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I think many of the issues with the original season 4 come from it's slow start and it starting with some of the less interesting plots, like George Sr. and Michael's time in college. (Not to mention Lindsey's awful wig) You're also missing the presence of other characters as it's very solo focused in those first episodes. The slow start comes to a great payoff however, and subsequent rewatches are always fantastic because you pick up on all the little clever details and can unravel the bizarre plotting. Season 4 is definitely up there with the early seasons in my eyes, but it can be different and jarring coming straight out of the syndicated series. I very much enjoyed the remix, it was a great way to binge it in the background whilst doing work ahead of season 5. However I agree with the guy who created the video earlier, in that it was mostly unnecessary and a shame that it's presence effectively erases the first watch within Netflix, and feels like an attempted 'fix' to a problem with Season 4 that wasn't one of editing. It will be curious to see how people who have never watched Season 4 react to it.
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Supercar Gautier posted:I'm halfway through the season 4 remix and... the edit is not working, at all. It's still not properly chronological because it has to keep doubling back and recapping. The narration has to work so hard to be the connective tissue between scenes that are utterly disconnected. If the purpose was to express the overarching story more clearly, it's a failure, and the individual episodes are now much less focused as well. I think season 4 has a couple of really amazing jokes (Fakeblock, a few things in the GOB/Tony Wonder plot), but it also has a gigantic amount of clunkers that rely on self-reference and simple wordplay, or sometimes simple slapstick. It's really noticeable.
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May 23, 2018 11:47
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Yeah I hate the ANUSTART joke and thought it was trying too hard
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May 23, 2018 12:35
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Season 4 has a lot of jokes that feel like they were "the best we can do" without being able to use more than one of the main cast at a time, which I think is what really drags it down more than the format itself. Virtually nothing involving George's sweat lodge buddies, DeBrie, etc. were worth more than a chuckle. And that was basically all there was for a few episodes. The face blind guy was pretty funny (I guess they do well with blind girlfriend/boyfriend humor) and Gob fared pretty well, but still, a lot of dead air. Spacing that stuff out among more stuff with the main cast definitely helps, but it doesn't really fix it, ultimately. It's less painful at first, but it lasts longer.
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May 23, 2018 13:14
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What are those pieces of Tobias' Thing suit that look like sticks of butter coming out of his shoulderblade? I just assumed the joke is that it's mismatched foam but I want to make sure I'm not missing some kind of butter joke because of Carl Weathers' Swappigans
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May 23, 2018 16:41
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Isometric Bacon posted:It will be curious to see how people who have never watched Season 4 react to it. I have not watched season 4 since it debuted and have very little recollection of it, and 3 episodes into the remix and it seems almost incomprehensible. It feels like a giant recap that would only work for those who have a better recollection of the season. I can’t see it working as anything other than background filler for anyone who never watched the original cut.
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May 23, 2018 17:24
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Empress Brosephine posted:Yeah I hate the ANUSTART joke and thought it was trying too hard I thought the fact that it was his licence plate was a great gag, but half the cast repeating it 87 times per episode wore thin.
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May 23, 2018 18:01
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The best joke in season four is when George Michael almost does his chicken dance, only to be interrupted.
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May 23, 2018 18:16
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The ANUSTART gag definitely felt a wee bit forced, but it was great when Lucille called him that and the narrator said "And she hadn't even seen the license plate."
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May 23, 2018 18:23
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The sex offender thing was a classic example of one of my least favorite television tropes, where if anybody actually explained what was really going on, the plot couldn't happen.
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May 23, 2018 20:43
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Boy, this cast interview reflects really poorly on every dude on the show: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/23/arts/television/arrested-development-netflix-interview-jeffrey-tambor.html Jessica Walter literally goes into tears recalling a time Tambor exploded at her on set, and all the male cast members try to downplay it and talk over her until she is sufficiently forgiving. Bateman is a particular piece of poo poo about it.
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May 23, 2018 22:53
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Supercar Gautier posted:Boy, this cast interview reflects really poorly on every dude on the show: Holy poo poo, that audio is depressing. Poor Jessica.
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May 23, 2018 23:03
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LividLiquid posted:The sex offender thing was a classic example of one of my least favorite television tropes, where if anybody actually explained what was really going on, the plot couldn't happen. Sure, but tobias talking about "daddy's thing" and helping him "get his rocks off" might be the best thing written that the always oblivious doofus has ever said. I howled the first time I heard that bit. Yes, I'm childish.
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May 23, 2018 23:05
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Supercar Gautier posted:Bateman is a particular piece of poo poo about it. Look, he's just trying to helpfully explain how the industry works to a woman who was an accomplished actress before he was even born. Christ, what a piece of poo poo.
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May 24, 2018 00:32
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Yea......I don't think I like Jason Bateman anymore, that was a truly lovely interview.
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May 24, 2018 01:05
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So, I don't think theres gonna be a season 6 of Arrested Development, fellas.
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May 24, 2018 03:23
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That was disappointing.
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May 24, 2018 03:39
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Yeah, what little interest I had in watching season 5 just evaporated after reading that interview.
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May 24, 2018 05:09
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Yeah, what little interest I had in watching season 5 just evaporated after reading that interview. I was looking forward to it, but I don't know if I can get over Bateman being almost as bad as Tambor and the idea that anything resembling season 6 would still have Tambor because of Bateman.
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May 24, 2018 05:14
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Dogwood Fleet posted:I was looking forward to it, but I don't know if I can get over Bateman being almost as bad as Tambor and the idea that anything resembling season 6 would still have Tambor because of Bateman. It's particularly galling because they're going to be using the Bluths to make fun of Trump, and while normally I'd be totally on board for that, it's gonna feel more than just a tad hypocritical given Tambor's past issues on "Transparent" and the problems Bateman and Cross apparently have with mansplaining and just acting like jackasses when it comes to certain issues women have. I'm glad to see Alia Shawkat wasn't having any of their poo poo, and I wouldn't be surprised if she opts of out of coming back for any potential Season 6. I also wonder if that wasn't at least part of the reason why Portia de Rossi finally said "gently caress acting" and decided to do something else.
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May 24, 2018 05:21
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It's been a long time since an interview just completely killed my interest in a show or actor. These aren't off the cuff remarks by Bateman. It's clear he's thought about this and long justified it. Any apology is going to ring really hollow to me. Apologize to the crying woman next you and yeah sure but it's too late for that.
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May 24, 2018 05:42
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SunshineDanceParty posted:It's been a long time since an interview just completely killed my interest in a show or actor. These aren't off the cuff remarks by Bateman. It's clear he's thought about this and long justified it. Any apology is going to ring really hollow to me. Apologize to the crying woman next you and yeah sure but it's too late for that. Thankfully, Bateman and Cross are apparently really getting raked over the coals on Twitter etc. for defending Tambor and brushing Jessica Walter aside during that interview. Their conduct during that interview really turned off a lot of people.
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May 24, 2018 06:06
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That's one of the more impressive examples of people refusing to get the point. It's especially bizarre in that Tambor barely even tries to defend himself - he just lets his cohort do it for him. I expect I'll still watch the season but lol this'll definitely be the last. stev fucked around with this message at 08:05 on May 24, 2018 |
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May 24, 2018 07:59
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Thankfully, Bateman and Cross are apparently really getting raked over the coals on Twitter etc. for defending Tambor and brushing Jessica Walter aside during that interview. Their conduct during that interview really turned off a lot of people. I don't think anyone with a dick comes out of that interview well. Cross, at times, seemed to try and contextualise at least that this wasn't Tambor coming in one day and deciding to be a dick and that perhaps he and Walter had been butting heads for a while. But that's a pretty generous reading of what he's saying. What's galling is the willingness they have to defend Tambor instantly, Bateman in particular. Like I have no doubt they're friends but you can still be friends and say you know what, what you did was a lovely thing and I hope you've learned from it. What's sad is that mid-interview Walter realises she has no one's support (Apart from Shawcat) and just decides to drop it.
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May 24, 2018 10:57
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https://twitter.com/batemanjason/status/999595735212609536 Or, to summarise, “I’ve made a huge mistake...” And I imagine he’s just as sincere as GOB generally is about fixing his fuckup 
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May 24, 2018 12:11
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I don’t know where I read it but supposedly Tambor went to bat for Bateman being cast in AD when he couldn’t get work for being a coke head which maybe explains his willingness to go to bat for Tambor. Still lovely though.
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May 24, 2018 13:02
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Man, Bateman is kind of a fucker. I'm not even gonna bother with the new season. I was on the fence about hopping back in, but hearing a bunch of assholes dogpile onto a veteran actress that's crying is just really kinda gross.
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May 24, 2018 13:15
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PT6A posted:https://twitter.com/batemanjason/status/999595735212609536 Yeah, that's about as half-assed an apology as it gets. I wouldn't blame Jessica Walter one bit if she told him and the rest of those guys to go gently caress themselves.
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May 24, 2018 13:18
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Idk as far as celebrity apologies goes that's a million times better than most. He actually admits fault.
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May 24, 2018 13:20
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What's really sad is listening to Jessica say "I've been in this business for 60 years" and imagining all the sexist poo poo she's had to deal with in that time, then her saying "It's never been like this" and still being completely dismissed because men are fragile. Bateman was especially lovely but for Cross to come out and say "He's still learning!!" The dude is in his drat 70s but boys will boys, even when they're elderly. Jessica is amazing (I actually just saw her on an episode of Columbo lol) she doesn't deserve this poo poo.
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May 24, 2018 14:10
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The line "there’s never any excuse for abuse, in any form, from any gender." in the apology seems like a weird thing to add in, like suggesting hey you don't realise how annoying Walters was being before the abuse.
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May 24, 2018 14:32
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SunshineDanceParty posted:It's been a long time since an interview just completely killed my interest in a show or actor. That interview is brutal. Tambor was basically handed a second chance based on how beloved the show is and he squandered it entirely because he couldn't just say "I was an rear end in a top hat and I'm going to try and not be an rear end in a top hat anymore and I'm sorry Jessica". And Bateman doubled down and made it worse. And Cross did his usual smug superiority thing when he talked about Trump and the audience probably not being smart enough to realize how prescient some of the jokes in the previous seasons were ... and then immediately acted like the stupidest of Trump supporters and jumped to the defence of an obvious monster. gently caress these people and especially gently caress them for souring me on a great show. At least Shawkat came across as a voice of reason. I hope she never works with these shitheads again.
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May 24, 2018 14:37
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Annabel Pee posted:The line "there’s never any excuse for abuse, in any form, from any gender." in the apology seems like a weird thing to add in, like suggesting hey you don't realise how annoying Walters was being before the abuse. That kinda sat wrong with me, too. Along with his comments about rushing to support Tambor and claiming he didn't realize he was doing so at Jessica's expense. He (and the other men present) basically just took Tambor's side without a second thought, even as the woman Tambor verbally abused was sitting there crying right in front of them. So as far as I'm concerned it's less of a genuine apology, and more just an attempt at damage control once he realized people were outraged. E: also, gently caress David Cross. He's always bern kind of unbearable in regards to considering himself intellectually superior to everyone else, but he's really disappeared up his own rear end about it in the last decade or so. Sydney Bottocks fucked around with this message at 15:23 on May 24, 2018 |
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May 24, 2018 15:18
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I like that the actual first line of defense was ‘Hey hold on now lady, I’ve yelled at you too. FAMILY!’
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May 24, 2018 15:49
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Sydney Bottocks posted:E: also, gently caress David Cross. He's always bern kind of unbearable in regards to considering himself intellectually superior to everyone else, but he's really disappeared up his own rear end about it in the last decade or so. Maybe he'll just use his "it was a meta-comedy bit when I was acting like a total douche you just didn't understand it because I work at such a higher level than most people" excuse again.
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May 24, 2018 16:00
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This also means that Hurwitz had every reason to believe that the accusations against Tambor from the crew of Transparent were true, but decided to keep Tambor on anyway. I don't follow this sort of thing closely and thought that Arrested Development was well into filming/post production when the accusations came to light and that cutting Tambor would have been nearly impossible at that point.
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May 24, 2018 18:17
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Hmm. I don't think Hurwitz and most of the cast would carry on if Tambor left. Even though his role feels less and less relevant each season.
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May 24, 2018 18:19
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Filming was complete by the time the accusations came out. They most certainly didn't have a reasonable way to edit Tambor out of the show at that point, but that doesn't mean they had to stand by him and try to wish away the elephant in the room. I think Netflix and Hurwitz gambled on the hope that the backlash would be minimal, and are only now realizing how toxic this situation is.
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May 24, 2018 18:23
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S4 OG has some of the actual biggest laughs in the series and this recut doesn’t maintain that at all. Some of the new gags are good, nothing will ever top the Mongolian reveal at the end, and Gob’s roofie circle is too diminished. The remix is fine, but I’m one of the people who thought S4 was brilliant. As disappointing as all this Tambor clamour is, I still can’t wait for S5 to drop. Also, apparently the cast didn’t get paid for the remix and they all think that’s bullshit
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Supercar Gautier posted:Filming was complete by the time the accusations came out. They most certainly didn't have a reasonable way to edit Tambor out of the show at that point, but that doesn't mean they had to stand by him and try to wish away the elephant in the room. I think Netflix and Hurwitz gambled on the hope that the backlash would be minimal, and are only now realizing how toxic this situation is. Ah, you're right. I looked it up and filming started in August.
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