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sponges posted:We’re 3 movies into Disney Star Wars and we’ve got one measly lightsaber duel.
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Zedd posted:Finn stumbling around vs Kylo, Rey vs Kylo, Rey+Kylo vs totally-not-lightsaber-sticks Guards makes 3 I think. Kylo and Rey vs. those guards doesn’t count imo
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May 20, 2018 02:21
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Wheat Loaf posted:I don't think most people really care about what spaceships are in it all that much, just that there are some. Growing up, Star Wars was always merely a delivery device for space battle (and occasional snow speeder) porn along with related space battle games. I was all that Dat Pew Pew. The prequels disappointed mainly because the battles weren't good and, most of all, I thought the ship designs were total rear end. But the sequels and R1 delivered in spades by just giving me the old poo poo with a new coat of paint and lots of splosions, even tho this cycle isn't exactly Shakespeare either. Dishwasher fucked around with this message at 02:43 on May 20, 2018 |
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May 20, 2018 02:39
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:i mean, it makes sense in the context of the new trilogy- the First Order is basically a cargo cult version of the Empire, so of course all their kit is pretty much based off imperial designs, and the Resistance just straight up can't afford new ships and is using old Rebellion gear. even disregarding the fact that they decided to use the old designs first and came up with the justification later, its still a pretty lovely justification because the x wings are different models
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May 20, 2018 02:44
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also lol the space battles in the sequels are mediocre at best
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May 20, 2018 02:47
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The Cameo posted:Also for whatever reason the idea of a black man kissing a white woman or there being any sort of consensual passion between the two is alarming to executives. White man and black woman? Perfectly fine. Black man and latina? Perfectly fine. Gay couples of any sort of intermixed race? A-okay! Asian man, white woman? "Well, no one finds Asian men attractive, but we'll let it go." Black man, white woman? Now hold your horses here, bucko, we're afraid that could be offensive to some folks. Is it strange? America is structured on exploiting race relations and "civilized" society has subjected women to a state of nearly permanent subjugation. It's only natural that the idea of a black man and a white women is the most trangressive of all to America's identity.
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May 20, 2018 02:50
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the real reason poe is a lovely character isnt because he makes bad decisions or whatever its because he is never in any threat in his space battle scenes and they are completely boring
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May 20, 2018 02:57
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sponges posted:Kylo and Rey vs. those guards doesn’t count imo i like the bad choreography + digitally removing guard weapons so rey isn't in danger
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May 20, 2018 03:00
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Dishwasher posted:Growing up, Star Wars was always merely a delivery device for space battle (and occasional snow speeder) porn along with related space battle games. I was all that Dat Pew Pew. The prequels disappointed mainly because the battles weren't good and, most of all, I thought the ship designs were total rear end. But the sequels and R1 delivered in spades by just giving me the old poo poo with a new coat of paint and lots of splosions, even tho this cycle isn't exactly Shakespeare either.
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May 20, 2018 03:25
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cuntman.net posted:the real reason poe is a lovely character isnt because he makes bad decisions or whatever its because he is never in any threat in his space battle scenes and they are completely boring it's because focus testing denied him the death he was fated for after helping finn out at the start of tfa poe only exists as a person for about 20 minutes of film, everything after he's a soulless husk imitating one
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May 20, 2018 03:27
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sponges posted:We’re 3 movies into Disney Star Wars and we’ve got one measly lightsaber duel. I'm fine with it. It'll make the duels more meaningful when they do happen. Otherwise you end up with poo poo like the Anakin vs Dooku duel from Attack of the Clones which always felt like it was only there because of the thought "It's Star Wars, there has to be a lightsaber fight at the end." That duel is such a wet fart letdown after everything in the Battle of Geonosis right before it.
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May 20, 2018 06:43
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I suppose at the end of the day it doesn't really matter so long as people watch the movies and enjoy them.
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May 20, 2018 09:18
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Pops Mgee posted:I'm fine with it. It'll make the duels more meaningful when they do happen. Otherwise you end up with poo poo like the Anakin vs Dooku duel from Attack of the Clones which always felt like it was only there because of the thought "It's Star Wars, there has to be a lightsaber fight at the end." That duel is such a wet fart letdown after everything in the Battle of Geonosis right before it. It's a good point, but I'd say that the sequel trilogy has the same problem with lack of impact, coming from a different direction. In the OT, there were three lightsaber duels, four if you count Luke's fight with himself in the cave. And they all worked to build up the stakes. First we see Darth Vader kill Obi-Wan, a character established as A Big Deal. Empire has its climax with Vader finally fighting Luke, and absolutely handing him his rear end. The whole arc of the first two films builds up Darth Vader as an unstoppable challenge, unshakable by both force and argument, which made Luke's triumph in Jedi much more compelling. There was tension, emotional stakes, all the good stuff. The prequels went in for a bunch more lightsaber fights, and made most of them much less impact. There wasn't much telling one flashy laser sword fight from the rest. The Disney films haven't had many proper duels, but they've already undermined every antagonist. Kylo lost to Rey, and has only gotten to be more of an internally conflicted wreck since. Snoke was a nothing character who got killed in the first scene he shared with any of the heroes. And introducing brand new villains in the last film... does not seem a wise call, structurally. It's difficult to imagine a duel for the finale that would actually carry narrative weight, is what I'm getting at.
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May 20, 2018 10:07
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Brother Entropy posted:it's because focus testing denied him the death he was fated for after helping finn out at the start of tfa Nah they added him back in pretty early in production, it wasn't done in last minute reshoots.
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May 20, 2018 11:08
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It does kind of make me wonder how the end of the film would've played out without him.
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May 20, 2018 11:18
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chiasaur11 posted:It's difficult to imagine a duel for the finale that would actually carry narrative weight, is what I'm getting at. I think I'd like to see a duel between Kylo's constantly-in-danger-of-overheating firesword and Rey's inexpertly fixed Lukesaber that ends with both weapons useless, and the duel ultimately being decided without lightsabers at all. Sort of a reverse of the Yoda/Dooku duel ("It is obvious that this contest cannot be decided by our knowledge of the Force, but by our skills with a lightsaber"), and also a nice tie-in to the whole "kill the past" theme they seem to have going on.
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May 20, 2018 11:37
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Nah they added him back in pretty early in production, it wasn't done in last minute reshoots. you wouldn't know it from watching the finished product though
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May 20, 2018 12:14
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The force is moving rocks around with your mind No the force is more than Wins the day my moving rocks CONSIDER MY EXPECTATIONS SUBVERTED
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May 20, 2018 14:05
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Dave Syndrome posted:I think I'd like to see a duel between Kylo's constantly-in-danger-of-overheating firesword and Rey's inexpertly fixed Lukesaber that ends with both weapons useless, and the duel ultimately being decided without lightsabers at all. their lightsabres get destroyed and they get in a fistfight with the rolling stones street fighting man playing in the background there will be eye gouging and hair pulling and then kylo will sit on rey and fart on her (pls dont kinkshame)
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May 20, 2018 15:58
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Wild Horses posted:End battle in ep1, jango chase and geonosis battle in 2 and opening battle in 3 I will not go to bat for the prequels, but one thing they legit did well is new spaceship designs. They are all pretty awesome. They are even more awesome in the wake of the sequels’ “what if X-wing but... X-wing?”
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May 20, 2018 18:05
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I wouldn't be surprised if most Star Wars fans would rather see the exact same stuff they liked in the original trilogy over and over again than anything new and unusual.
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May 20, 2018 18:12
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Jerk McJerkface posted:The force is moving rocks around with your mind The Force isn't just about moving rocks, it's about moving many rocks, all at once.
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May 20, 2018 19:18
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The weirdest thing about New Star Wars is the emphasis on things rather than characters. Like the Millennium Falcon being center-stage, close-ups of Anakin's lightsaber, the loving dice in the cockpit that you couldn't even loving see if you were watching the movies on VHS back in 1995. Compare Rey discovering Anakin's lightsaber to Obi Wan giving that same saber to Luke. There's close-ups of the prop that lead to visions. Meanwhile, Luke just loving swings it around like it's an old toy. Honestly, that's the most jarring thing about the new trilogy versus the old.
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May 20, 2018 19:30
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I feel like that's more of a general change in the way big expensive movies are shot over the past 40 years than a Star Wars thing in particular.
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May 20, 2018 19:35
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Mecha Gojira posted:The weirdest thing about New Star Wars is the emphasis on things rather than characters. Like the Millennium Falcon being center-stage, close-ups of Anakin's lightsaber, the loving dice in the cockpit that you couldn't even loving see if you were watching the movies on VHS back in 1995. Compare Rey discovering Anakin's lightsaber to Obi Wan giving that same saber to Luke. There's close-ups of the prop that lead to visions. Meanwhile, Luke just loving swings it around like it's an old toy. Honestly, that's the most jarring thing about the new trilogy versus the old. It makes sense considering from 2005 until like...2012, it was all prequel stuff all the time. I'm not gonna lie, ya'll got me with that poo poo in 2015. It was cool to see good things again instead of stupid things.
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May 20, 2018 20:15
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The Force Awakens is the most well-acted movie in the series. Getting together good casts with chemistry and evoking friendship is JJ Abrams' unique strength as a director.
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May 20, 2018 20:26
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Mecha Gojira posted:The weirdest thing about New Star Wars is the emphasis on things rather than characters. Like the Millennium Falcon being center-stage, close-ups of Anakin's lightsaber, the loving dice in the cockpit that you couldn't even loving see if you were watching the movies on VHS back in 1995. Compare Rey discovering Anakin's lightsaber to Obi Wan giving that same saber to Luke. There's close-ups of the prop that lead to visions. Meanwhile, Luke just loving swings it around like it's an old toy. Honestly, that's the most jarring thing about the new trilogy versus the old. It's so companies can sell 1:1 prop replicas to fan boys. For example, fanboys obsessed over what kind of boots Harrison Ford wore in Raiders of the Lost Ark, zooming in on freeze frames when his shoes were shown. Eventually it was determined that they were Alden 405s. Compare this to Crystal Skull where his boots are given an clear close up in the first sequence he shows up in.
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May 20, 2018 21:04
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The dice are in the OT?
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May 21, 2018 00:19
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banned from Starbucks posted:The falcon was ok when it was a beat up pile of poo poo. The new iFalcon looks dumb as gently caress. Every film, it gets worse. In The Force Awakens, there was a joke in the first focus shot, with the gap between it being something amazing in the eyes of the viewer, and it being a last resort piece of poo poo in the eyes of the characters slightly downplaying the reverence. (On a similar note, there's also the C-3PO red arm bit. The film gushes about how cool old Star Wars was, but there's plenty of moments that realize the obsession is a little ridiculous.) In The Last Jedi, it's treated as special straight up, still getting focus shots despite the shine being off The Falcon Being Back, and is the ultimate heroic savior of the Resistance, a symbol that brings hope to the galaxy, despite it being, basically, a drug runner's lovely old RV. And in Solo, it's getting the same "Look! It's that thing you love!" treatment despite not being The Thing You Love, but a mostly similar (worse) design. The Millenium Falcon is a piece of poo poo that's got it where it counts. That's why it became a beloved icon in the first place. For all its flaws, when it was glorifying the Falcon, The Force Awakens remembered the reasons audiences liked the ship in the first place. Later films don't even manage that.
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May 21, 2018 01:00
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Now I kinda want the climax of ep 9 to involve the falcon getting completely loving obliterated
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May 21, 2018 02:32
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Reminder that the Falcon is only slightly less hosed up than the Resistance is at the end of TLJ:
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May 21, 2018 03:42
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Wheat Loaf posted:I wouldn't be surprised if most Star Wars fans would rather see the exact same stuff they liked in the original trilogy over and over again than anything new and unusual. Nobody posting ITT cares about “most people” or “most Star Wars fans” or whatever some imagined majority that doesn’t care about movies to a degree of posting on a message board thinks.
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May 21, 2018 03:56
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Mecha Gojira posted:The weirdest thing about New Star Wars is the emphasis on things rather than characters. Like the Millennium Falcon being center-stage, close-ups of Anakin's lightsaber, the loving dice in the cockpit that you couldn't even loving see if you were watching the movies on VHS back in 1995. Compare Rey discovering Anakin's lightsaber to Obi Wan giving that same saber to Luke. There's close-ups of the prop that lead to visions. Meanwhile, Luke just loving swings it around like it's an old toy. Honestly, that's the most jarring thing about the new trilogy versus the old. Yeah, because the original Star Wars props were made of literal garbage and if they showed them too well it’s too odvious everything is made of fishing pole parts and cameras and ice cream makers
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May 21, 2018 04:53
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Were the dice visible in any format of the OT? I could infer that they were supposed to be Han’s but at first I thought “What the hell are those?”
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May 21, 2018 05:04
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Dr.Radical posted:Were the dice visible in any format of the OT? I could infer that they were supposed to be Han’s but at first I thought “What the hell are those?”  They're visible in the sense that that are in the shot.
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May 21, 2018 05:10
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Ok yeah, no way I could see those while watching on VHS as someone said above. I remember seeing the special editions in theaters and not seeing them either. I wasn’t particularly looking too closely though
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May 21, 2018 05:14
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I'm looking forward to the frame-by-frame side-by-side comparison videos between the Solo Falcon and the Falcon seen in the OT and people saying Star Wars is ruined forever if something that is utterly meaningless doesn't add up Despite Han being a smuggler and likely moving thing around
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May 21, 2018 05:16
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Doctor Spaceman posted:
Literally putting quasi-spiritual significance on a background prop that no one knew existed.
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May 21, 2018 05:23
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You can see them when Chewbacca bumps his head on them in Mos Eisley just before the stormtroopers show up in the hangar. Which, again, puts zero significance on them in the movies and unless you were a 12 year old spazlord burning through your VHS copy of the OT, you aren't going to know what the gently caress those things are.
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Dr.Radical posted:Ok yeah, no way I could see those while watching on VHS as someone said above. I remember seeing the special editions in theaters and not seeing them either. I wasn’t particularly looking too closely though The clearest time you see them is when Chewie sits down in the cockpit for the first time and bumps his head on them.
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