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dragonshardz posted:So, on the advice of neogeo, posting here. I'm currently looking for work in IT, but at 26 haven't had much luck even with some (~2 years) of helldesk experience. I'm currently going to school for an AS in Systems Administration, but have no certs yet because I have basically no money with which to pay for the test. I can only afford school because of Pell Grants. Hell, I don't even know which certs I should go for. I should elaborate that I'm looking more for general directional advice than specific career advice. How the gently caress do you get HR flacks to do more than toss your resume unread, for example?
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dragonshardz posted:I should elaborate that I'm looking more for general directional advice than specific career advice. How the gently caress do you get HR flacks to do more than toss your resume unread, for example? I feel like it came from here, but somebody said applying for jobs is just as much luck as it is actually fitting the role they are looking for. Sort of like online dating. You sent out a bunch of resumes just hoping some of them stick so you can go meet them and see what they're all about. That probably ruined the whole delivery, but basically keep your head up. There's gotta be something out there you can sink your teeth into; though we do have a few people who live in pretty dry markets.
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May 17, 2018 22:39
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dragonshardz posted:I should elaborate that I'm looking more for general directional advice than specific career advice. How the gently caress do you get HR flacks to do more than toss your resume unread, for example? Honestly it's not been a major problem in my life, though I assume that's not because I'm some special supercoder. I'm in a pretty good sellers' market right now and getting a new job (assuming I don't go back to an old client) looks something like this: 1. Approx 2-4 weeks of combing every job aggregator every day and applying to every job that looks decent, maybe 30 total 2. Of those 30 I have an introductory chat with maybe 15, mostly worthless agency recruiters 3. Of those 15 I interview with 6 or 7. 4. Of those 6 or 7 I'll get 4 offers, reject 2 because of red flags in and around the interview, and pick between the last 2.
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May 17, 2018 22:50
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dragonshardz posted:I should elaborate that I'm looking more for general directional advice than specific career advice. How the gently caress do you get HR flacks to do more than toss your resume unread, for example? It depends on area, but here knowing somebody seems to be the only way to get an interview if you aren't a walking tech deity willing to work for half the going rate.
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May 17, 2018 23:02
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blackswordca posted:It depends on area, but here knowing somebody seems to be the only way to get an interview if you aren't a walking tech deity willing to work for half the going rate. This is depressingly accurate for our area....
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May 17, 2018 23:47
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ChubbyThePhat posted:I feel like it came from here, but somebody said applying for jobs is just as much luck as it is actually fitting the role they are looking for. Sort of like online dating. You sent out a bunch of resumes just hoping some of them stick so you can go meet them and see what they're all about. Hilariously, that was me. Except that I'm pretty sure I said it in the poo poo pissing you off thread. Or maybe the resume thread. EDIT: Found it, and it is from the poo poo pissing me off thread: neogeo0823 posted:If it's any consolation, the world of resumes and cover letters is a baffling thing. It's a bit like those really old proto-memes about dating women; You know, "as soon as you think you know the rules, they will change them", etc. The resume and interview thread is even like that. I posted a resume that I thought followed the OP to a T, and was immediately told to literally throw it out and start from scratch. Then the next few people started posting about resumes that were two column and had blue accents and poo poo. neogeo0823 fucked around with this message at 23:55 on May 17, 2018 |
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May 17, 2018 23:51
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dragonshardz posted:I should elaborate that I'm looking more for general directional advice than specific career advice. How the gently caress do you get HR flacks to do more than toss your resume unread, for example? Then poo poo out all the applications you can and get lucky 
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May 18, 2018 00:00
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ChubbyThePhat posted:I feel like it came from here, but somebody said applying for jobs is just as much luck as it is actually fitting the role they are looking for. Sort of like online dating. You sent out a bunch of resumes just hoping some of them stick so you can go meet them and see what they're all about. Keeping my head up is hard as gently caress. Going into year 2 of being unemployed save for a short stint at the local TRU during the holiday crush, nothing else otherwise. Probably part of why I'm getting ignored? Jaded Burnout posted:Honestly it's not been a major problem in my life, though I assume that's not because I'm some special supercoder. Wow, you get  Teach me your secrets!blackswordca posted:It depends on area, but here knowing somebody seems to be the only way to get an interview if you aren't a walking tech deity willing to work for half the going rate. So it seems. Any suggestions on how to know somebody when you're a loving poor? Arquinsiel posted:Keywords. A lot of early HR filtering is done automatically, so edit your resume so that your phrasing includes the keywords you're reading from the spec. Don't lie, just make sure you#re matching how you talk about your history to the history they want. I have heard of people including the entire job spec in white text at the end to try game this, but I have no idea how well that'd work and if you get rumbled it won't look good. I have tried doing keyword jiggery and it seems to do about as much as as not bothering so far. I have a base resume I edit for specific stuff and it gets a keyword hit from sketchy headhunter firms every so often. Luck seems to be where it all falls apart for me.
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dragonshardz posted:Keeping my head up is hard as gently caress. Going into year 2 of being unemployed save for a short stint at the local TRU during the holiday crush, nothing else otherwise. Probably part of why I'm getting ignored?  I gave up and am starting my own company while I go back to school. Its amazing how many more recruiters are reaching out to me since I updated my linked in to show me as owner of a company, tho they still sketchy as gently caress and think I want to move to bumfuck Missouri. Maybe Lowtax is looking for a new admin....
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May 18, 2018 00:17
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Learn to specialize in a platform where the vast majority of the experts are over 60 and looking for retirement. You'll get recruiters pinging you constantly.
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May 18, 2018 00:44
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AlexDeGruven posted:Learn to specialize in a platform where the vast majority of the experts are over 60 and looking for retirement. I'm a UNIX admin 
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May 18, 2018 00:54
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RFC2324 posted:I'm a UNIX admin Which UNIX?
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AlexDeGruven posted:Which UNIX? I have solaris experience, Linux(RHEL family and, to a lesser degree, debian family and SUSE), and when placed in front of an AIX aptitude test was able to score the highest the recruiter had ever seen despite never having worked with it. If you know one UNIX, the rest seem to be pretty easy since the basic concepts are the same.
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May 18, 2018 01:06
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RFC2324 posted:I have solaris experience, Linux(RHEL family and, to a lesser degree, debian family and SUSE), and when placed in front of an AIX aptitude test was able to score the highest the recruiter had ever seen despite never having worked with it. Barring any fucky syntax changes (I'm looking at you, HPux!)
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May 18, 2018 01:09
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We spent a really long time looking for a new RPG programmer. RPG like AS400 stuff. We ended up stealing a consultant who we've paid probably 150k to this year to his parent company.
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RFC2324 posted:I have solaris experience, Linux(RHEL family and, to a lesser degree, debian family and SUSE), and when placed in front of an AIX aptitude test was able to score the highest the recruiter had ever seen despite never having worked with it. AIX was the one I was thinking about specifically. Though a lot of recruiters still have their heads way up their asses. One pinged me for a job in NYC wanting at least 4 years of AIX (I have about 15) paying $80,000. I had to strongly resist the automatic reaction of "lolfuckoff". Solaris is kind of a weird one, and seems to be pretty regional. There are a few companies around here doing a lot of it, but most of them tend to be more in the Linux space (RHEL and Ubuntu because lolsuse). If you want to get into the AIX space professionally, look at health systems (EPIC prefers AIX) and auto manufacturing. Financials are hit or miss, as a lot of them are still using Z. Getting certs is always a plus, I get a lot more calls now that I have my RHCE, even though I don't really use it. If you get a good study guide, you could probably get through the CSA and CE without the classes and save yourself a few thousand. $800 for the CSA and CE total is definitely worth it.
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I'm currently taking wgu classes so certifications ahoy. i think my program gets 11 of the suckers.
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ChubbyThePhat posted:I feel like it came from here, but somebody said applying for jobs is just as much luck as it is actually fitting the role they are looking for. Sort of like online dating. You sent out a bunch of resumes just hoping some of them stick so you can go meet them and see what they're all about. That was probably me. it was probably this post: Thanatosian posted:I'm not saying you shouldn't examine your interview skills, resumes, cover letters, etc., but keep in mind that finding a job is--to a certain extent--roulette. You have to be lucky enough that they liked your resume, your cover letter, and your interview more than whoever else they happened to look at. It may not even be that another person was "better" than you, but that they just happened to not hit some pet peeve of the interviewer or something that you did, that they only found one spelling mistake in the other person's cover letter, but two in yours (even though theirs had five and yours only had two), that they were looking for someone with widget X skills specifically, and you've never even heard of widget X, or it's so obscure you didn't bother putting it on your resume and your interviewer wasn't the one making the hiring decision, so didn't ask you about it, or they really don't like Helvetica at the place you're applying and that's the font you chose to use, etc., etc., etc. I'll additionally add that I recommend reading AskAManager's advice on cover letters and resumes. I re-wrote mine based on what she suggested, and immediately started getting more bites (post hoc ergo propter hoc, maybe, but it probably won't hurt).
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May 18, 2018 02:04
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dragonshardz posted:Wow, you get TBH I'm rarely talking to HR in the first instance. It's usually another dev, team manager, or a CTO, typically HR get involved *after* the initial sanity check in order to facilitate interviews and then onboarding.
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My wife wants to learn programming, but has no idea where to begin. I think she wants to do app development. What language should she learn?
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Bigass Moth posted:My wife wants to learn programming, but has no idea where to begin. I think she wants to do app development. What language should she learn? Recommend checking out the newbie programming/career thread.
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Bigass Moth posted:My wife wants to learn programming, but has no idea where to begin. I think she wants to do app development. What language should she learn? I guess python to learn basic programming and then jump to Java for Android or whatever Apple's codebase is? That sounds like a multi-year endeavor to produce even half-working cludgy personal projects.
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She’s looking at it as a career change possibility within five years.
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Codecademy is good for learning the basics. They have a lot of python, and it's geared toward programming logic, which is the biggest hump. After you understand how programming works at a base level, the rest is syntax.
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AlexDeGruven posted:Codecademy is good for learning the basics. They have a lot of python, and it's geared toward programming logic, which is the biggest hump. After you understand how programming works at a base level, the rest is syntax. Agreed. I don't do a lot of programming from scratch myself, but I spend much of my free time modding games which involves looking at other people's code and figuring out how to manipulate it to do what I want. Half the battle is understanding the logic of what is happening, how the and/or/not conditionals work and how for/while loops function. Once you can follow the logic the rest, as Alex said, is just syntax.
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fsrm.experiant.ca RIP  EDIT: Praise Nexxai! Malek fucked around with this message at 16:49 on May 18, 2018 |
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Malek posted:fsrm.experiant.ca Sorry, that was me loving around with some page forwarding rules at CloudFlare. It should be working now. EDIT: For some backstory - the company that I built (Experiant) merged with another MSP (IT Partners) and I was trying to forward just the main webpage to theirs. I hosed up the rule and made it *.experiant.ca (which technically should have worked since it was the last page rule, but I digress) instead of experiant.ca and https://www.experiant.ca FSRM isn't going anywhere. nexxai fucked around with this message at 16:40 on May 18, 2018 |
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A coworker who's frequently rude to users over the phone got an earful from our manager today cause he did it right in front of her. He spent his whole morning sulking about it afterwards. Today's been a good day so far.
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The Muffinlord posted:A coworker who's frequently rude to users over the phone got an earful from our manager today cause he did it right in front of her. He spent his whole morning sulking about it afterwards. Today's been a good day so far. This reminds me of something that is starting to drive me crazy. Say you've got two employees who have been doing something undesirable, say, making GBS threads on the floor in front of clients. You bring in Employee #1 and say "I've noticed that you're making GBS threads on the floor in front of clients. We don't want that sort of thing happening here because X, Y, and Z. Please don't poo poo on the floor in front of clients anymore. If you continue to poo poo on the floor in front of clients, there will be significant consequences, such as A, B, or C." Employee #1 invariably will say at one point "Employee #2 shits on the floor in front of clients! Why aren't you talking to them?" And later, when talking to Employee #2, "Employee #1 shits on the floor in front of clients! Why aren't you talking to them?" I always tell them, "this discussion is about you and your behavior" because I don't air other peoples poo poo (lol) out in public but then both floor shitters think the other one got away with it.
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Why not say "I will be talking to them later"?
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Jaded Burnout posted:Why not say "I will be talking to them later"? Because you don’t tell your subordinates about your plans for disciplining your other subordinates.
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I've seen managers handle this by saying "I know you're not the only one doing it, everyone who is will be spoken to." That way they're not naming names but still communicating that the employee they are currently talking to is not being singled out.
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Weedle posted:Because you don’t tell your subordinates about your plans for disciplining your other subordinates. On the other hand you've just taken a report of unacceptable behaviour so it seems reasonable to inform them that you'll look into it.
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Speaking of making GBS threads on the floor, has anyone had a phantom pooper at work? We had somebody who used to take a dump in the area at the top of the fire exit stairs.
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Jaded Burnout posted:On the other hand you've just taken a report of unacceptable behaviour so it seems reasonable to inform them that you'll look into it. Naturally, but we are talking about the kind of people that were already making GBS threads on the floor in front of clients so for them there's no justice unless they personally witnessed it.
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To be fair, yes, that would have been more professional, but it did also serve to make me watch my behavior all day, which was probably part of her intent. He works Friday through Monday and I was off today due to having a toddler with a fever so I don't know how he behaved since but the sting of a public call-out was already fading by the mid-afternoon.
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Weedle posted:Because you don’t tell your subordinates about your plans for disciplining your other subordinates. 100x this. There are rare occasions where public discipline is a good idea, but generally it's no one else's loving business. A childish response like that deserves a blank stare and a good long silence.
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Thanks Ants posted:Speaking of making GBS threads on the floor, has anyone had a phantom pooper at work? We had somebody who used to take a dump in the area at the top of the fire exit stairs. At my previous company we had to install security cameras in our Chinese call center because disgruntled night shifters kept pissing on the office floor. No pooping though. Weedle posted:Because you don’t tell your subordinates about your plans for disciplining your other subordinates. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
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I used to work at a place that packaged some stuff for a large company that rhymes with Belloggs and when that cell phone vid got put on the youtubes of some guy pulling a box of Corn Flakes off the conveyor, whipping his dick out and pissing in it the company had a collective panic attack and we didn't even make Corn Flakes
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tactlessbastard posted:I used to work at a place that packaged some stuff for a large company that rhymes with Belloggs and when that cell phone vid got put on the youtubes of some guy pulling a box of Corn Flakes off the conveyor, whipping his dick out and pissing in it the company had a collective panic attack and we didn't even make Corn Flakes Wow, who pissed in that guy’s c... oh.
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