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People sure make a lot out of "summers off" without realizing that it is actually 6-8 weeks and that teachers work a shitload of uncompensated time during the school year. Teachers I know show up to work a hour before school starts, work a hour or so after the bell rings, and then work at home for an hour or two every weekday with additional hours on the weekend. Schools also consider student passing time to be part of contractually mandated prep time, but then turn around and pressure teachers to monitor the halls during this time because budget cuts mean there are no paid hall monitors. In my state they start at around 40k for someone with a masters degree, and hey budget cuts every year could cause you to loose your job at any time in the first 5 years in a district. There simply isn't money for a lot of the basics that the teacher will then need to buy or do without. Trump's tax plan has made it so they will no longer be able to deduct this expense on their taxes. In some districts kids don't when have loving pencils because they are too poor to buy them and the school won't, so teachers pay out of pocket.
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The White Dragon posted:i take issue with common core because it's riddled with extraneous corpo language bullshit. it doesn't carry over to, or even teach, established terminology so there's gonna be this huge language divide between people who call it a Divisor and people who call it a Cooperative Deconstruction Informer is there a smilie that is like  but instead it's a minion? because if there is someone should quote your post and use the minion smilie that makes it look like it's a minion that is saying your post
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May 16, 2018 06:55
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Dogmeat posted:is there a smilie that is like i'm so sorry for your ororrhea
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May 16, 2018 07:29
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Hi I teach high school algebra to kids of below average intelligence and some with emotional and behavioral problems. People saying "just give the kids calculators" are wrong. It's fine to use calculators once you get to high school. But I get lots of kids who have zero conceptual understanding of even the most basic math. They cannot add, subtract, multiply or divide single-digit numbers without using a calculator. If I ask "what is six times zero?", they need to check on a calculator - they do not know. Obviously being unable to do even the simplest operation mentally makes learning more complex concepts very, very difficult and time consuming for these kids. They can't manipulate fractions, can't find common factors, can't perform operations with negative integers, exponents, decimals, scientific notation, can't estimate, can't round, they have no idea if the answers they get even make sense given the question. Fluency in basic operations is a prerequisite to "higher" math. I'm not talking higher like calc, I mean higher like Algebra 1, Geometry 1, you know, high school graduation requirement-type courses. These kids were done such a disservice by their elementary and middle school teachers. It is very sad, because they don't want to feel dumb, don't want to struggle, but they simply lack tools. That is the root of a lot of the behavior problems I deal with on a daily basis, too; they would rather be a "bad kid" than a dumb kid, so they will do anything, and I mean anything, to get out of classwork. Of course they need to engage MORE and work HARDER than the honors kids to remediate skill gaps while simultaneously acquiring new content knowledge, but many of them have totally disengaged from school and from learning; they haven't given a poo poo for years in some cases. People who say teaching is easy and overpaid make me feel a little peeved. Yeah it's easy if you are teaching the top 10% of motivated Advanced Placement white kids, which is probably what a lot of goons remember from school. Those kids teach themselves, basically, yeah its easy as hell. Get down in the pits with the lower end. You have no idea how dysfunctional a lot of kids and families are. Come do my job for a month and tell me its easy.
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May 16, 2018 07:40
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therobit posted:
I give out about 10 pencils a day. Probably over 1000 pencils per school year. Not only do kids not bring supplies to school, anything you give them, they will lose in a day or two, or forget at home, or whatever. Then it is an excuse to do nothing in class. "What, mister? I don't have a pencil!" I have to start every class period by asking who needs pencils. I have to provide notebooks, binders, paper - basically anything we are going to use, assume half the class can't afford it, will forget, or doesn't care enough to bother to go to Wal-mart or whatever to buy it.
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May 16, 2018 07:45
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Teachers should be the highest paid profession after doctors, IMO.
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May 16, 2018 07:50
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Applewhite posted:Teachers should be the highest paid profession after doctors, IMO. i think you mean after computer janitors. 
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May 16, 2018 08:06
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If I'd stayed in teaching, I'd have been giving out free pencils Heath Ledger's Joker style.
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May 16, 2018 08:13
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this is getting out of hand we need a war on math and to prosecute this irregularity with the same celerity and potence that we interdict terror
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May 16, 2018 08:15
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proctorbot posted:I give out about 10 pencils a day. Probably over 1000 pencils per school year. Not only do kids not bring supplies to school, anything you give them, they will lose in a day or two, or forget at home, or whatever. My favourite are the kids who break the pencils in half as soon as they are finished with them.
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May 16, 2018 08:48
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thats just a natural byproduct of consumerism
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May 16, 2018 08:49
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Numbers basically fall out of my head and I read 'em backwards half the time, so I'm really bad at maths I don't understand any of these multiplication methods!! checkmate goons!!
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May 16, 2018 09:39
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also no goku??
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May 16, 2018 09:40
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proctorbot posted:Hi I teach high school algebra to kids of below average intelligence and some with emotional and behavioral problems. As a math failson who struggled in high school because he did not have these concepts reinforced in middle school thanks to uncaring teachers, I agree with all of this
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May 16, 2018 09:42
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super sweet best pal posted:Aren't those basically the same thing written differently? On the left you do 7*59+2*59*10=(7*5*10+7*9)+(2*5*10*10+2*9*10)=(350+63)+(1000+180)=1593 On the right you go straight to 7*5*10+7*9+2*5*10*10+2*9*10 The right method would be harder to adapt to multiply fractional numbers with fixed point though
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May 16, 2018 10:04
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proctorbot posted:I give out about 10 pencils a day. Probably over 1000 pencils per school year. Not only do kids not bring supplies to school, anything you give them, they will lose in a day or two, or forget at home, or whatever. When we forgot pencils back in school first they'd make another student lend you one, and if nobody had an extra they just had a bunch of those lovely waxy half-pencils with no eraser to hand out. I'd never let students "borrow" a real pencil.
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May 16, 2018 10:07
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proctorbot posted:I give out about 10 pencils a day. Probably over 1000 pencils per school year. Not only do kids not bring supplies to school, anything you give them, they will lose in a day or two, or forget at home, or whatever. You can get 1000 #2 pencils for $80 on Amazon and 160 spiral notebooks for about the same price. The IRS provides a $250/year tax credit to teachers who buy their own supplies. This does not justify you making the same salary as a GP, engineer, or whatever. Also keep in mind you get half the loving year off to go do whatever you want.
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May 16, 2018 10:49
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Even if teaching was the easiest and most leisurely job ever (and it's not lol) teachers would still be criminally underpaid. I feel like most people who rail against teachers come from a very sheltered background of private or home schooling.
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May 16, 2018 11:39
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id send the kids home if they didnt have their own stationary set i praise you teachers but you gotta stop taking on jobs that arnt your own
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May 16, 2018 11:39
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Gobblecoque posted:Even if teaching was the easiest and most leisurely job ever (and it's not lol) teachers would still be criminally underpaid. I feel like most people who rail against teachers come from a very sheltered background of private or home schooling. People who rail against teachers should be run out of town on a rail after being tarred and feathered.
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May 16, 2018 11:59
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Return Of JimmyJars posted:You can get 1000 #2 pencils for $80 on Amazon and 160 spiral notebooks for about the same price. The IRS provides a $250/year tax credit to teachers who buy their own supplies.
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May 16, 2018 12:39
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Didnt read the last 3 pages but box method is fine, its easy and less intimidating to multiply by numbers ending in 0, and the secluded single digit isn't too hard for kids since by the time they learn box method they're comfortable with single digit multiplication Idk what that gene chart piglatin is though
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May 16, 2018 12:41
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Return Of JimmyJars posted:You can get 1000 #2 pencils for $80 on Amazon and 160 spiral notebooks for about the same price. The IRS provides a $250/year tax credit to teachers who buy their own supplies. this is one of the reasons why education will always be poo poo in america
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May 16, 2018 12:48
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Max Hammer posted:Math is one of those things that is not stressed as much as it was when I was in school, and now we have kids who can't make change for a buck. Hence, less STEM students. Also kids want to get laid eventually hence less STEM students.
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May 16, 2018 13:14
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Lactose Is Wack posted:this is one of the reasons why education will always be poo poo in america Its pretty funny when you see IT janitors that either bullshitted their way into their job or at best trained for half as long as teachers do complain about teachers wanting benefits and decent pay. Every single one of them would crack after a day of trying to teach anything to a room of 12 y/o's
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May 16, 2018 13:26
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Is elementary math the kind of thing that if not mastered by a certain age/grade it’s less likely that you’ll ever get there? I’ve heard that about reading where third grade is the make or break point.
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May 16, 2018 13:56
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Neurolimal posted:Its pretty funny when you see IT janitors that either bullshitted their way into their job or at best trained for half as long as teachers do complain about teachers wanting benefits and decent pay. Every single one of them would crack after a day of trying to teach anything to a room of 12 y/o's just because something is hard doesn't make it virtuous. its not on anyone else if you're working at mcdonalds but your driving yourself crazy trying to get it a michelin star.
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May 16, 2018 14:14
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The thing that gets me is that they teach these methods, which seem like some sort of aberrant blood-magic to some people, but it is a perfectly valid multiplication method. The problem is that they don't allow the ability to use OTHER perfectly valid methods. If a kid is better at the classical methods of multiplication and division, there's no reason to reject that as an incorrect answer. Math doesn't care about your opinions or your styles - all that matters is getting the right answer.
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Tinfoil Papercut posted:The thing that gets me is that they teach these methods, which seem like some sort of aberrant blood-magic to some people, but it is a perfectly valid multiplication method. At this level of math yes but when you start looking at calculus, proofs and the like it needs to be standard or is really hard for peer review or discourse to occur, so I think they try to go for homogeneity early on to set a trend.
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May 16, 2018 14:33
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Common core was invented by Hillary Clinton as a method of grooming children for pedophiles.
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May 16, 2018 14:41
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Elukka posted:Yeah, some random job that's just one of the most vital roles in society and fairly demanding at least if you want to be remotely good at it? gently caress that, shouldn't make as much as an engineer. Lol yes a full back breaking day of standing in front of 20-30 kids slowly reading a PowerPoint is soooo hard and demanding. gently caress you roughnecks, longshoreman, and heavy machinery mechanics the toughest job is being a teacher!! 90% of teachers could be replaced with a YouTube video.
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May 16, 2018 14:41
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heh, maybe these teachers should try selling their labor on the free market if they want to see what they're worth
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May 16, 2018 15:07
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When I was little, I thought teachers had to live at the school. Like they wouldn't have an actual house or apartment or anything, they had to clear off their desk at night to sleep on it. Reality isn't much better.
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Return Of JimmyJars posted:Lol yes a full back breaking day of standing in front of 20-30 kids slowly reading a PowerPoint is soooo hard and demanding. gently caress you roughnecks, longshoreman, and heavy machinery mechanics the toughest job is being a teacher!! Maybe one of the reasons there are so many bad teachers are attitudes like yours.  VelociBacon posted:At this level of math yes but when you start looking at calculus, proofs and the like it needs to be standard or is really hard for peer review or discourse to occur, so I think they try to go for homogeneity early on to set a trend. Elukka fucked around with this message at 15:18 on May 16, 2018 |
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May 16, 2018 15:13
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Blue Train posted:Subtraction multiplication addition all easy it's division that is bs I've completely forgotten how to do long division and I don't care lol
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May 16, 2018 15:14
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maybe i'm just extremely exceptionally smart, but i intuited the "box method" by myself. didn't realize that way of multiplication had a name or that people needed to be taught it
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May 16, 2018 15:24
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I tried long form vs. box method, but everytime my dick always averages out to must under four inches. This is highly disturbing.
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May 16, 2018 15:26
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Subtraction is the best because it reaffirms that everything in life and the universe will inevitably fade away to eternal nothingness.
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May 16, 2018 15:58
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LordArgh posted:maybe i'm just extremely exceptionally smart, but i intuited the "box method" by myself. didn't realize that way of multiplication had a name or that people needed to be taught it 15 ppl itt made this very post, so no, you're not exceptionally smart. Seem kinda stupid really lol.
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I do all kinds of hosed up math every day but I don't think I've even seen a number in years. I leave that poo poo for the computer 
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