Rock hand raise, most of my memories of that were the sight of Kane and the Big Show dumping Dolph and Dean over the top rope and Bryan getting tossed randomly by Bray
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May 15, 2018 09:03
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Cavauro posted:One difference is that Mike & Maria are comedy jobber level talents while Vega and Almas are above it. But i understand that won't stop Vincent Which, if it happens, would be extra maddening since Almas is basically everything Vince has been looking for in a new Mexican superstar apart from not having the best English in the world (which shouldn't loving matter, especially with Vega there).
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May 15, 2018 09:03
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Molestationary Store posted:Yo you're lookin' at the roman factor. I know you hate
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May 15, 2018 09:06
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Brie doesn't hold back https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKbRBJrlfY8
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May 15, 2018 09:15
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Brie sounds so much more natural than Nikki does in that clip, even though I'm sure it's 200% scripted either way.
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May 15, 2018 09:23
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Lid posted:Incidentally silver spoon cocky rear end in a top hat would fit Roman to a tee and make organic sense. Like the fundamental thing of Punk and Bryan are these stories require an entire lifetime to establish. Romans wrestling storyline is football player from the Anoa'i royalty that got his big break in being hand picked to replace Kassius Ohno/Chris Hero. Run with that! Hell make him a wrestling beast that beats up everuone because he cant handle the pressure of these expectations for him to fit into the shoes of Yokozuna or The Rock and that rather than the authority screwing him over they are screwing him by making him gave all this pressure on him to be something he isnt - which incidentally WAS the main event Bryan storyline and would copy the fundamental isea of that he was a babyface by being true to himself. Can we just quietly replace him with Hero instead? I know -I- wouldn't be complaining about Hero having his 5th WWE Universal Title match this year...
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May 15, 2018 09:27
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Liquid Communism posted:Can we just quietly replace him with Hero instead? I know -I- wouldn't be complaining about Hero having his 5th WWE Universal Title match this year...
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May 15, 2018 09:31
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Molestationary Store posted:Yo you're lookin' at the roman factor. Sanguinia posted:The time he torpedoed himself like 20 feet down the ramp to give Big Show on the best spears in WWE history. sticklefifer fucked around with this message at 09:35 on May 15, 2018 |
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May 15, 2018 09:31
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Liquid Communism posted:Can we just quietly replace him with Hero instead? I know -I- wouldn't be complaining about Hero having his 5th WWE Universal Title match this year... I have no memory of Roman ever being champion. I know he has had the belt but when i visualise Austin i see a smoking skull, Rock tge big eagle on his shoulder, Triple H holsing the belt aloft while spitting, Cena always with the spinner... Roman... an empty vest. Hes closer to Mankind really. He may be handpicked to be the face but he is not a champion. Edit: scratch that hes Matt Morgan with commentary saying hes The Blueprint of what a champion should look like but gently caress Matt Morgan ever being champion
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May 15, 2018 09:44
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*boos Roman loudly* "I'm a large dog" *booing intensifies* *Vince nods and smiles*
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May 15, 2018 09:58
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Roman is a biproduct of Vince's thinking that nobody is bigger than the WWE Brand and he's right in a begrudging way. No matter how much people hate Roman, they'll still tune in to watch a AJ Styles vs Nakamura match end in a double DQ or "only" pay for the WWE Network to watch old PPVs and NXT Takeover
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 The fact the corridor behind it was there was bad enough, but leaving the sign up made it even clearer it was put up for the spot in the cheapest way possible.
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