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Ashford is definitely up to no good. He is Dawes' man, and Dawes cannot be trusted. Drummer told Dawes, when she rejected his advances, that she didn't trust, or like, him. I can't see him wanting her in charge of the Belt's only warship, he wants it for himself. What Ashford was doing, was using Naomi's reputation for being an associate of 'the saviour,' and Drummer's inexperience of command to undermine her authority. She was going to space the supplier, he appealed to Naomi's morality to prevent it. Then immediately afterwards, when Drummer was off balance, interrupted her and issued his instructions using her authority. It also has the effect of recruiting/pressing the black market into his service, because he saved them from spacing and having their markets shut down. Drummer should have sent him to clean the drive coils with a wet rag, showing him who was the boss, then beat the tar out of the dealer and supplier. Unfortunately she froze and became passive. He really doesn't care one hoot for the rule of law, but he does know that Drummer is hot headed and will take the law into her own hands. So using rule of law as a wedge between Drummer and her closest ally is his tactic to isolate and undermine Drummer's authority. I fully expect him to try and oust her, no doubt he will use the same supplier in some nefarious scheme, perhaps to (attempt to?) assassinate her, then space him, without a trial. For the sake of irony and the look on Naomi's face. Hopefully Drummer gets wise and spaces Ashford when he makes his move.  
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I want Drummer to have a friendly chat with The 100's  
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Collateral posted:Ashford is definitely up to no good. He is Dawes' man, and Dawes cannot be trusted. Drummer told Dawes, when she rejected his advances, that she didn't trust, or like, him. I can't see him wanting her in charge of the Belt's only warship, he wants it for himself. Edit: I tried elaborating on this but I think you covered it really, really well. TimWinter fucked around with this message at 13:29 on May 25, 2018 |
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If this does get picked up by Amazon I hope it gets a massive injection of exposure somehow like Black Mirror did with netflix, it's better than GoT at this point and Westworld has been getting shakey.TimWinter posted:This is a really good break down of that scene. For me book readers posting big effort posts of 'speculation' will never not be serious cringe.
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From what I get in the show Dawes will gladly appeal to peace, disarmament, dialogue, laws, order, and a sense of civilization just as much as he will steal weapon secrets, use war, chaos, anarchy and violence to achieve his means. Often while using the first set to justify the later, or even preach against it if it suits his speech.
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May 25, 2018 13:36
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TimWinter posted:This is a really good break down of that scene. The actor for Ashford is really great for how he sells the character especially the scene in which he manages to undermine Drummer in front the crew.
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Violence now more than ever is something we must avoid, my friends. For even the welwala dreams of peace, for the welwala is a dreamer. When he looks at a duster or an earther he doesn't see an enemy, he sees the inner as a model for us, the belters. A way to improve his people. He sees the inner as something we must become, something better, so even the welwala, in his own way, is thinking of the good of the belt. But. A dream... is a child's luxury. And in giving in to that dream the welwala ceases to be our beratna. Now. We must always treat others with dignity and respect, even those who are not our brothers and sisters. *Raising voice* But we must not let those childish affairs make us lose sight that the inners will hunt us and kill us. We must not let our compassion cloud the sight that to the inners we are either slaves or enemies. And if the welwala sees us not as enemies, brothers, then he sees us as slaves. And that, we must not allow, for as long as someone sees you a slave, then you can never truly be free. It is a terrible fate, my friends, but one these people inflicted upon themselves. We do this not out of hate, but out of love. *Dawes' vassals kill a bunch of random people
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Dawes did literally nothing wrong
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Im worried we wont see much of Avassarala and Bobbie and Prax anymore  Any news on the show's situation? Did amazon saved it or not?
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Elias_Maluco posted:Im worried we wont see much of Avassarala and Bobbie and Prax anymore Bezos is still staying away from the agua.
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Imagine thinking Dawes is a bad guy
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The timeskip annoys me a bit. There was some good character stuff towards the end of the second book that I was hoping to see.
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Grand Fromage posted:The eyeroll then spiral in on Holden is fantastic. That whole subplot was hilarious especially the whole motivation by tits leading to that incredibility gruesome death.
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People doing dumb poo poo for understandable, yet stupid and short-sighted reasons is how the entire Expanse plot works.
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I'm glad that in this future banana hammocks are still around. Poor Mateo
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It was a far better "dude dies in a tin can" subplot than the clunky Epstein flashback from season 2(or 1?).
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so I haven't seen the last season (been catching it on Netflix in Europe) but did it get picked up by Amazon or not? I can't really go through the thread to look, due to spoilers etc
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Signs are promising but it has not been picked up yet.
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Where the gently caress do I find the full version of Highway Star in Belta, I need that poo poo.
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Fister Roboto posted:PS mods please change the thread title to URINE - DO NOT DRINK Officially requested. Also the Amazon thing will come through, it just takes a while. A lot of ins, lot of outs, a lot of interested parties, etc.
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xthnru posted:Where the gently caress do I find the full version of Highway Star in Belta, I need that poo poo. We still haven't gotten the Lang Belta version of the Black Keys song from the first episode so who knows.
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I'm not holding my breath for amazon to do the right thing, they poo poo on two good pilots/shows i wanted to see continue in the last year: Britannia and Oasis. The current glut of marvel superhero bullshit makes me sad for the future of sci fi on TV.
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Hexel posted:I'm not holding my breath for amazon to do the right thing, they poo poo on two good pilots/shows i wanted to see continue in the last year: Britannia and Oasis. Britannia got renewed. I'm sad about their comedies (Sea Oak, Mozart In The Jungle, One Mississippi). Oasis looked pretty rad too.
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Highway Star was a perfect choice for this, although I probably would have preferred the original.
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DaveKap posted:I don't read the books and so I'm curious about this and whether or not it's much of a spoiler to tell us who should've said what line exactly... It's Miller. When he first reappears in the books it's the very end of Book Two and the last line of the book. Hey. We need to talk.
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Drowning In Terror posted:For me book readers posting big effort posts of 'speculation' will never not be serious cringe. Ashford is the commander already, Drummer is still serving as Fred's security officer on Tycho Station and Naomi is still on the Roci. That scene is 100% new IIRC.
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For the forty billionth time do not talk about the books in this thread Jesus gently caress
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TimWinter posted:For the forty billionth time do not talk about the books in this thread there are 9 books and like 5 novellas
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The books have many words in them, originally written in English then translated into multiple languages. Words such as "space", "Belt" and "asteroid".
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The first book in the series, and now that I think of it, probably all of them, were published
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bloom posted:The books have many words in them, originally written in English then translated into multiple languages. Words such as "space", "Belt" and "asteroid". There's a book thread
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TimWinter posted:For the forty billionth time do not talk about the books in this thread
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dawes is ruthless and more than a little ambitious but i think he's an actual patriot, plus he's kinda right that however well-intentioned johnson is he's still not really a belter. idk what the OPA's actual political position is now- are they recognized in any capacity by the inners?
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The thing is there is no one united "OPA", there's like 40 different groups all claiming to be the real OPA and getting into sectarian bullshit with all the others. The two most visible factions to the Inners are probably the Fred Johnson/Tycho faction who are somewhat more respectable, and then the more radical Dawes faction, but they're far from the only two big names and neither is really in control of anything more than their specific cadre. So if you ask what the OPA's positions are, you'll get a zillion different answers depending on who specifically you ask. The movement's got everything from milquetoast liberals who think a picket line will fix everything to real hardcore Belter Nationalists who'd be all for genociding the Inners to anarchists to terror cells and everything in between. Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 19:37 on May 25, 2018 |
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Anderson Dawes did nothing wrong.
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ATP_Power posted:Anderson Dawes did nothing wrong.
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ATP_Power posted:Anderson Dawes did nothing wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM_88FfHcIo
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God, "you're a grimy little pimp" has to be the truest thing anyone ever said to Pete Campbell.
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Crazycryodude posted:The thing is there is no one united "OPA", there's like 40 different groups all claiming to be the real OPA and getting into sectarian bullshit with all the others. The two most visible factions to the Inners are probably the Fred Johnson/Tycho faction who are somewhat more respectable, and then the more radical Dawes faction, but they're far from the only two big names and neither is really in control of anything more than their specific cadre. I mean their position as how does Earth recognize them- they clearly have to deal with Johnson at some level but idk if after stopping the hybrids he's managed to secure any political recongition
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tooterfish posted:gently caress whoever you want, you're not the boss of me. ahhh beltaloda!
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