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Goodsir was also a criminal who stole an identity but a big believer in nominative determinism
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Oh, can I also say that the cannibalism scene where poor Crozier had to eat Goodsir was really hard to watch. I think feet are gross anyways, so gently caress me that was  Also watching Goodsir's suicide was super  and his death scene was well done! I'm sad this one is over, but it was amazing and a perfect run at ten episodes!
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May 22, 2018 13:28
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Milo and POTUS posted:Goodsir was also a criminal who stole an identity but a big believer in nominative determinism Uh, you mean Hickey? How exactly did tuunbaq die? Choked on the chain?
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May 22, 2018 17:49
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Hasselblad posted:Uh, you mean Hickey? whoosh
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May 22, 2018 17:52
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Jikes posted:whoosh Milo and POTUS posted:Goodsir was also a criminal who stole an identity ?
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May 22, 2018 18:17
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Phi230 posted:It's a good thing the show is done after this season and that these dumb goon anthology ideas aren't coming to pass http://www.tvguide.com/news/the-terror-season-2-amc/ quote:When AMC greenlit the show now almost three years ago, they greenlit it as an anthology show. Meaning Season 1 would be the story of the Franklin Expedition, and subsequent seasons would take on a new narrative that carried the DNA that we established in Season 2. I honestly don't mind. It'll be "The Terror" in name only since absolutely no one will be returning. Showrunners/creators are out. If season 2 turns out to be stupid, it doesn't erase how incredible season 1 was.
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May 22, 2018 18:38
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He stole the name Goodsir and thought he should act accordingly because he believed in nominative determinism.
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May 22, 2018 18:44
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Milo and POTUS posted:He stole the name Goodsir and thought he should act accordingly because he believed in nominative determinism. I must have missed that in the bad dialogue audio. 
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May 22, 2018 21:06
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Milo and POTUS posted:He stole the name Goodsir and thought he should act accordingly because he believed in nominative determinism. What episode was this?
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May 22, 2018 21:19
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Milo and POTUS posted:He stole the name Goodsir and thought he should act accordingly because he believed in nominative determinism. I think I missed this in the show....
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May 22, 2018 21:20
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It was a last minute reveal in the book, and tbh I'm glad they didn't include it in the series.
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May 22, 2018 21:33
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So basically the entire Royal Navy was just a bunch of dudes catfishing each other? 
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May 22, 2018 21:53
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loving hell goons are dense.
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May 22, 2018 22:05
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One thing I learned last night, my man Goodsir was played by an actor named Paul Ready, who was perfect for the role both in talent and already being named after an adjective. Also this show was good and I thoroughly enjoyed it, cheap cgi and all
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May 22, 2018 22:10
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Iodised QQ posted:One thing I learned last night, my man Goodsir was played by an actor named Paul Ready, who was perfect for the role both in talent and already being named after an adjective. Yeah, they really made mountains out of molehills with obviously limited budgets and sets.
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May 22, 2018 22:13
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Iodised QQ posted:One thing I learned last night, my man Goodsir was played by an actor named Paul Ready, who was perfect for the role both in talent and already being named after an adjective. Paul Ready is great in whatever he shows up in. check out bbc's Utopia, and the few episodes of The Tunnel that he has a role in
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May 22, 2018 22:29
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I didn't like the ending. I figured they would go different from the book, but I thought they were setting Crozier up to become Tuunbaq, especially when they showed how human his face was (awesome creature design, btw).
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May 22, 2018 22:30
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Interesting interview with the showrunner on BI today http://www.businessinsider.com/amcs-the-terror-creator-talks-about-10-year-journey-to-make-it-2018-5
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May 23, 2018 00:37
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So what happened with the other party? Insanity/ cannibalism? The chains were creepy. What did he say before he died? Book Spoilers: My take on Hickey is that he had the second sight that Crozier had in the books and was being haunted by dreams of Tuunbaq. He accepts Tuunbaq as a god before it all goes wrong and cuts off his tongue, similarly to how Crozier eventually submits in the book.
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May 23, 2018 01:14
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Finished it. Good show. I also had a very hard time identifying who was who. Thankfully no more Arby's ads in the final episode.
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May 23, 2018 03:12
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That last episode was amazing. From what I've read about the book, it seems like the changes they made were for the better. Tuunbaq also managed to really creep me out as it was dying/dead, it reminded me way too much of Sloth from The Goonies before then.
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May 23, 2018 05:35
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If you realized that Milo was making a joke, please take one step forward Edit: not so fast, hassle bad
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May 23, 2018 05:44
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Kinda sad how little Lady Silence was used compared to the book
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May 23, 2018 06:08
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BlackJosh posted:Kinda sad how little Lady Silence was used compared to the book She did seem to just be there because she was in the book, without actually doing what she did in the book. Dunno which Hickey death was less satisfying, book or TV. Book seemed to veer toward Stephen King than the abruptness of the show.
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May 23, 2018 15:50
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I enjoyed the book version in that he was a smug self proclaimed god that very quickly learned the wrath of a real god, but I also like my head-canon for his death in the show.
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May 23, 2018 19:55
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The cool thing about the book death is that it offers an explanation for why later searchers found an abandoned boat with two skeletons, one of them scattered/damaged and the other one in good condition.
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May 23, 2018 20:20
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Professor Shark posted:I enjoyed the book version in that he was a smug self proclaimed god that very quickly learned the wrath of a real god, but I also like my head-canon for his death in the show. The whole "not comfortable with him staring at me, I'll just cut his eyes out. I can always fix him later" thing was pretty spooky. It just occurred to me that they never again mentioned the small handful of guys who remained with the ships after they left them behind (in the show version).
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May 23, 2018 21:01
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Presumably they just went crazy-go-nuts like everyone else did. Guess they didn't have the time or budget to just show another scene where the ship guys tell the Eskimos to buzz off.
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May 23, 2018 23:23
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Binary Badger posted:Presumably they just went crazy-go-nuts like everyone else did. Why even have them stay at the ships? They all went in the book. 
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May 23, 2018 23:42
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Hasselblad posted:Why even have them stay at the ships? They all went in the book. They found the ships with remains a couple years ago.
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May 24, 2018 00:08
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I know it'll be difficult, but if you know you're going to die of starvation or freezing, try to leave either a mysterious or humorous skeleton.
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May 24, 2018 00:10
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Hasselblad posted:Why even have them stay at the ships? They all went in the book. It was strange, because even as they were leaving, Crozier was looking over the ship like they were abandoning it and I was thinking "people are staying, right?" I'm guessing that's why he didn't want to leave anyone else behind on the march...poor Dobson... I can't wait to give this another watch through on bluray. Good interview with the showrunner/writer from TVGuide: http://www.tvguide.com/news/the-terror-season-1-finale-review-ending-tuunbaq/?ftag=twtrsoshares quote:The Terror was horrifying on so many levels, but what was unique about the show was its ability to create a sense of horror throughout all the episodes despite vast changes in scenery and situation. Was there a common baseline you established to make the show's sense of horror consistent throughout the 10 episodes? I wondered if they actually canted the sets or the camera...what a great show!
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May 24, 2018 00:15
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quote:she as a second-in-command shaman who loses her Tunnbaq Uh, I don't think these guys read the book very closely toward it's end. It was not "her Tuunbaq". It was a literal god (there was only one) that the shamans kept at bay with offerings so it would not come and devour their peoples souls. They did not control it and it wasn't their pet. The reason it was not nice with the white sailors is that the Shaman's agreement was that Tuunbaq could have the entire arctic for itself and only the Shaman would venture there. Hasselblad fucked around with this message at 00:34 on May 24, 2018 |
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May 24, 2018 00:29
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Hasselblad posted:Uh, I don't think these guys read the book very closely toward it's end. It was not "her Tuunbaq". It was a literal god (there was only one) that the shamans kept at bay with offerings so it would not come and devour their peoples souls. They did not control it and it wasn't their pet. The reason it was not nice with the white sailors is that the Shaman's agreement was that Tuunbaq could have the entire arctic for itself and only the Shaman would venture there. I took "loses her Tuunbaq" to mean that she's the priestess to a dead god. The show never implies that she has actual control over it. In general I'm not particularly concerned with what's in the book because everything I've heard sounds as if it was improved in the adaptation, and also that Dan Simmons is off his loving rocker. As for the crew left on the ships I thought it was communicated pretty clearly in their dialogue with Crozier that it was always considered a long shot for the ships to sail again and that the men primarily volunteered to die in familiar surroundings rather than leave.
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:15,000-25,000 calories per man per day versus extended rationing waiting for the ice to thaw. Speaking as someone who has pulled an akio for days on end up and down mountains in Alaska, that is unlikely. Granted an akio is not a boat sledge but they could never have burned that many calories and lived more than a week unless they were athletes in prime physical condition. Sailors with scurvy and lead poisoning, suffering from malnutrition and probably dehydration; no loving way. edit; to be clear, I'm not calling you a liar or anything I'm sure someone broke out their calculator and put a lot of thought into coming up with those numbers but in reality there is no way they could sustain that amount of effort and live. They might do it once, or twice, but they would need days between to recover physically. wormil fucked around with this message at 06:11 on May 24, 2018 |
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May 24, 2018 05:47
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i think the show does a good job of basically portraying them as totally hosed from episode 3 onwards. as soon as they lose franklin, and crozier's still a drunk, they're doomed.
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May 24, 2018 05:59
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wormil posted:Speaking as someone who has pulled an akio for days on end up and down mountains in Alaska, that is unlikely. Granted an akio is not a boat sledge but they could never have burned that many calories and lived more than a week unless they were athletes in prime physical condition. Sailors with scurvy and lead poisoning, suffering from malnutrition and probably dehydration; no loving way. Yeah, I'll defer to experience on that one. And to be fair, the dudes were running around and being a bunch of cadets about it, and they definitely weren't doing the synchronized walking trick they did in the show, so there was a lot of wasted energy. I suppose the point is that it took enormous effort to pull the sledges, and would have been difficult/impossible to completely replace the calories they were using. Add in scurvy and lead poisoning and their strength waned even more quickly. Each man that becomes too weak to pull weighs down the sledge further, creating a ~cascade failure~ where you either get stuck or are forced to leave people behind. It's why the decision to try to walk out was so hard to come to and they only finally gave in to it when it was "walk out now or lose the chance to make even an attempt" time.
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UNRULY_HOUSEGUEST posted:I took "loses her Tuunbaq" to mean that she's the priestess to a dead god. The show never implies that she has actual control over it. In general I'm not particularly concerned with what's in the book because everything I've heard sounds as if it was improved in the adaptation, and also that Dan Simmons is off his loving rocker. It isn't high art, but I wouldn't dismiss it as off-the-rocker garbage. I thought of it more of a Stephen King+1 horror novel with a good dose of Patrick O'Brian style description. I think that the strongest parts of the show were when they stuck closely to the novel and that things progressively got worse the further they veered away from the source material. Certainly the Tuunbaq stuff was cooler in the books, with an entire chapter devoted to the mythology behind it, which I know some people didn't enjoy but I found to be increasingly horrific as I realized that the ships had sailed into a monsters den and that they were doomed from the beginning IIRC they even imply that Tuunbaq would have chased the men down even if they'd made it to the river, with the waters always freezing ahead of them. I also enjoy the ending much more, with Crozier becoming a servant to Tuunbaq after having haunted dreams of submitting to the eucharist as a child, with the priest becoming more and more monstrous. I know TV/IV doesn't read books and all, but check it out.
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Hasselblad posted:Uh, I don't think these guys read the book very closely toward it's end. It was not "her Tuunbaq". It was a literal god (there was only one) that the shamans kept at bay with offerings so it would not come and devour their peoples souls. They did not control it and it wasn't their pet. The reason it was not nice with the white sailors is that the Shaman's agreement was that Tuunbaq could have the entire arctic for itself and only the Shaman would venture there. The arrangement didn't mention the Shawoman though.
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Professor Shark posted:a smug self proclaimed god that very quickly learned the wrath of a real god Enough with the virgin Tuunbaq vs chad Blanky memes already.
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