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I recently remembered and re-read some of the Authority series from the early 2000s. I know that Midnighter and Apollo have become somewhat integrated into the main dc stuff but has the rest of team appeared recently?
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Ellis is using Authority characters in his Wild Storm series, but that's a spin off of the main DC universe (DC characters appear in the Michael Cray title, but, er, they're not the same).
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May 14, 2018 16:25
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Grifter had a solo title in the New 52 and was last seen in Future's End. He hasn't been around since, presumably because no one gave a poo poo about any of that. edit: oh never mind, you said recent. Ignore me then.
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May 14, 2018 17:07
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What's the deal with Longshot in the 90s? His storyarc of him over throwing Mojoworld from Mojo 2 is super confusing. I'm not following it at all
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May 16, 2018 01:21
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Sinners Sandwich posted:What's the deal with Longshot in the 90s? His storyarc of him over throwing Mojoworld from Mojo 2 is super confusing. I'm not following it at all Impossible to follow storylines are kind of the standard for x-characters in the 90s.
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May 16, 2018 02:15
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Not sure how to word this. It seems like comic characters immediately relevant continuity goes back maybe a few years usually. What are some examples of characters referencing that it hasn't been that long in their world since the 70s, 80s, or 90s? Like Spider-Man right now will be like "Doc Ock! You took over my brain!" like it just happened, but if he were like "Doc Ock, the man who tried to marry my aunt and also hijacked that plane one time and tore my mask off in front of J Jonah Jameson!"
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May 17, 2018 03:50
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Unmature posted:Not sure how to word this. Any time Gwen is brought up.
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May 17, 2018 03:58
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Unmature posted:Not sure how to word this. The current Rogue Gambit series had them dealing with baggage from when they first met, which is almost 30 years ago.
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May 17, 2018 04:14
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Unmature posted:Not sure how to word this. It's something that comes up in background all the time and people always shift the scale around. In the early 80's, Chris Claremont made a point of giving the X-Men a Christmas story every two years, his way of saying Marvel time was twice as fast as real time. Of course, that was when they only had twenty years of continuity to patch over. I've got two fun examples of someone laying down a hard time scale and weirdly enough they both revolve around Ben Grimm. In Dan Slott's Thing series, it turns out that Ben never got a Bah Mitzvah. But he's reconnecting with his roots and a rabbi suggests that it's coming up on the thirteenth anniversary of the rocket flight so he could have one then. The other interesting one is a Fantastic Four annual from the late 90's where the story was that Ben gets teleported to an alternate earth where Reed Richards built and launched his rocket in 1961. So Ben gets to see a FF that's got over twenty years on his timeline.
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May 17, 2018 04:34
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In the current Batman series, Bruce and Selina (Catwoman) argue about their first meeting. One references Batman #1, and the other, Frank Miller's Year One.
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May 17, 2018 04:46
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Random Stranger posted:It's something that comes up in background all the time and people always shift the scale around. In the early 80's, Chris Claremont made a point of giving the X-Men a Christmas story every two years, his way of saying Marvel time was twice as fast as real time. Of course, that was when they only had twenty years of continuity to patch over. That's the time where Marvel time starts to get weird. Kitty ages in real time for a while in his run while other characters don't really. There are pretty oblique references in 60s Marvel to time moving normally until a couple years in when they start to slow it down.
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May 17, 2018 04:58
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Unmature posted:That's the time where Marvel time starts to get weird. Kitty ages in real time for a while in his run while other characters don't really. There are pretty oblique references in 60s Marvel to time moving normally until a couple years in when they start to slow it down. I think the time in the Marvel universe was a 1:1 ratio until Stan Lee stepped down as editor. Then in the seventies some people try to make it work (Roy Thomas in particular seems to have gone that way) but it isn't that long until the time scale becomes a problem and people just start to gently gloss over things.
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May 17, 2018 05:06
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Nah, Franklin never really aged in real time, and he's a Lee/Kirby creation.
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May 17, 2018 05:09
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Did Spider-Man still go on Conan when he first got his powers? I was pretty excited when they bumped that one up. I guess now he would've gone on the TBS show or maybe even The Tonight Show 
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May 17, 2018 05:14
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Unmature posted:Did Spider-Man still go on Conan when he first got his powers? I was pretty excited when they bumped that one up. I guess now he would've gone on the TBS show or maybe even The Tonight Show He goes on Kimmel (it's an ABC show) while over on The Tonight Show on the same night Norman Osborn gets his weird hair touched by Fallon.
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May 17, 2018 05:20
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It's interesting that Claremont got Professor X and Magneto into much younger bodies relatively early, I guess he saw the problem relatively early.
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May 17, 2018 05:24
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Lobok posted:He goes on Kimmel (it's an ABC show) while over on The Tonight Show on the same night Norman Osborn gets his weird hair touched by Fallon. And Corden has Dazzler on Carpool Karaoke
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May 17, 2018 06:07
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Weird comic book time is why I love Legion so much. What time period does it take place in? Who knows?! Who cares?! Just go with it!! Edit:. The show. I'm not feeling this newest mini series, especially after how his last series ended.
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May 17, 2018 06:42
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There's something really nice about those 80s Claremont comics where continuity is only slightly squashed and time seems to actually be passing. Kitty aging in real time is genuinely refreshing to read if you're used to the eternal stasis of modern comics. Rogue ages, too - she starts off as a teenager not much older than Kitty. This isn't something anyone can do a lot about though, it's just a consequence of the age of the medium. You can't really get that dynamic back when you're working with 60 years of continuity to squash as opposed to 20.
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May 17, 2018 09:20
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Kitty is 13 when she is introduced in 1980 (?) as I recall, then she seems to age in real time throughout the 80s until she's maybe 18 by the end of the decade, but then one of the last Claremont issues of Excalibur from around 1991 portrays her fifteenth birthday.
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May 17, 2018 09:23
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I also think it's really interesting, as others have pointed out, how much the dynamic of Captain America has changed since the 60s. When he was re-introduced he was constantly mingling with people who knew him 20 years ago and were still basically in the prime of their life after fighting in the war. With each passing decade he became less a hero of a recent conflict and more a revenant from an ancient time. You can actually watch the age of the war veteran side characters he interacts with gradually wiggle up while the age of all the other characters he interacts with stays peacefully static. And now, of course, we're in the era where someone can't be like, "Cap, I fought with you back in WW2!" unless they drank a wizard's potion or underwent gene conditioning or whatever. It's a huge change from what a lot of his classic stories were about.
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May 17, 2018 09:29
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Unmature posted:And Corden has Dazzler on Carpool Karaoke Dazzler falls in love with Harvey Weinstein. Man, gently caress that graphic novel. Seriously disturbing.
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May 17, 2018 11:57
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Android Blues posted:I also think it's really interesting, as others have pointed out, how much the dynamic of Captain America has changed since the 60s. When he was re-introduced he was constantly mingling with people who knew him 20 years ago and were still basically in the prime of their life after fighting in the war. With each passing decade he became less a hero of a recent conflict and more a revenant from an ancient time. You can actually watch the age of the war veteran side characters he interacts with gradually wiggle up while the age of all the other characters he interacts with stays peacefully static.
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Android Blues posted:I also think it's really interesting, as others have pointed out, how much the dynamic of Captain America has changed since the 60s. When he was re-introduced he was constantly mingling with people who knew him 20 years ago and were still basically in the prime of their life after fighting in the war. With each passing decade he became less a hero of a recent conflict and more a revenant from an ancient time. You can actually watch the age of the war veteran side characters he interacts with gradually wiggle up while the age of all the other characters he interacts with stays peacefully static. To be fair 20 years was still a big loving chunk of time for him to have lost back then and there was still a lot of "man out of time" stuff, it just wasn't quite so severe. Halloween Jack posted:Amen. I miss Arnie Roth. It's funny how they basically took Arnie Roth's backstory for movie Bucky.
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May 17, 2018 19:17
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Lurdiak posted:To be fair 20 years was still a big loving chunk of time for him to have lost back then and there was still a lot of "man out of time" stuff, it just wasn't quite so severe. I don't know, once you explain 9/11 and smart phones I don't think someone frozen in their early twenties would have a hard time adjusting from 1998 to 2018. Hell, you just need to show them the clip from the terminator tv show and you're halfway there.
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Skwirl posted:I don't know, once you explain 9/11 and smart phones I don't think someone frozen in their early twenties would have a hard time adjusting from 1998 to 2018. Hell, you just need to show them the clip from the terminator tv show and you're halfway there. The amount of change we experience is hard to see when you’re experiencing it daily. It would be a massive change.
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May 17, 2018 19:51
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Unmature posted:Not sure how to word this. The one that stands out to me is from a Spider-Man storyline from 1982 called "Nothing Can Stop the Juggernaut." Spider-Man fights Juggernaut and ends up beating him by dropping him into a bunch of cement. Good times. Then in 2010 there's a storyline called "Something Can Stop the Juggernaut" about a guy who gets the Captain Universe powers and uses them to get revenge on Juggernaut because a Juggernaut rampage from that previous story cost him his job or whatever. In the end, Juggernaut becomes Captain Universe in order to prevent an earthquake that's about to tear apart NYC. The earthquake is apparently caused from the damage Juggernaut did escaping that cement prison... from several months ago.
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Gavok posted:The one that stands out to me is from a Spider-Man storyline from 1982 called "Nothing Can Stop the Juggernaut." Spider-Man fights Juggernaut and ends up beating him by dropping him into a bunch of cement. Good times. Even assuming that Spider-Man's days are VERY BUSY, there would be enough visual and textual references to time passing that this is impossible. Kraven's Last Hunt alone has Spider-Man out of the picture for two weeks.
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May 17, 2018 21:59
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Lobok posted:Even assuming that Spider-Man's days are VERY BUSY, there would be enough visual and textual references to time passing that this is impossible. Hell, we saw when Juggy broke out, and it was in the late 100s of Uncanny X-Men.
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May 17, 2018 23:40
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So does Electro still have an utterly stupid costume? (assuming he's still around)
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May 18, 2018 03:23
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It's somehow gotten even stupider.
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May 18, 2018 03:38
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Jordan7hm posted:The amount of change we experience is hard to see when you’re experiencing it daily. From 1998? I don't think it's as dramatic as you're implying. I was already an adult in 1998 and the world isn't all *that* different today than it was then. There have been a lot of advancements but the early stages of those advances were already present then. Cell phones were already becoming ubiquitous. The dotcom boom was gearing up. Computers were already in a ton of houses. There's some amount of culture shock, but it's not that drastic. Now, if you want to back that up 10 years to 1988 - I think you've got a point.
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I was also an adult in the late 90s and I think the culture shock would be insane. Like, sure cellphones were everywhere and almost everyone had a computer, but not everybody had a computer on them at all times connected to the internet where they uploaded all of their photos and kept in contact with everyone all the time - but also that's just technology. An entire xenophobic culture has germinated and spored across Western civilisation since the late 90s; the concept of privacy is basically reducible to the word 'no'; and there's an entire form of communication that is literally nothing but references to pop culture. And that's barely scratching the surface. Like, Steve Rogers probably felt out of time because the social mores of his age had largely been moved past in the wake of the trauma of the war and there were no more nazis to punch. From the 90s to now there's been a radical change in social consciousness and social expression, on top of a bunch of political change brought in by the trauma of 9/11, and it turns out the nazis are now in every single country instead of just Germany.
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May 18, 2018 07:51
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Look, at least he can punch Nazis again.
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Ghostlight posted:I was also an adult in the late 90s and I think the culture shock would be insane. Like, sure cellphones were everywhere and almost everyone had a computer, but not everybody had a computer on them at all times connected to the internet where they uploaded all of their photos and kept in contact with everyone all the time - but also that's just technology. An entire xenophobic culture has germinated and spored across Western civilisation since the late 90s; the concept of privacy is basically reducible to the word 'no'; and there's an entire form of communication that is literally nothing but references to pop culture. And that's barely scratching the surface.
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Synthbuttrange posted:Look, at least he can punch Nazis again. Except whoops Captain America is the nazis. I'd read a comic that was Steve punching himself in the face repeatedly but idk if anyone else would.
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Jedi posted:From 1998? I don't think it's as dramatic as you're implying. I was already an adult in 1998 and the world isn't all *that* different today than it was then. There have been a lot of advancements but the early stages of those advances were already present then. Cell phones were already becoming ubiquitous. The dotcom boom was gearing up. Computers were already in a ton of houses. There's some amount of culture shock, but it's not that drastic. Now, if you want to back that up 10 years to 1988 - I think you've got a point. What Ghostlight said, basically. You’re underplaying the scope of the change. The technology is one thing, but the changes culturally as a result of that technology are as drastic as the changes caused by television, radio, and the printing press, compressed into a couple decades. Our relationship with information is fundamentally different than it was twenty years ago.
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The development of computerized internet based social media alone within the last ten years is a game changer
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site posted:The development of computerized internet based social media alone within the last ten years is a game changer  [edited for brevity]
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Android Blues posted:I also think it's really interesting, as others have pointed out, how much the dynamic of Captain America has changed since the 60s. When he was re-introduced he was constantly mingling with people who knew him 20 years ago and were still basically in the prime of their life after fighting in the war. With each passing decade he became less a hero of a recent conflict and more a revenant from an ancient time. You can actually watch the age of the war veteran side characters he interacts with gradually wiggle up while the age of all the other characters he interacts with stays peacefully static. Cap's great because unlike Punisher, The Flash, or Spider-Man, nobody will ever have the need to revamp his origin. It only gets better the further out we get from WWII.
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