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Whitenoise Poster posted:Lot's of people DESPERATELY trying spin the backlash as a masculinity thing, or a nostalgia thing when literally no one gives a poo poo about the old thunder cats outside of degenerates drawing porn of Cheetara and Kit. It's just ugly guys sorry. Even if it was so ugly people died of looking at it, it would still be that and a masculinity/nostalgia thing.
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People definitely do give a poo poo about the old one, because I've seen threaded tweets of people melting down over this new version just for being announced.
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May 21, 2018 02:37
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Whitenoise Poster posted:Man that new Thundercats has the ugliest art style I've seen since Problem Solvers and all the non-intro animation looks like it was done on a $0.30 budget. https://twitter.com/Jpolgar1/status/997770794439618561
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May 21, 2018 03:05
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This tweet upthread is better https://twitter.com/uselessh0rnyboy/status/997653039409451008
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dogsicle posted:This tweet upthread is better why did he have to put that last sentence in, he could have passed as a normal person worth listening to.
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Hemingway To Go! posted:why did he have to put that last sentence in, he could have passed as a normal person worth listening to. I think his second sentence also ruined it
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May 21, 2018 03:28
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I mean, the butt ugly art style is true.
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May 21, 2018 03:46
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I'd be fine with that kind of statement except people seem to imply the original show didn't also have butt ugly art, which it super super did. That show was butt rear end ugly rear end
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May 21, 2018 03:49
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Honestly I think I've reached the point in my life where I'm not going to begrudge a cartoon or its artists for whatever artstyle or theme it chooses to have-if it appeals to me, great, if not, I wish them the best. ...Well, with some exceptions.
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Macaluso posted:That show was butt rear end ugly rear end
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The new cartoon looks fine and the reason shows look the way they do is because people draw how they like to draw and not because of an enforced house style. Most pilots don't stray too far from this kind of style. This is how the current younger generation likes to art. It's also cute art. Ugly is like, super duper sumos (if anything there's more visual variety in cartoons now because TV animation is not solely the exclusive domain of CalArts anymore)
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New thundercats is trying to look like what wander over yonder and gumball looks like and failing absolutely miserably. We can and in fact have cartoons that do that style well and this is not it. At least Cheetra design is obviously ugly specifically to drive away horny internet creeps but the rest of the characters don't have that excuse. OK KO is "cute". Several other modern cartoons can be called cute .If you think new thundercats can be called cute we can't really have a discussion because we have a fundamental disagreement on what words mean. I'll go as far to say Teen Titans Go, while going for something different then cute, pulls off what it's trying for better then what this looks like. The only thing that can really save it is if it goes in as hard as Go does on deliberately enraging people on the internet. And even then it'll still be the worst looking show airing. Whitenoise Poster fucked around with this message at 05:20 on May 21, 2018 |
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May 21, 2018 05:14
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I think that the show looks cute and that it looks fun.
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It does make me wonder what's up with how more realistic artstyles have really receded from most animation, pretty much only the superhero shows have managed to hold out, and of the survivors, the more realistic styles all look really samey; they've all got this weirdly muted color palette, extra-big irises, single layer of shading, and exact same level of detail, same framerate aside from the occasional extra budget sequence, same style, same faces. It's really weird. Seriously, between Young Justice, Legend of Korra, Thundercats 2011, Avengers Assemble, Ultimate Spiderman, and all the recent animated DC movies, those all look so much the same, far more than all the less realistic cartoons floating around now. dogsicle posted:This tweet upthread is better Well technically it's not a bun, since it's all splayed and loose at the other end like he's got a little palm tree on his head, missing the only positive to the man bun where it's supposed to be neater than just a bunch of free hair splayed everywhere. Whitenoise Poster posted:OK KO is "cute". Several other modern cartoons can be called cute .If you think new thundercats can be called cute we can't really have a discussion because we have a fundamental disagreement on what words mean. I feel like OK KO's style is really reminiscent of old PS1 graphics, with the fingerless potato hands and low amount of detail. SlothfulCobra fucked around with this message at 05:42 on May 21, 2018 |
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I’ve just realised the new Thundercats style reminds me of Kate Beaton’s work. I’m ok with that. I’ve seen people call this the CalArts style, and yeah, the big circle eyes and noodle limbs thing does seem to crop up a lot, but there’s just as many shows that don’t.
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People who think this style is ugly don't know what it was like growing up in the era of Klasky-Csupo.
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This conversation has mostly reminded me how much not-my-bag is TTG. I was really into the original as a teen and I remember being disappointed when it turned out that the new one was... that. I think this Thundercats thing looks slightly better than TTG but there's something that doesn't quite work with their movements. Dunno why.
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paradoxGentleman posted:I think this Thundercats thing looks slightly better than TTG but there's something that doesn't quite work with their movements. Dunno why. Kind of reminds me of a MAD tv doodle in motion. Argue posted:People who think this style is ugly don't know what it was like growing up in the era of Klasky-Csupo. Maybe Jumanji cartoon. The kids looked like sausage people.
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The backlash against the new Thundercats cartoon is dumb as gently caress. The cartoon looks fine and will probably be perfectly harmless. It’s not like it’s another Canadian monstrosity or anything. *whipcrack!* The backlash against the CalArts style in general on the other hand is much more interesting. I think it’s fair to say that CN and other networks have overused it in an attempt to keep costs down and it’s starting to grate on people. If I were a CN exec I’d seriously consider making a couple of more realistic shows just for visual variety.
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I love that dumbasses on Twitter are insulting actual professional animators by using CalArts like a four-letter word instead of being a very good school.
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The backlash to the "cal arts style" is stupid because there is no cal arts style. People have been using that as an insult for cartoons for YEARS, even though the styles keep changing. It's not like all these shows have the same style! They have similar design ideas, I guess, but the people that say Gumball looks like Steven Universe which looks like Teen Titans Go which looks like idk whatever else, are idiots. None of these shows look a like. I remember that post from a few years ago where people had the general head shape of Dipper, Steven, Gumball and Star and then removed all the unique features and then just had the same general head shape. And everyone was like SEE ALL THESE SHOWS LOOK ALIKE and it's like yeah if you remove everything that makes the shows look unique they sure do look alike, moronTwoPair posted:I love that dumbasses on Twitter are insulting actual professional animators by using CalArts like a four-letter word instead of being a very good school. I love the dumbasses that are not only doing this, but are also in actual art school and stuff hoping to get jobs in the industry soon. On their completely open not at all private twitter accounts
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"Gumball has bad, unoriginal character designs" - a complete idiot who has never seen Gumball
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There are definitely a lot of interesting observations you could make about the proliferation of certain style elements and decline of others, and the bottleneck of so many prominent animators going through the same school could definitely have played a part in that, but just saying "this is the same ol' CalArts" is too vague to really mean anything. It looks like Thundercats Roar is planning on being very mutable and going off model a bunch, so there's not really too many conclusions you can draw, but there is a certain lack of aesthetic appeal, and the one consistent element in the clip was that Lionel's hair looked like a weirdly placed red banana, so that's a point against it. readingatwork posted:The backlash against the new Thundercats cartoon is dumb as gently caress. The cartoon looks fine and will probably be perfectly harmless. It’s not like it’s another Canadian monstrosity or anything. I think it'll probably be bad (based off of very few data points), but it'll probably be a more lowkey bad. Even though there apparently is a fanbase of people who care about Thundercats, it's not the same perfect combination that fuels the hate for TTG, and since it's a wildly different take than previous incarnations, it won't have the same comparison issue that NuPPG had. And unless Cartoon Network decides to fill all its airtime with the new show, it'll probably come and go with little fanfare overall. Although if the backlash makes too big of a splash, I would worry about Cartoon Network drawing the wrong conclusion from things.
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Macaluso posted:The backlash to the "cal arts style" is stupid because there is no cal arts style.
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I'd be okay with that; especially if Kieth David still voiced Goliath.
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Someone posted a Berserk version of this a while back and my reaction was “gently caress man, where do I sign up!?” e: Found it: https://twitter.com/anotherjoystick/status/997997541378666496?s=21 readingatwork fucked around with this message at 18:35 on May 21, 2018 |
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i think a lot of people are mistaking channels having house styles, for schools funneling everyone into those styles. like, pretty much every new CN show looks roughly the same. there's not really any big variation in art style except for specific details and touches: everyone's SD and rounded and makes weird faces and has cutesy anime eyes. similarly, every new Disney show basically looks like Gravity Falls with different flourishes here and there. that doesn't mean CalArts is brainwashing the creators of these shows, it just means... TV execs want stuff like the stuff that already makes money for them. 
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I always used to think of how silly it was that the haters were getting worked up over TTG and that they'd use nostalgia as an excuse for being as vocal as they were. Then I'd think of this show specifically as a counterexample since I grew up with it and how I wouldn't have any problems. There is a curious lack of Nosferatu Zodd here.
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DoctorWhat posted:"CalArts" is increasingly becoming a dogwhistle targeting anything and anyone that seems queer or appeals to queer people. Oh geez. Really? This is the sort of thing I am terrible at picking up on.
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What queer shows is it being leveled at other than SU? Because in the context of this Thundercats stuff it doesn't seem like there's significant queer content or appeal to dogwhistle.
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dogsicle posted:What queer shows is it being leveled at other than SU? Because in the context of this Thundercats stuff it doesn't seem like there's significant queer content or appeal to dogwhistle. Star vs has had guys kissing in the background, Gravity Falls is very gay friendly (Sheriff Blubs and Deputy Durland), Adventure Time has stated Princess Bubblegum and Marceline used to date. That’s off the top of my head.
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There's a couple background characters in OK KO that are pretty heavily implied to be gay as well.
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Is anyone else surprised we haven’t had a fully out gay protagonist in a cartoon yet? I honestly thought that they’d of done that by now. And no Kora doesn’t count. You only get half points if you give yourself plausible deniability or throw it in at the last minute to avoid the risk of people being mad about you. I’m talking about something on the level of Pearl from Steven Universe but the main character.
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Thompsons posted:There's a couple background characters in OK KO that are pretty heavily implied to be gay as well. The Skeleton and Bear that run the frame shop are pretty close for certain.
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Thompsons posted:There's a couple background characters in OK KO that are pretty heavily implied to be gay as well. Pretty sure Enid and Red Action have a crush on each other, I was only half paying attention to the latest episode (Red Action Back to the Future?) but I think it spelled it out pretty clearly. Another show I thought of is Craig of the Creek, the goth "witches" are lesbians.
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I'm... kind of starting to wonder if there's popular cartoons now that haven't had queer content of some kind.BioEnchanted posted:The Skeleton and Bear that run the frame shop are pretty close for certain. Actually, nope, that's not who people are talking about- it's the monk guy and his buddy (I know one of them is named Jof?)
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