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Elantris isn’t a bad book, it’s just rough. He uses interstitial chapters as a crutch even when it doesn’t make sense and interrupts the narrative, and the main characters have a bit of Mary Sue syndrome, but it still shows the potential that Sanderson has now demonstrated.
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Elantris is only bad by comparison to his later books. It's still good! I think it suffers a bit by the rigid adherence to the PoV shifts, and it kinda ends right as it's getting awesome. But it's still a good read, and once you're deep into Cosmere stuff there's a lot going on under the hood that's really interesting.
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May 14, 2018 02:22
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DarkHorse posted:Elantris isn’t a bad book, it’s just rough. He uses interstitial chapters as a crutch even when it doesn’t make sense and interrupts the narrative, and the main characters have a bit of Mary Sue syndrome, but it still shows the potential that Sanderson has now demonstrated. also it has the worst published case of Sanderson's Unnecessary Twist Syndrome
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May 14, 2018 03:43
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Tunicate posted:also it has the worst published case of Sanderson's Unnecessary Twist Syndrome But he willfully admits that, and his ability to be honest about his earlier writing is one of the reasons that he has improved so much. And yes, Hrathren is an amazing character. Count me in as a Mistborn Era 2 fan. I don't even care for Westerns, but the mix of magic and guns is wonderful.
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May 14, 2018 16:44
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Too bad wax and wayne are the most insufferable characters in an entire bibliography of insufferable characters.
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May 15, 2018 03:29
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“And further more...FAAAARRT”
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May 15, 2018 03:41
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Phobeste posted:Too bad wax and wayne are the most insufferable characters in an entire bibliography of insufferable characters. Wax and Wayne are straight up art compared to Lift.
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May 15, 2018 05:47
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Torrannor posted:Lord of Chaos is really good. I'd say it has an even bigger payoff than Fires of Heaven. The Aes Sedai political stuff becomes more interesting when the supergirls start to mess with it much more. Also I got really high one time and editted the last three books from Sanderson: TGS/TOM/AMOL and changed all the chapters to the correct timeline that a bunch of people figured out and it reads so much better. I just made it one ebook called A Memory of Light. It's GREATLY improved because the TGS/TOM are mixed and you see all the characters instead of only focusing on two in each book. I've been trying but I can't find the original mixed timeline spreadsheet to show, drat. e: found it, I used https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14b-e8DNoRXiS2NtTjoAGNGguVG34C_uS_XIPMWMLH3s/edit#gid=0 Barreft fucked around with this message at 06:38 on May 15, 2018 |
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May 15, 2018 06:07
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One of the reasons for mixing things up was to keep a mix of Jordantext throughout, rather than having long stretches of sandersontext. A sizeable chunk of RJ's AMoL draft was a really long prologue, so a lot of plotlines got pushed back from there.
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May 15, 2018 09:11
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Captain Monkey posted:Wax and Wayne are straight up art compared to Lift. No fuckin kidding
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May 18, 2018 00:07
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Lift is the best Sanderson character, because you can tell who is absolutely 0 fun by who hates her.
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May 18, 2018 01:45
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EVGA Longoria posted:Lift is the best Sanderson character, because you can tell who is absolutely 0 fun by who hates her.  (But Wax and Wayne are good too)
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May 18, 2018 01:50
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EVGA Longoria posted:Lift is the best Sanderson character, because you can tell who is absolutely 0 fun by who hates her. Lift rules, but Wayne owns.
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May 18, 2018 02:17
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Lift is fine but anyone who doesn't want a 
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Hey guys I didn't know about this thread till just now and I'm not really reading it cause I don't want spoilers. I picked up The Way Of Kings a while ago on a total whim - I had finished up my recent reading list and didn't have anything else to read, I knew literally nothing about it or about Brandon Sanderson, I just saw that it got good reviews. I was absolutely and totally hooked after a few chapters. The characters, the slow exploration and detailed explanations of the world, the story that slowly expanded to something amazing - I loved it. I burned through all 3 books (in audiobook) in less than two months, which is a feat since the books are enormous and I don't have much time for reading, but I made time. After burning through them all I hit post-good-book-depression. What else could live up to that? I picked up the cosmere collection, thinking it would be another set of mini-books like the one about Lift, hoping that it would sustain me. After the first one (about soulforging), and was intrigued because it was obviously not part of the same world. Then the intro to the next novella said that it had major spoilers to another book. Imagine my surprise on doing some research to find out that there is a whole separate series and another standalone book. Man, I've got a lot of reading to do. 
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Well, you've certainly fallen down the rabbit hole. I'd suggest you read warbreaker next
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Yeah, definitely Warbreaker next. There's another book set on the soulforging world, though it's not very obvious. It's Elantris, Sanderson's first book. Most fans agree that it is one of his weakest works, his writing definitely got better with time. Be sure to read the Mistborn books in order. Original trilogy first (Final Empire, Well of Ascension, Hero of Ages), then the Wax & Wayne books. I would love to hear your thoughts when you read/after you've read Warbreaker. I think all of us posting here have read Warbreaker before Stormlight, so I'm very curious what people think who have read Stormlight first.
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Would secret history go after the first 3 mistborns or after 3 wax&wayne?
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mewse posted:Would secret history go after the first 3 mistborns or after 3 wax&wayne? Definitely after the wax and wayne
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Tunicate posted:Well, you've certainly fallen down the rabbit hole. Torrannor posted:Yeah, definitely Warbreaker next. Thanks for the suggestions! I was thinking about Mistborn next, so its good to have some guidance. What do you think, Warbreaker -> Mistborn -> Elantris and then finish the Cosmere Collection?
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Taffer posted:Thanks for the suggestions! I was thinking about Mistborn next, so its good to have some guidance. What do you think, Warbreaker -> Mistborn -> Elantris and then finish the Cosmere Collection? Sounds about right. You might want to put elantris after mistborn 3 just to get some breathing room for the timeskip, it's up to you.
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Taffer posted:Thanks for the suggestions! I was thinking about Mistborn next, so its good to have some guidance. What do you think, Warbreaker -> Mistborn -> Elantris and then finish the Cosmere Collection? That's a good order, but if you liked or didn't mind Lift, then you could read Edgedancer after (or even before) Warbreaker. It's a short Stormlight novella set between Words of Radiance and Oathbringer, and follows the PoV of our favorite edgedancer. But you can safely skip it if you thought Lift wasn't awesome at all. I still liked it though. After that, Mistborn -> Elantris -> Rest (basically Arcanum Unbounded without Edgedancer) You should read Secret History after the last (for now) Wax & Wayne book.
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At a minimum I'd recommend reading Edgedancer just to set up the whole Skybreaker thing and to introduce some crazy SHAPESHIFTING BUG PEOPLE. Even if you can't stand Lift it does have some solid worldbuilding in it.
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Looking over the original post, it seems like Taffer has already read Edgedancer. Oops. So definitely Warbreaker next. Are there any Cosmere books missing from Arcanum Unbounded, apart from the big four (SA, Mistborn series, Elantris, Warbreaker)?
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May 18, 2018 11:04
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I hate Lift and Wayne both. Lopen is good though.
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Hating Lift is a bad opinion. She adds such a fresh perspective to the books.
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She is like the medieval version of "t3H p3nGu1n 0f d0oM"
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EVGA Longoria posted:Lift is the best Sanderson character, because you can tell who is absolutely 0 fun by who hates her. Lift is the best character because you can tell who is 14 years old by who thinks her lolrandommonkeycheese!!!! is clever or amusing.
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Lift is the best character because you can tell who is exactly 18 years old by who thinks her attitude is immature and pointless and fails to see the thirty foot high letters of subtext, instead just insisting that All Fantasy Must Always Be Serious.
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Chernabog posted:She is like the medieval version of "t3H p3nGu1n 0f d0oM" ya it rules
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Fun is not only allowed, but encouraged.
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Jorenko posted:Lift is the best character because you can tell who is exactly 18 years old by who thinks her attitude is immature and pointless and fails to see the thirty foot high letters of subtext, instead just insisting that All Fantasy Must Always Be Serious. it's impressive people can read edgedancer and everything, yet still not catch that her entire persona is this facade meant to resist change and avoid dealing with childhood trauma (which she ironically went to an entity created by what is basically the God of Change to get help with)
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ekeog posted:it's impressive people can read edgedancer and everything, yet still not catch that her entire persona is this facade meant to resist change and avoid dealing with childhood trauma (which she ironically went to an entity created by what is basically the God of Change to get help with) I think it's quite possible to realize that while still finding her behavior grating. I enjoyed Edgedancer overall, but her excessively infantile behavior made it really rough at points. It probably doesn't help that I read it via audio book, and Kate Reading has a really annoying tendency to extremely over-exaggerate anything potentially immature about characters - she'll turn an innocuous question into something really petulant and grating. Did the same thing to Shallan to extreme effect.
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Taffer posted:Kate Reading has a really annoying tendency to extremely over-exaggerate anything potentially immature about characters - she'll turn an innocuous question into something really petulant and grating. Did the same thing to Shallan to extreme effect. I thought I was the only one who heard this. It's like she elongates the vocals at the end of every other word but only for the female characters and it drives me crazy.
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Taffer posted:I think it's quite possible to realize that while still finding her behavior grating. I enjoyed Edgedancer overall, but her excessively infantile behavior made it really rough at points. It probably doesn't help that I read it via audio book, and Kate Reading has a really annoying tendency to extremely over-exaggerate anything potentially immature about characters - she'll turn an innocuous question into something really petulant and grating. Did the same thing to Shallan to extreme effect. Yeah, the character is a bad, boring trope, and the narration made it even worse. Lift is the tiny tina of cosmere.
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Kind of surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet here, new Powder Mage book out in the second trilogy, Wrath of Empire: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0756CYZ7G/ For those who don't know, the author is a former student of Sanderson's and his writing is fairly Sanderson-esque.
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The second trilogy is a pale imitation of the first though. McLellan killed/retired all but one of his excellent pov characters by the end of Autum Republic and then chose not to use Taniel in Unkillable Mad Jack and the Magical Magufin Pillar.
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It seems like a long time since the last powder mage book. I can't remember where it was even left off? However the magic system he made is really cool, I did enjoy those books, I will probably pick it up once I can find a good synopsis to catch up on the story again.
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Dravs posted:It seems like a long time since the last powder mage book. I can't remember where it was even left off? I tried to find a plot summary of sins of empire before digging into the new one, and couldn't, so I just went with it. It's working out. At the end of sins, the Dynize perform a naval assault of Landfall and Vlora Flint leads the city defense in a huge battle. Lindet, the ruler of the whole place takes off without telling anyone. I think Ben Styke gets caught up in the fight around the godstone but I forget what happens there
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Which fantasy series/books would you guys recommend I move on to next? I've already listened to: Sanderson (missing Warbreaker and Elantris which I plan to get to eventually) Kingkiller Chronicles Gentleman Bastards Licanius trilogy Cycle of Arawn (Not the best but just okay)
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