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May 20, 2018 21:55
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"If I were human, I believe my response would be 'go to hell. If I were human." 
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"We am thy freighter Ursva... We is condemning food, things and supplies." "Is it possible that we two, you and I, have grown so old and so inflexible that we have outlived our usefulness?" "...We stand ready to assist you." "Not so big as her Captain, I think." "Captain's log, stardate 9529.1. This is the final cruise of the starship Enterprise under my command. This ship and her history will shortly become the care of another crew. To them and their posterity will we commit our future. They will continue the voyages we have begun and journey to all the undiscovered countries, boldly going where no man – where no one – has gone before." So many great moments in that movie.
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May 20, 2018 22:01
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I ignore the movies because there aren't any niner movies.
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May 20, 2018 22:12
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Shibawanko posted:I ignore the movies because there aren't any niner movies. "Little?!?"
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May 20, 2018 22:14
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Might wanna get your memory tested, Timby.
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May 20, 2018 22:15
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FlamingLiberal posted:Pretty sure if you put Star Trek V as the 2nd best Trek film you are trolling Laddie... don't ya think you should... rephrase that? You're right. I should. I didn't mean to say that the Final Frontier should be #2. I meant to say that it should be hauled away AS #2! (I like TFF a lot but even I wouldn't rank it as 2nd best)
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:Laddie... don't ya think you should... rephrase that? lol
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May 20, 2018 22:20
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Shibawanko posted:I ignore the movies because there aren't any niner movies. The multi-part finale sort of functions like a string of 45 minute long movies.
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May 21, 2018 01:58
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I think it's definitely arguable that even if you prefer First Contact, TNG is the best "TNG film" while First Contact represents a new series that happens to star the TNG cast. Generations is really the "proper" TNG finale, given they rolled straight from All Good Things into production of it. I will also be sad that they scrapped the Ent-D because it would have been awesome to see it given some of the shots the Ent-E gets. Imagine the shots of walking around on the hull of the ship from FC.
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May 21, 2018 02:30
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My favorite alternate First Contact courtesy of this thread is now Sisko telling Picard to blow up the Enterpise-D. I love that ship, she deserved a better death.
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May 21, 2018 02:42
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Big Mean Jerk posted:My favorite alternate First Contact courtesy of this thread is now Sisko telling Picard to blow up the Enterpise-D. As an alternate for the 'broke your little ships' scene? That sounds... like it would be pretty darned good.
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May 21, 2018 03:41
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watching Sub Rosa how did this season 1 episode make it into season 7
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May 21, 2018 03:43
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First Contact did give us this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgD-UK_zn3k
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May 21, 2018 03:47
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Plotac 75 posted:As an alternate for the 'broke your little ships' scene? That sounds... like it would be pretty darned good. Yeah, someone once suggested that the Enterprise rescues both Sisko and Worf from the Defiant and Sisko essentially take’s Alfre Woodard’s place. You could examine how both captains have (or haven’t in Picard’s case) learned to cope with their borg-related PTSD. It seems like such a no-brainer in retrospect that I can hear Avery Brooks bellowing “JEAN-LUC, BLOW UP THE drat SHIP”. Big Mean Jerk fucked around with this message at 03:50 on May 21, 2018 |
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May 21, 2018 03:48
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Yeah, someone once suggested that the Enterprise rescues both Sisko and Worf from the Defiant and Sisko essentially take’s Alfre Woodard’s place. You could examine how both captains have (or haven’t in Picard’s case) learned to cope with their borg-related PTSD. drat, that is SUCH a good idea.
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May 21, 2018 03:53
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How is this episode not considered worse than Threshold
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Nodosaur posted:watching Sub Rosa Nodosaur posted:How is this episode not considered worse than Threshold It is worse than Threshold, but Threshold introduces Warp Canon Facts that Are Dumb so nerds get more mad about that, I think.
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The original script for First Contact has Picard on Earth and Riker fighting the Borg on the ship. I always figured if there was going to be a hypothetical TNG/DS9 crossover in FC you’d keep that setup for the Enterprise crew and have Sisko pull rank on Riker when the Borg show up, assume command, and go full Ahab. Not sure what could be done on Earth though to make it seem worthy of keeping Picard down there though, unless the movie is fighting the Borg on the ship and in the town.WampaLord posted:It is worse than Threshold, but Threshold introduces Warp Canon Facts that Are Dumb so nerds get more mad about that, I think. I think it depends on if you think ghost sex or salamander sex is worse.
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May 21, 2018 04:05
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Kibayasu posted:I think it depends on if you think ghost sex or salamander sex is worse. To me, it's just judging each episode as an hour of television. Sub Rosa is awful from beginning to end, Threshold is mostly fine and then has a total WTF ending, I'd happily rewatch Threshold up until the final 10 minutes or so, not the same with Sub Rosa.
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I dunno if I really like the idea of handing off the role of the guy with the personal conflict with the Borg off to someone who isn't Picard. Sisko's beef with them isn't nearly as personal; yes, he lost someone, but it's more like losing your loved one to a natural disaster, because the Borg are such an imposing, impersonal enemy to most people. They're like a force of nature. Meanwhile Picard was utterly and completely violated by them and has more significant emotional stakes against the collective. EDIT - also, Threshold is just a really stupid, somewhat squicky story. Sub Rosa is both extremely stupid, it has extremely unfortunate things to say about women, has Troi grabbing the idiot ball and being okay with things she really shouldn't be okay with, and ends on a sentimental note about what is essentially an undead sex offender. Threshold is just mind-numbingly dumb. Sub Rosa is mind numbingly dumb and offensive. Nodosaur fucked around with this message at 04:13 on May 21, 2018 |
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May 21, 2018 04:10
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Sisko seems pretty over his Borg experience though. He poured all his grief and rage into designing the Defiant and by the time we see him on DS9 he’s moved on. Granted, DS9 never had him directly confront the Borg, but you figure it would take a massively traumatic experience to trigger that again.
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May 21, 2018 04:10
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My favorite thing in Threshold is there's a character that is a kazon spy or something. When a couple characters are discussing the mechanics of warp 10, it turns around and looks intrigued. But if you don't know that character is a spy, which the episode doesn't tell you, you just get that he turns around and has a huge "What the gently caress?" look of confusion when they talk about how warp 10 works, it looks like he's thinking "nah, that can't be right"
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May 21, 2018 04:12
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Nodosaur posted:I dunno if I really like the idea of handing off the role of the guy with the personal conflict with the Borg off to someone who isn't Picard. Sisko's beef with them isn't nearly as personal; yes, he lost someone, but it's more like losing your loved one to a natural disaster, because the Borg are such an imposing, impersonal enemy to most people. They're like a force of nature. Meanwhile Picard was utterly and completely violated by them and has more significant emotional stakes against the collective. That's not what is being proposed. People are saying Sisko replace the black lady who is the one who gets Picard to realize that this is a force of nature and he's letting a vendetta get in the way of his duty.
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:That's not what is being proposed. People are saying Sisko replace the black lady who is the one who gets Picard to realize that this is a force of nature and he's letting a vendetta get in the way of his duty. The person you’re quoting was referring to the idea that Sisko would pull rank on Riker and undergo Picard’s Ahab arc
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:That's not what is being proposed. People are saying Sisko replace the black lady who is the one who gets Picard to realize that this is a force of nature and he's letting a vendetta get in the way of his duty. I was suggesting the other thing. One of the complaints us nerds have about FC is that it sort of rewrites Picard’s character from the TV show. Admittedly having Sisko go a tad nuts is out of character too but less so, I think. And if you wanted to keep FC as Zombies But Star Trek and keep Picard’s arc from the movie we did get then you could have him fight Borg on Earth as well. Do some parallel development poo poo between Sisko in orbit and Picard on the planet. Or Sisko in the planet, still works.
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How about this, instead of going back to first contact of Vulcan and Earth they go back to first contact of the Borg and humans, Sisko could theoretically prevent Wolf 359
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Sisko seems pretty over his Borg experience though. He poured all his grief and rage into designing the Defiant That could play into some interesting themes too in this theoretical version of FC where Sisko is shown being pulled off the Defiant instead of Worf. Maybe the Defiant does get destroyed and Sisko faces another huge emotional blow due to the Borg, as well as a huge flashback to his Wolf 359 experience. Then it's all the more meaningful when he's the one who is telling Picard to get a grip and blow up the drat ship.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:That could play into some interesting themes too in this theoretical version of FC where Sisko is shown being pulled off the Defiant instead of Worf. Maybe the Defiant does get destroyed and Sisko faces another huge emotional blow due to the Borg, as well as a huge flashback to his Wolf 359 experience. Then it's all the more meaningful when he's the one who is telling Picard to get a grip and blow up the drat ship. Shiiiiiiiiiit, I like this fanfic even more now. You’d still have to explain all this on DS9 after the movie though.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Shiiiiiiiiiit, I like this fanfic even more now. You’d still have to explain all this on DS9 after the movie though. Well, it just bumps up the whole "the Defiant got destroyed, so we got you another one" thing they do later in Ds9... Drink-Mix Man fucked around with this message at 04:38 on May 21, 2018 |
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May 21, 2018 04:34
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Drink-Mix Man posted:That could play into some interesting themes too in this theoretical version of FC where Sisko is shown being pulled off the Defiant instead of Worf. Maybe the Defiant does get destroyed and Sisko faces another huge emotional blow due to the Borg, as well as a huge flashback to his Wolf 359 experience. Then it's all the more meaningful when he's the one who is telling Picard to get a grip and blow up the drat ship. On the other hand, I never got the impression that Sisko was that invested in the Defiant. It seems to be designed to be mass produced, not a one-off wonder ship and he certainly bounces back fast when the original Defiant is destroyed by the Breen. Bajor is what Sisko is emotionally attached to, he wasn't invested in his ship like Picard. Picard in that scene could easily fire back asking if Sisko would be willing to destroy Bajor to stop the Borg.
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Also the station, but you could probably consider that an extension of Bajor in some respects.
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Cythereal posted:On the other hand, I never got the impression that Sisko was that invested in the Defiant. It seems to be designed to be mass produced, not a one-off wonder ship and he certainly bounces back fast when the original Defiant is destroyed by the Breen. Still, though, imagine a setup where at the top of the movie he has to abandon ship and maybe they frame it in such a way where it's eerily parallel to the destruction of that Miranda where Jennifer died. Two Captains reliving the worst day of their lives, which happened to be the same day. Drink-Mix Man fucked around with this message at 04:44 on May 21, 2018 |
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Still, though, imagine a setup where at the top of the movie he has to abandon ship and maybe they frame it in such a way where it's eerily parallel to the destruction of that Miranda where Jennifer died... I don't think that would work unless you're talking about killing Jadzia or Jake in Jennifer's place.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Assuming you meant Generations, this is a good observation "There's an old Vulcan proverb: 'Only Nixon could go to China.'"
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I enjoy First Contact because Picard never really got closure over the Borg. Even the episode immediately after Best of Both Worlds doesn’t really do that, because the point of the episode is that Picard isn’t going to get over this for a very very long time. Taking that away and handing it over to Sisko... I just don’t like it. Sisko’s primary emotional arc is elsewhere.
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Nodosaur posted:I dunno if I really like the idea of handing off the role of the guy with the personal conflict with the Borg off to someone who isn't Picard. Sisko's beef with them isn't nearly as personal; yes, he lost someone, but it's more like losing your loved one to a natural disaster, because the Borg are such an imposing, impersonal enemy to most people. They're like a force of nature. Meanwhile Picard was utterly and completely violated by them and has more significant emotional stakes against the collective. Sisko doesn't have a beef with the Borg. He has a beef with Picard. Ugh. That could have been so good as the first TNG movie. Zesty fucked around with this message at 06:18 on May 21, 2018 |
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I would pay money for a comic book version of this
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Zesty posted:Sisko doesn't have a beef with the Borg. He has a beef with Picard. That could have been addressed fantastically assuming the holodeck shootout still happens in the Sisko/Picard team-up. Picard goes nuts shooting the Borg and Sisko calls him out on it, saying something about how they could have been saved, with Picard retorting that even if they lived they would be forever haunted by what they had done, the memories of losing control of their own bodies.
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