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TimWinter posted:No it was tooterfish. I read this and thought "I didn't see any spoilers" and I looked back in the thread like an idiot. Report and move on, I guess. It's the very same analysis you praised by the way, so how about you get off your high horse you loving twatmonkey? tooterfish fucked around with this message at 17:53 on May 27, 2018 |
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Lol no you idiot the analysis was good, you and the show writers both have a strong grasp on the tenuous power structures in loosely defined organizations. I was talking about you posting protomolecule lessons from the wiki here, which includes a bunch of concepts not discussed or yet revealed in the show. You know, "spoilers". The kind that originated from the books.
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TimWinter posted:Lol no you idiot tooterfish posted:get off your high horse you loving twatmonkey?
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Super interesting (and disturbingly in-depth - but don't worry, it's pretty skimmable and broken into sections and the worst of the math is behind hyperlinks to spreadsheets) breakdown/theorycrafting as to exactly why SyFy canceled the show: https://destroythecomics.com/nerd-tv-shows/quantifying-the-expanse-cancellation-diving-into-the-numbers-syfy-the-future-at-amazon/ As someone who enjoys knowing how various types of metaphorical sausage is made, I found it an engaging look at what goes into making shows like this, how it appears to compare to others in the same vein, the fact that it was likely still the best-rated/best-liked show on the network, how thin the profit margins probably were, etc. Doesn't ultimately change the story we already know (SyFy only having first-run linear distribution rights meant the show needed to have literal gangbusters viewership to give the channel what it wanted) but worth reading anyways IMHO.
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TimWinter posted:Lol no you idiot the analysis was good, you and the show writers both have a strong grasp on the tenuous power structures in loosely defined organizations. I might have over stepped the bounds with the protomolecule post, I agree I definitely shouldn't mentioned the wiki. But what I described is literally what happened on the screen, it's not a spoiler. I apologise for calling you a twatmonkey, you are being disingenuous though.
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bitprophet posted:Doesn't ultimately change the story we already know (SyFy only having first-run linear distribution rights meant the show needed to have literal gangbusters viewership to give the channel what it wanted) but worth reading anyways IMHO. Yeah looks like the whole distribution deal was sort of set up to fail for Sy Fy since they only had linear live broadcast US rights and I imagine most fans of the show tend to be cable cutters. At least with the Amazon deal it will harmonize distribution for the series for both US and international fans of the series.
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tooterfish posted:Mate, your "OH GOD BOOK SPOILING" rant at me came immediately after my defence of Collateral's post, and way before the post you're referencing here. Oh, that was you too. Yeah, you mean this post, where you literally describe a bunch of plot directly from the book. No, what you called me a twatmonkey for was when I was continuing this conversation: DaveKap posted:As much as I don't find the "Jeff Bezos is evil" chatter interesting at all, I do still think that next to Elon Musk launching rockets and Zuckerberg trying to control society, buying your favorite TV show so you can renew it is the best Evil Genius move I've ever seen. tooterfish posted:If everything were slowed down equally, nothing would've happened to him. Ships have crash couches because acceleration isn't applied equally, as per the law of inertia. DaveKap posted:I was kinda hoping with all the people saying "no book chat in this thread, there is another thread for book chat" that me having fun speculating about the sploot would've made for good tv watching chatter but instead it went instantly to book posts so my apologies that half the new updates are about books and spoilers and whatever. Milo and POTUS posted:I sure as hell dont hope you don't mean me, talking about what just happened. DaveKap posted:Nope, not you. TimWinter posted:No it was tooterfish. I read this and thought "I didn't see any spoilers" and I looked back in the thread like an idiot. Report and move on, I guess. You're, like, really bad at not talking about info from the books. TimWinter fucked around with this message at 19:24 on May 27, 2018 |
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We can banish bookreaders to another thread and forbid spoiler tags all we want, and it still won't keep people from freaking out about potential spoilers, trailer spoilers, speculation spoilers, etc, because some goons are a bunch of paranoid neurotics about gleaning even the slightest glimmer of future information about their spaceship laser pew pew stories. Here's my idea: people can post spoilers inside of tags within reason. If people post blatant spoilers outside of tags, report them. If people are having a massive conversation inside of tags, ask them to take it to the other thread. If someone speculates and happens to be mostly correct, don't freak out and get a mod to edit their post (ironically spoiling it for them). Most of the rest of the forums seems to be fine with this, so I don't think this is too unreasonable. "Be cool about spoilers" goes both ways.
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Fister Roboto posted:We can banish bookreaders to another thread and forbid spoiler tags all we want, and it still won't keep people from freaking out about potential spoilers, trailer spoilers, speculation spoilers, etc, because some goons are a bunch of paranoid neurotics about gleaning even the slightest glimmer of future information about their spaceship laser pew pew stories. You're not at all wrong, but goons are not remotely capable of acting in this very reasonable manner, as a whole.
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The worst thing about spoilers is that every time someone posts one or something that could be one, there will be another long boring discussion about spoilers and what is a spoiler and those dumb babies who complain about spoilers and those dumb assholes who cant stop posting spoilers and etc etc
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AlternateAccount posted:You're not at all wrong, but goons are not remotely capable of acting in this very reasonable manner, as a whole. At some point you just have to let people occasionally gently caress up. If someone gets spoiled on something it's not the end of the world. This obsession with keeping the thread 100% airtight from spoilers does more harm than good.
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The really annoying poo poo, that I've posted about before, is that bookreaders need to stop responding to speculation AT ALL. Yes, we might know more about what happened to that slingshot pilot, but when someone posts "If the ring works like X that might mean...", that's not actually an invitation for you to tell him about it, that's an invitation for other show-only people to speculate further.
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I'm surprised how little automation we see in the expanse. One great thing about space is that it's probably one of the easiest "terrains" to have automated vehicles in, and with life support and crew areas taking up so much space and fleshbags being so unsuited to high-Gs it's weird we don't see more drone-ships and the like. Like I get having some sort of Cant-like mothership with a small decently paid crew who are there to mostly help direct the fleet of ice-harvesting drones and keep them in good condition. I know the show really wants the belt to be this oppressed 3rd world of cheap exploited labour, but in space sending a robot/drone to do a belter's work would be much much cheaper. Automation is already such a big looming issue today, and with the like 90% unemployment on earth I can only imagine a lot of that is due to automation on earth, but we never really see it or hear about it. If I was writing the expanse, the belter's main problem would be that in the past all the early extraction economy needed humans out there working and overseeing things, but now automation has put most of them out of work. Eros used to be the gem of the belt because its workforce had a value, but automation turned it into a poverty stricken slum. The belters should be mad that they worked to build up this economy, they sacrificed to settle this frontier, and now that the hard part is over, Inner corporations just have fleets of drone miners doing all the work. This would make a lot more sense to me.
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Now that spoiler chat is out of our system, we can just speculate on stuff at this point, correct? If the hallucinations are a real thing and not entirely a literary or storytelling mechanic, why would Julie Mao tele-incept Miller? Didn't she not know him at all, and he was just some cop on Ceres who was tangentially related to her? Even if the protomolecule has some ulterior, not-just-eat-everything motive, why would it give a poo poo about a corrupt cop on a backwater asteroid? And then why would Miller tele-incept Holden? I thought Miller had the same opinion of Holden as the fan base, tolerance and even mild appreciation, but it stops there.
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Phenotype posted:also The shot of the ship flying along the ring of Saturn(?) was so good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A8LdDqWrps&t=102s e: also "So What?" is pretty much the best ship name ever. bloom fucked around with this message at 19:49 on May 27, 2018 |
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TimWinter posted:Oh, that was you too. Yeah, you mean this post, where you literally describe a bunch of plot directly from the book. Explaining the physics of the rock hopper splatting isn't a spoiler either. I already admitted I shouldn't have mentioned the wiki description, but nothing in that post can't be inferred from what happened on screen and an understanding of inertia. TimWinter posted:No, what you called me a twatmonkey for was when I was continuing this conversation: I suggest we leave it here. For the sake of thread cohesion I'll try to consider my words more carefully in the future, but I honestly think you've got a stick up your arse over nothing here.
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Pull up thread.Baronjutter posted:I'm surprised how little automation we see in the expanse. I think i remember an interview where the writers say that the reason there is so little automation is because they want to write a story about humans living in those labor conditions and reacting to them, and so automation would detract from that aspect. It's one of those things that you kinda have to accept, like the magical super efficient engines, to have the story work. Edit: It was this one, and Frank is a bit more blunt than i remembered  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6CeDizcyC4&t=3998s Frionnel fucked around with this message at 20:41 on May 27, 2018 |
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TimWinter posted:why would Julie Mao tele-incept Miller? Didn't she not know him at all, and he was just some cop on Ceres who was tangentially related to her? Even if the protomolecule has some ulterior, not-just-eat-everything motive, why would it give a poo poo about a corrupt cop on a backwater asteroid? I always assumed that was just a case of a PI becoming obsessed with the person he was investigating. seeing someone who isn't really there because he was spending all his time thinking about her.
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I was thinking: wanst Mei also injected with protomolecule in Io?
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That was just treatment for her genetic disorder AFAIK. Crazy doc guy and Mao were discussing turning her blue just as the Roci landed, so she was saved by the bell.
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TimWinter posted:Now that spoiler chat is out of our system, we can just speculate on stuff at this point, correct? Maybe her proto ghost saw him going into her apartment or whatever that was and latched onto him.
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TimWinter posted:Now that spoiler chat is out of our system, we can just speculate on stuff at this point, correct? I figure it has to be the proto-molecule assimilating materials to do its job rather than just breaking things down to raw materials to build with. It took apart and studied the ship that was observing it over Venus, which if it already had a plan for how to leave Venus and travel space and build a ring maybe it wouldn't have needed. Those monsters it made are still humanoid (I think the whole research on the kids and monsters was on slowing down the PMs growth not controlling the form necessarily). Could be pretty Borg-like that when it takes over stuff theres still something left buried inside it (who knows how much of the kid was left over in the change but he spoke english still). EDIT: so maybe Julie and Miller are now Borg. Blackchamber fucked around with this message at 20:15 on May 27, 2018 |
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Blackchamber posted:I figure it has to be the proto-molecule assimilating materials to do its job rather than just breaking things down to raw materials to build with. It took apart and studied the ship that was observing it over Venus, which if it already had a plan for how to leave Venus and travel space and build a ring maybe it wouldn't have needed. Those monsters it made are still humanoid (I think the whole research on the kids and monsters was on slowing down the PMs growth not controlling the form necessarily). Could be pretty Borg-like that when it takes over stuff theres still something left buried inside it (who knows how much of the kid was left over in the change but he spoke english still). Could also have been simply analysing potential threats to the work when it disassembled she ship over Venus, we also saw humans being disassembled and analysed as well. It's interesting that the PM was sent to the solar system before life existed here, so perhaps the molecule seemingly integrating knowledge and memories from intelligent organisms it encounters is not part of its design but more of an accident. Like it's meant to be an unthinking machine for building some sort of gateway, but it absorbed concious intelligence so now it's integrated that and is becoming concious.
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tooterfish posted:That was just treatment for her genetic disorder AFAIK. Oh, I though the whole treatment thing was a lie and they were all being injected with PM from the start, Mei's friend just being in a more advanced stage of the thing
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One third Jeff Bezos jokes, one third complaining about bookchat, and one third crushing rear end to dust.
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Don't fool yourself, no one itt is cool enough to crush rear end to dust.
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Arcsquad12 posted:One third Jeff Bezos jokes, one third complaining about bookchat, and one third crushing rear end to dust. 12% posting their favorite Drummer gifs
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Elias_Maluco posted:Oh, I though the whole treatment thing was a lie and they were all being injected with PM from the start, Mei's friend just being in a more advanced stage of the thing
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presumably he also changes the dosage or does some other SCIENCE! stuff in between each test case to improve the human consciousness' survival. I do ponder whether Katoa's lucidity was because of anything strickland did or because the protomolecule had become more familiar with human organisms.
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The one goon that was super nazi about spoilers in TV shows was Aatrek and that dude hosed little kids so don't be like Aatrek. Also, I guess easing up on spoilers is the good thing to do as well.
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Mu Zeta posted:The one goon that was super nazi about spoilers in TV shows was Aatrek and that dude hosed little kids so don't be like Aatrek. He just found a more effective way than Jared's method of visiting playgrounds.
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