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The White Dragon posted:personally i'd rather just play ff6 than play ff14 where they tell me "remember this cool scene in ff6???!?!?!" Cool, cool what about the other 95% of the game?
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I just wish FF14 were less a guided tour of setpieces and various other things happening, and allowed for more player-created/focused content. Themepark MMOs just seem so sterile and same-y, everyone gets the same safe, accessible, non-threatening content, and the only thing you can lose is your time.
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May 20, 2018 21:51
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I don’t really see there being much difference between 14 having 4 ff6 bosses to fight and ff9 having you fight the ff1 4 fiends. Other than like Kefka but I don’t know if the mere image of Kefka is enough to make me want drop what I’m doing and play ff6 to get more Kefka in a traditional format.
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May 20, 2018 21:57
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ACES CURE PLANES posted:I just wish FF14 were less a guided tour of setpieces and various other things happening, and allowed for more player-created/focused content. Final Fantasy: EVE Online would be... something.
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May 20, 2018 21:59
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I mean it'd be kinda cool if we went back to Ultima Online-style "If you get ganked then gently caress you you probably deserve it you stupid loving newbie piece of poo poo I'm gonna show up to your funeral and laugh at your lifeless corpse you piece of poo poo" MMORPG rules but it also wouldn't be kinda cool for very obvious reasons. There's a reason WoW and its copycats like FF14 ended up being the more profitable form of MMOs, because assholes are a minority of the paying customers for these things, contrary to popular belief.
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May 20, 2018 21:59
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SyntheticPolygon posted:I don’t really see there being much difference between 14 having 4 ff6 bosses to fight and ff9 having you fight the ff1 4 fiends. Other than like Kefka but I don’t know if the mere image of Kefka is enough to make me want drop what I’m doing and play ff6 to get more Kefka in a traditional format. I will always pay money for more Kefka, my life is not complete without a nihilistic clown man laughing at my face for believing in the inherit goodness of humanity.
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May 20, 2018 22:01
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a crisp refreshing Moxie posted:Cool, cool I guess I just don't "get" mmos. Like i'll sub to ff14 and then only play for like six hours. The other 95% of the game is okay I guess? Too much time investment for too little reward. I'd pay for a DLC of a dried-out, shortened, and simplified Ted Woolsey-style version of the localization. Mega64 posted:
I'll have you know my GBA still works  But my DS Lite doesn't! All the lcds died except for a cluster of them in the middle of the screens.
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May 20, 2018 22:01
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULRTwOMwLoA
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May 20, 2018 22:04
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SyntheticPolygon posted:I don’t really see there being much difference between 14 having 4 ff6 bosses to fight and ff9 having you fight the ff1 4 fiends. Other than like Kefka but I don’t know if the mere image of Kefka is enough to make me want drop what I’m doing and play ff6 to get more Kefka in a traditional format. The fiends in FF9 are better woven into the story, and in fact previous set pieces in FF14 were better woven into the story than this, like the Crystal Tower raid. The reason this strikes a nerve is that the story justification is just "you're in a simulation where you fight bosses from other games".
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May 20, 2018 22:06
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Alexander's rap is better.
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May 20, 2018 22:07
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The simulation aspect is woven on as well as CT cause they make them fairy tales and plays in universe to further the whole plot and characterization of Omega as a heartless machine with no real imagination trying its best to figure out your people emotions and how they empower you. Its a perfectly in universe justification and it's at least different than how CT Bahamut and Alexander were done so it's a least a little refreshing. The real issue is that Dancing Mad and the Decisive battle aren't as good as Sokens insanity that gave us A to the L to the E to Xander
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May 20, 2018 22:18
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Yeah, fairy tales that literally nobody ever talked about or had heard of until the Omega raid started.
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May 20, 2018 22:23
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Fister Roboto posted:Yeah, fairy tales that literally nobody ever talked about or had heard of until the Omega raid started. Eh, that isn't true. "There are the stories of (legendary thing that is actually a FF reference)" are scattered throughout the entirety of FFXIV. Half of them turn out to be true which is just an excuse for a different kind of FF reference.
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May 20, 2018 22:38
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forward and back and forward and back and forward and back, then put one foot forward
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May 20, 2018 22:45
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that was drat good trance/electropop/whatever you call it prop too chill to be considered pop actually but whatevs
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ImpAtom posted:Eh, that isn't true. "There are the stories of (legendary thing that is actually a FF reference)" are scattered throughout the entirety of FFXIV. Half of them turn out to be true which is just an excuse for a different kind of FF reference. Yeah, and those things are usually just one-off references, or recurring elements that are common in all Final Fantasy games. Almost every game has chocobos, almost all of them have a Cid. Only two of them have you fighting Kefka. e: also I'm stopping right here because I've had this exact argument with you at least twice before Fister Roboto fucked around with this message at 23:02 on May 20, 2018 |
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May 20, 2018 22:56
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 I only played FFXIV for a free trial month at 2.0 launch, I'm just not into vertical progression MMOs. The only thing I really regret is missing out on insane tracks like this.
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Fister Roboto posted:Yeah, fairy tales that literally nobody ever talked about or had heard of until the Omega raid started. What imp atom said and this can be turned against literally any other plot point in both the main story and side content. "Oh wow how come I'm just hearing about these betrayals during the Autumn war now?" "Oh if this magical spindal that lets the goblins summon alexander was so important how come they didn't bring it up until it was actually relevant to the narrative they wanted to tell?" Don't even get me started on sometime between 1.0 and 2.1 how Nael wasn't actually ever Nael but Nael's sister dressed like Nael to carry on Nael's memory Yes, it turns out a narrative episdoe that generally self contained and written well after the world is established is probably going to contain plot points and whole concepts and locations that weren't talked about previously because They Didn't Write Them Yet. Fister Roboto posted:Yeah, and those things are usually just one-off references, or recurring elements that are common in all Final Fantasy games. Almost every game has chocobos, almost all of them have a Cid. Only two of them have you fighting Kefka. This is also dumb cause the extent of references and how important they are is basically completely loving random in the franchise. Some games the classic summons are gods, sometimes they're boat names, some times they're magical parasites that are slowly killing the world as part of a sinister plot of Dark god worshippers and kind of the biggest threat in existence. Sometime chocobos are set dressing, sometimes they're a whole sidequest in themselves, sometimes they're literally the protagonist. ALSO all the fairy tales about old FF's are already referenced in universe because that's where the triple triad cards and the description on the glamour items come from. ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 23:14 on May 20, 2018 |
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Fister Roboto posted:Yeah, and those things are usually just one-off references, or recurring elements that are common in all Final Fantasy games. Almost every game has chocobos, almost all of them have a Cid. Only two of them have you fighting Kefka. Triple Triad cards of FF protagonists and the Fanfest minion rewards all reference the concept
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May 20, 2018 23:13
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If FF14's story isn't stupid as gently caress then it isn't a true Final Fantasy game. It is a conundrum.
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May 20, 2018 23:33
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Mega64 posted:If FF14's story isn't stupid as gently caress then it isn't a true Final Fantasy game. Didn't part of the Dragon War plot include "I am the reincarnation of your true love, great dragon, so please heed me!" "...you think you're WHAT? No, it doesn't work that way. Stop being creepy. Now, back to the story of who ate who's eyes and started this whole mess."
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May 20, 2018 23:49
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Bruceski posted:Didn't part of the Dragon War plot include Pretty much. Shiva was convinced that she was a reincarnation but primals are just thought made flesh so it was just "nope, you're not Shiva, you just really wanted to be, get that poo poo out of here."
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May 20, 2018 23:53
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FF14 Heavensward is the best FF game
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OneDeadman posted:FF14 Heavensward is the best FF game Fact
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Bruceski posted:Didn't part of the Dragon War plot include n.b. dragons are also alien lifeforms; the FF weirdness quota is solidly met
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Mega64 posted:I will always pay money for more Kefka, my life is not complete without a nihilistic clown man laughing at my face for believing in the inherit goodness of humanity. pm me
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Elephant Ambush posted:You're kinda dumb if you can't see why without asking. I mean, I know why. Nostalgia sells. But it feels like anytime I see anything from that game it’s,”hey, remember when FF did this?!” Saw some Golden Saucer thing, some Cyan castle with Cyan’s theme, a boss fight with Kefka and the Statue of Gods while Dancing Mad plays, its got Magitek armor, and now this. Just feels like nostalgia is all it has to offer speaking as an outsider who hasn’t put much time into the game yet and I’m just curious if it has anything to offer on its own merits, which isn’t a dumb thing to ask at all.
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Himuro posted:Just feels like nostalgia is all it has to offer speaking as an outsider who hasn’t put much time into the game yet and I’m just curious if it has anything to offer on its own merits, which isn’t a dumb thing to ask at all.  nah
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May 21, 2018 01:32
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I play 14 because I like 14 for what it is.
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Himuro posted:Just feels like nostalgia is all it has to offer speaking as an outsider who hasn’t put much time into the game yet and I’m just curious if it has anything to offer on its own merits, which isn’t a dumb thing to ask at all.  not really
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BrightWing posted:I play 14 because I like 14 for what it is. That’s cool. I like what I’ve played but haven’t been able to invest much into it.
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Himuro posted:I mean, I know why. Nostalgia sells. But it feels like anytime I see anything from that game it’s,”hey, remember when FF did this?!” Saw some Golden Saucer thing, some Cyan castle with Cyan’s theme, a boss fight with Kefka and the Statue of Gods while Dancing Mad plays, its got Magitek armor, and now this. Just feels like nostalgia is all it has to offer speaking as an outsider who hasn’t put much time into the game yet and I’m just curious if it has anything to offer on its own merits, which isn’t a dumb thing to ask at all. It's a very referential game, but for the most part it's not ONLY being referential, it's using these known elements to thread new concepts and stories. Like, it's got Ultima Weapon in the storyline for A Realm Reborn, but despite looking like the one from FFVII he's an entirely different figure, filling a different role. If you want XIV to have its own voice, it absolutely does, but Stormblood is actually a really bad point to be saying that in, because for some reason Stormblood is just SUPER referential. The two endgame raid chains are explicitly so (there's the Omega chain that's the bosses from V and VI you've already heard about, but there's also a more story-focused one that's directly got characters from FFXII and is about you digging up the truth behind the War of the Lions), but you've got Doma, you've got Shinryu and Omega, you've got an area that seems to be a combination of FFX's Calm Lands and XIII's Archylte Steppe, there is a dungeon that's basically just the Magitek Research Facility from VI, the Atma Weapon from VI makes an appearance at some point. Stormblood still has its own voice, but for whatever reason it's also when they started getting way more flagrant about their references.
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Heavensward does really well at being distinct as its own thing and I'll say is the better expansion by a good margin. It still has stuff like the Warring Triad but they are made so much their own thing it doesn't feel like just straight rips for nostalgia.
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Heavensward is definitely the better expansion when compared to Stormblood. The characterization and story in Heavensward was considerably more interesting and the story had better high points than Stormblood as well. Stormblood just kind of feels as if we're going through the motions with people that aren't all that interesting.
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YoshiOfYellow posted:Heavensward does really well at being distinct as its own thing and I'll say is the better expansion by a good margin. It still has stuff like the Warring Triad but they are made so much their own thing it doesn't feel like just straight rips for nostalgia. Yeah, Heavensward is the better expansion for so many reasons. And for me the most important reason of those is that the story actually has side-characters, and momentum. Whereas Stormblood is just going from town to town full of downtrodden people who don't want to fight and/or assholes who don't want to fight for you, and doing chores for them until they want to fight for you. And then going to the next town to do it all again. Heavensward also has way better villains, and actually knows when to have them fail or die, so it's also a much less frustrating narrative on the grand scale.
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yall have played more ff14 than i've played all civ games put together over my entire life  i always think i've played way more than i have, but the last time i subbed, i had like 20 hours in it total lol
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There are people that still play FF11 who are marked at around 1200-1600 days played. A lot of the time is spent afk or offline while their characters are still logged in though which throws it off.
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I think it's still a little early to compare the completed 3.0-3.5 story to the 4.0-4.2 story. At this time in HW, we were rolling our eyes at how clumsy the whole Warriors of Darkness thing had to be wrapped up, weren't we? There was also a great deal of salt about Alexander's aesthetic, how brass and cogs got super tired after just Gordias and how it could never compare to Coil.
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