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PMush Perfect posted:I mean, probably is the wrong term, I've been tuning you out for days already. Sorry darling, you've got donkey brains.
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Mush is an obvious fascist or a very bad liberal. DB is most likely Hitler given Pig's suggested nomination. Anything Byers says is garbage. Capn and Kumba are the anomalies. I am a liberal. You can say with 100% certainty or at least KB could... I am not Hitler, nominate me.
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May 26, 2018 19:56
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CapitalistPig posted:Yeah I guess. I mean maybe if it was like a game winning policy or something. Byers is smarter than this and you know it. It's weird he went all super fascist there, but you're making light of that play. Why would Hitler do that?
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May 26, 2018 19:59
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Game ends if current president is a fascist so might as well just get it on with.
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May 26, 2018 20:00
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If mush is just a bad lib, then she should nominate me. The only way game ends is if she draws no liberal policies.
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May 26, 2018 20:01
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:Anything Byers says is garbage. Words hurt, AA. Words hurt.
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May 26, 2018 20:16
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Another rules point: The President does not know what card was selected by the Chancellor when deciding veto. Neither player knows specifically what was discarded. But per AA, this post is garbage.
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May 26, 2018 20:19
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I wish you had had time to post yesterday.  I was waiting for you all day hoping you would post because I was pretty sure I wanted to dunk that government and wanted to make sure you were on board.
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May 26, 2018 20:29
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Hey, a quick thing I want to say: We've reached a point where people's actions as president/chancellor have become deterministic. Thus, when a government is confirmed, I will just go ahead and immediately post the legislature's action myself (liberal/fascist/veto) without consulting the players involved. If you think this decision is wrong, feel free to PM me (though really, I've thought through all scenarios I could come up with, and I don't see what I could've missed).
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May 26, 2018 20:30
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At this point, I am incredibly suspect of anyone who doesn't think I should be the next chancellor. CapitalistPig posted:lol what? I mean it could be, but it very well could be one of DB/kumba. DB played the last hand in the first deck and kumba played the first hand in the second deck. Both of them went liberal, but there was a lot of resistance towards nominating either of them for Byers. So the question, for me anyway and I'm guessing others, is did a Hitler Byers pick a fascist you and forced the fascist policy since he had no other option (since he can't know for sure if you're a fascist) or if you are actually a liberal and AA did end up voting no despite that the vote would likely hang in the balance. I'm trying to think through all the possibilities.
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May 26, 2018 20:43
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Byers painted me as a fascist, and denied me govt. Alongside everyone else. In not the fascist here. His play is unexpected.
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May 26, 2018 21:29
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:Byers painted me as a fascist, and denied me govt. Alongside everyone else. In not the fascist here. His play is unexpected. The only thing you should expect is the unexpected.
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May 26, 2018 21:56
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Man I am really loving good this game and really loving bad at being listened to! Just call me CapnCassandra I guess. PM, you want to win, you take me or kumba. I guess maybe TMM because the preponderance of evidence is that he's gullible liberal rather than fascist, but why loving risk it? Anyway you guys have fun losing now I'll be back to vote no on the very stupid nomination that happens 
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May 26, 2018 23:41
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CapnAndy posted:Man I am really loving good this game and really loving bad at being listened to! Just call me CapnCassandra I guess. I'm the gullible liberal? gently caress you. I was one saying we should hold back on Byers 2nd Presidency. You're the one who voted for it.
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May 26, 2018 23:53
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TMMadman posted:I'm the gullible liberal? gently caress you. I was one saying we should hold back on Byers 2nd Presidency. You're the one who voted for it. He's probably fascist or an idiot
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May 27, 2018 00:39
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I'm not sure why I didn't think about this before, but the fascists have to be: Byers, AA, <someone> or Byers, CPig, <someone> Because CPIg/AA are in conflict from the the 4th overall government, one of them must be fascist. I suppose it's possible that both of them are fascist, but that seems like a stretch to me. We know CPig is NOT Hitler, so if he is a fascist, he would know that AA was Hitler and wouldn't want to get into a conflict with him. So the remaining fascist is between Capn/DB/kumba/PMush (insert me if you're one of those people, but it should be obvious by now that I'm a liberal). So is Byers Hitler and one of Capn/PMush a regular fascist? Or is Byers a regular fascist and one of DB/kumba Hitler? That's the way it's looking like to me. Now the interesting thing there is that PMush did want to know what was the optimal strategy since she didn't want to just run things by the numbers and then she chose what was probably the least optimal person as her chancellor in Byers. I believe the 'optimal' strategy would have been 16 27 38 49 50, so she went to the back of the order and picked 10. And what's really interesting there is that CPig was in the number 6 spot and thus would have been the 'optimal' pick. So could it be that a regular fascist PMush skipped a regular fascist CPig and instead picked a Hitler Byers to try and get Byers some early credit to try and a chancellor nod later? You know, I'm kind of thinking this might actually be right this time. On the other hand, CapnAndy actually did go with the optimal pick since kumba was in the 7 spot. We know that Capn/kumba can't be fascists together. And I still think that any sort of fascist DB would have advanced a fascist agenda during his government. Hey Capn, if we skipped PMush and looked to vote you in, would you select me as chancellor?
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May 27, 2018 03:49
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Just to be incredibly blunt. I'm almost certainly voting no to any government that doesn't have me as the chancellor on the next hand. We will have about a 65% chance to draw a liberal card and if 1L1F comes down the pipe on that first draw, then I know the 1L is getting passed and not vetoed on my end.
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May 27, 2018 03:52
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TMMadman posted:I'm the gullible liberal? gently caress you. I was one saying we should hold back on Byers 2nd Presidency. You're the one who voted for it. TMMadman posted:Hey Capn, if we skipped PMush and looked to vote you in, would you select me as chancellor?
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May 27, 2018 04:37
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I'm thinking we nom kumba.
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May 27, 2018 05:03
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Right now, TMM is the only one I can say with any certainty I think is lib. I don't think a fascist TMM would willingly give the libs that much info about past governments when it'd be much easier and benefit fascists much more to just say he doesn't remember. And I don't think he'd risk giving us faulty info when KB was right there on him and just as engaged, and could call him out on any discrepancies. (Same idea as well for the rest of the libs, but KB was most prominent.) Anyone who thinks TMM is a bad nomination choice, can you justify to me why a fascist TMM would give libs so much crucial info?
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May 27, 2018 05:31
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CapnAndy posted:Dude yesterday you kept going on and on about how you picked Byers to be President twice in a row, that was a huge component of your case for why you weren't a fascist to me! You are one of the stupidest loving people.
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May 27, 2018 05:35
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Like I am going to be so pissed off if Capn is liberal because he has absolutely loving refused to work with me the entire loving game.
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May 27, 2018 05:39
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The fact that he can't admit that I basically have to be a liberal at this point is loving flat out stupid. And then for him to say the fact that I doubled Byers up is enough to keep me out is loving awful and doesn't acknowledge the reality of the game. Much like he has done all game long.
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May 27, 2018 05:42
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TMMadman posted:The fact that he can't admit that I basically have to be a liberal at this point is loving flat out stupid. Like literally it pisses me off because he is the one that loving voted to approve the 2nd Byers government even though if he had put any thought into there was clearly some kind of issue happening.
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May 27, 2018 05:44
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Hey Pmush, DB and kumba, who do you think are the other two fascists?
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May 27, 2018 06:02
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You're not a very nice person and I really don't see how responding with insults is a good way to get me to understand stuff. You were insulting me literally yesterday for not being aware that you chose to make Byers President twice in a row with the special election and then when I asked you okay so how does that make you provably liberal you... insulted me and stormed off in a huff, actually. It's not very becoming is all.
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May 27, 2018 06:03
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CapnAndy posted:You're not a very nice person and I really don't see how responding with insults is a good way to get me to understand stuff. You were insulting me literally yesterday for not being aware that you chose to make Byers President twice in a row with the special election and then when I asked you okay so how does that make you provably liberal you... insulted me and stormed off in a huff, actually. I don't give a gently caress at this point. You have been an rear end in a top hat whining about decorum all game long. First it was KB who was not being condescending towards you at all. At this point, all I'm going to do is insult this poo poo out of you because if you are a liberal you've made this game impossible.
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May 27, 2018 06:08
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And remember, you voted YES to both Byers governments. It doesn't matter what I do with the special election because it's still something that can be denied and Byers absolutely should have been denied the government the 2nd time. But nope, you didn't want to think that way because you're either an obtuse idiot or a fascist.
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May 27, 2018 06:10
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And for all the liberals: We really only have one shot at winning this game and it's on the next draw. Since an elected government that vetoes the policy counts as a failed government we are in real trouble. Remember, the next 3 Presidents are PMush Capn CPig One of those three is almost certainly a fascist and it's entirely possible that two of them are. A fascist president is going to pass 2F unless they draw both the liberal cards in the deck. And a fascist President obviously isn't going to veto anything if they pass 2F. If a liberal president selected a fascist chancellor, and passed 1L1F we lose because it will either be Hitler or the fascist would enact 6F and of course not veto. The only way to win here is ensure that we have both a liberal President and a liberal Chancellor. If the president picks 1L2F then he can pass 1L1F and the liberal chancellor can enact 5L to win. We can't actually move past CPig here. If we elect PMush/? and it has to veto, then we can't skip past both Capn and CPig without drawing the top card which might actually be the better play at that time. And if we skipped PMush and elected Capn and he had to veto, then we are at 2 failed governments and we have to accept CPig and hope or skip him and take the top card. If we skipped all the way to CPig and he had to veto, then it would be the 3rd failed government and the top card would immediately be drawn.
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May 27, 2018 06:34
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TMMadman posted:You have been an rear end in a top hat whining about decorum all game long. Seriously this is loving toxic and I'm done, this is... why would anyone willingly play here? Wow.
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May 27, 2018 06:34
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I will say that there is a very slim chance that all three of them could be liberal, but I'm not putting any money on it.
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May 27, 2018 06:35
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CapnAndy posted:I mean I haven't played a game in TG in a while but is "don't be personally insulting to other players in the game, you remember, a game is something we all play to have fun" that big an ask these days? If it is I'm sorry for all your sakes I guess. I haven't been insulting in this game until the end of it. And I'm only directing my ire at you because of your attitude during this game. You've honestly been insulting in a much more demeaning and condescending way. KB was not at all being rude or inconsiderate at all early in the game, but you just kept hounding him about being mean to you. Essentially, I'm being a deliberate rear end in a top hat to you at this point because you've brought it on yourself.
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May 27, 2018 06:40
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Capn, at this point, I think/hope you are just being an rear end in a top hat because you are a fascist and trying to throw people off their game. If that's the case, I'll say nice job at the end of the game regardless of the outcome. But if you are a liberal, I think you will really need to examine your actions and attitude this game. And frankly, if being called an rear end in a top hat during an internet forum game gets your underwear in a twist, then maybe you shouldn't be on the internet. I'm not personally calling you an rear end in a top hat in real life, I'm saying that in this game you've been the rear end in a top hat, not KB and not me (at least not until just recently).
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May 27, 2018 07:03
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And that's all I'm going to say to/about Capn for the rest of this game. I'm not putting him on ignore, but I'm going to do my best to just not acknowledge him for the rest of the game.
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May 27, 2018 07:04
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Probably AA and Capn, but I accept the possibility that one of them is just infuriating and bad. Assuming there's no smart fascists left is a terrible idea. I don't feel safe nominating anyone but you, TMM, or MAYBE kumba, but only if the alternative is getting rejected.
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PMush Perfect posted:Probably AA and Capn, but I accept the possibility that one of them is just infuriating and bad. Assuming there's no smart fascists left is a terrible idea. This is nonsensical. You have literally spent entire days in this game getting facts wrong. How anyone could take anything you have to say as something other than pandering or mindless pantomime is beyond my understanding. You aren't Hitler but you're definitely not a liberal. There's no way you can be. Having been corrected about multiple things to the point of it being comical. Don't be led here. @EVERYONE: Facts you need to reconcile and just deal with: Byers fascist Pig is fascist Rethink the game. Who are the remaining fascists? Who is Hitler?
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May 27, 2018 15:49
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:This is nonsensical. You have literally spent entire days in this game getting facts wrong. How anyone could take anything you have to say as something other than pandering or mindless pantomime is beyond my understanding. You realize after those two there is only one fascist left? And from your personal perspective it has to be one of Capn/PMush/kumba/DB/me. Unless you personally want to believe that somehow the fascist team is KB/RF/Byers/CPig and Byers for some reason shot 2 fascists, then KB/RF must be liberal/fascist respectively.. And at this point, it doesn't matter who Hitler is because if Hitler gets to be President, he can still force 2F along and not veto the government and win the game.
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May 27, 2018 16:00
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I forgot about RF with my incredulous disbelief of mush. Add them to the equation and that's 3 fascists who is Hitler out of byers and mush
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May 27, 2018 16:50
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Why do you not think it's CapnAndy?
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:This is nonsensical. You have literally spent entire days in this game getting facts wrong. How anyone could take anything you have to say as something other than pandering or mindless pantomime is beyond my understanding. for like the millionth time being wrong or failing to read the game doesn't make you scum, this is an incredibly poor argument Byers as Hitler, fascists are probably AA/Andy and someone. I'm not convinced RF was actually fash. If it wasn't him it's probably DB, I don't think it's pmush or tmm
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