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Arcsquad12 posted:In which Jim loving Sterling, Son criticizes Valve's incompetence in allowing a game where you play as a School Shooter to be hosted on Steam without consequence. I was sort of expecting him to bring up Steam's crackdown on visual novel that happened just around the time that Active Shooter game hit.
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Max Wilco posted:I was sort of expecting him to bring up Steam's crackdown on visual novel that happened just around the time that Active Shooter game hit. I wish they hadn't backpedaled on that, there's so much animu definitely-not-porn poo poo with convenient patches on their discussion boards now, that it mainly even got noticed thanks to drowning out the other low effort garbage.
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May 28, 2018 20:11
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I hate the way steam is such a rickety affair, yesterday I was trying to move some tf2 stuff around accounts and the system could barely handle any of the trading, verification emails that I was meant to get weren't sent, the system regularly does not do what it says it will (I had a trade that it said was going to be held for a week, and instead it went through in seconds, I suppose I shouldn't complain but it was a real wtf moment). They're lucky the main competition is more desperate and crappy since it feels like Valve has really entered the doldrums in the past few years and is just coasting off of it's previous success with as little effort as possible. I kind of wish GOG was big enough to kick them in the arse.
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Max Wilco posted:I was sort of expecting him to bring up Steam's crackdown on visual novel that happened just around the time that Active Shooter game hit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeMdPxXfEIM He already did a video on that.
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May 28, 2018 20:27
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Yardbomb posted:Yeah the big issue is that the competition was and is still worse at most everything except handling their stores, steam does a lot of stupid poo poo, but they've got your games, community and chat junk in the same place without it all being intrusive or too annoying, plus more and better sales than elsewhere barring things like being able to get ubisoft games for somewhat cheaper off uplay and that sorta thing. What amazes me is how misinformed people are about Steam alternatives. There are still people out there insisting that Origin or Uplay are complete garbage to use and totally worthless when they've both made significant strides since the early days and are entirely fine now. Origin also actually had refunds and proper customer service years before Steam was forced to do so. Or you just get people who hem and haw about owning a game on GOG because it's...it's not on their Steam list???? What'll they ever do??
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I’d say the real issue is that people confuse “Steam has lots of sales” for “Steam is good and our friend.” People, but especially gamers, really cannot wrap their brains around the notion that the consumer/corporate relationship is and must always be adversarial, and then they get all confused when corporations predictably gently caress them over.
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John Murdoch posted:What amazes me is how misinformed people are about Steam alternatives. There are still people out there insisting that Origin or Uplay are complete garbage to use and totally worthless when they've both made significant strides since the early days and are entirely fine now. Uplay is fine in that it's just a lightweight thing to run a game through, Origin still sucks, neither have community or chat stuff as good as steam. Also did steam patent shift + tab for their overlay or is it just too convenient for everyone else to think of, because every other launcher's shortcut is like shift + F2 or alt + F1 or similar , why. Yardbomb fucked around with this message at 23:02 on May 28, 2018 |
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May 28, 2018 22:50
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Yardbomb posted:I wish they hadn't backpedaled on that, there's so much animu definitely-not-porn poo poo with convenient patches on their discussion boards now, that it mainly even got noticed thanks to drowning out the other low effort garbage. The thing is that The Witcher 3 was a good deal more racey than some of the games that were being threatened with the axe.
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May 28, 2018 23:33
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Augus posted:The thing is that The Witcher 3 was a good deal more racey than some of the games that were being threatened with the axe.  bow chicka bow wow
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Yardbomb posted:I wish they hadn't backpedaled on that, there's so much animu definitely-not-porn poo poo with convenient patches on their discussion boards now, that it mainly even got noticed thanks to drowning out the other low effort garbage. If it's not straight up pedophile or other illegal poo poo I don't see the point in getting judgmental about that kind of thing and having it stricken from the store, especially considering the level of crap Steam allows otherwise . khwarezm fucked around with this message at 23:55 on May 28, 2018 |
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May 28, 2018 23:52
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khwarezm posted:If it's not straight up pedophile or other illegal poo poo I don't see the point in getting judgmental about that kind of thing and having it stricken from the store, especially consider the level of crap Steam allows otherwise . More than a few of the first have initially or have tried to slip through exactly because steam doesn't care, on the last bit the point is that there's a place to slap your animu porn games, put it on dlsite and stop clogging up the storefront even further.
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May 29, 2018 00:00
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Yardbomb posted:More than a few of the first have initially or have tried to slip through exactly because steam doesn't care, on the last bit the point is that there's a place to slap your animu porn games, put it on dlsite and stop clogging up the storefront even further. I dunno, kinda lame to base what's 'clog' on 'is this a genre I like'. Steam's storefront issue is a lot deeper than 'anime'.
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khwarezm posted:If it's not straight up pedophile or other illegal poo poo I don't see the point in getting judgmental about that kind of thing and having it stricken from the store, especially considering the level of crap Steam allows otherwise . That's where it gets shifty because a lot of it is the more awful "character looks like a little girl but we say she's eighteen so it's fine" sort of visual novel. I'm not strictly opposed to visual novels or non-english games on steam. But it's kind of weird that they've started letting straight up porn onto it though.
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May 29, 2018 00:13
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Lightning Knight posted:I’d say the real issue is that people confuse “Steam has lots of sales” for “Steam is good and our friend.” People, but especially gamers, really cannot wrap their brains around the notion that the consumer/corporate relationship is and must always be adversarial, and then they get all confused when corporations predictably gently caress them over. Being generous they became too big too fast and couldn't handle it while keeping the company attitude intact, being less generous they capitalized on their USP and became the dominance they currently are. From behind the scenes stuff it's not that the old passion isn't there any more, but it became drowned in the dozens of new voices in the company as it expanded.
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May 29, 2018 00:21
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Yardbomb posted:More than a few of the first have initially or have tried to slip through exactly because steam doesn't care, on the last bit the point is that there's a place to slap your animu porn games, put it on dlsite and stop clogging up the storefront even further. I must admit I literally never see them when looking for games so I don't feel like they're doing much clogging. And like Sexpig notes, some people will want this stuff, from what I hear the recent ban went much further than just getting rid of the pedobait stuff and turned into almost anything vaguely risque and anime, which doesn't feel like a good direction to go unless "gently caress weebs" is a good enough reason itself. Which it might be.
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May 29, 2018 00:22
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sexpig by night posted:I dunno, kinda lame to base what's 'clog' on 'is this a genre I like'. Steam's storefront issue is a lot deeper than 'anime'. I don't care that it's anime stuff, more that it's kind of screwy steam's just letting up front porn on when there's already sites to get your titty games and they have enough crap to deal with or not deal with, that they could try taking a stand at some point or another and it's probably a good time when ~loli~ games and poo poo keep trying to get on there.
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In other news, Kyle Kallgren continues his trend of releasing videos that severely gently caress me up with Westworld - Travels in Hyperreality.
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John Murdoch posted:What amazes me is how misinformed people are about Steam alternatives. There are still people out there insisting that Origin or Uplay are complete garbage to use and totally worthless when they've both made significant strides since the early days and are entirely fine now. Origin also actually had refunds and proper customer service years before Steam was forced to do so. GOG is sort of on the opposite side, where they're far more selective about what goes onto the storefront (so much so that I know that some game (I think it was Hexcells) seemed like it would be put up on sale, only for GOG to reject it until people started bending their ear about it). They have started trending towards adopting some of the things Steam does (a client program with GOG Galaxy, achievements for certain games, a social media-esque kind of page like Steam's community profile page, etc.), which is a bit worrying. Still, GOG wins out over Steam because in terms of older games, they usually tweak them so that they can run on modern systems (whereas Steam takes a minimal effort approach) Yardbomb posted:More than a few of the first have initially or have tried to slip through exactly because steam doesn't care, on the last bit the point is that there's a place to slap your animu porn games, put it on dlsite and stop clogging up the storefront even further. The thing is that I think devs and publishers would prefer to get their games onto Steam, rather than try to sell it through their own channels. In the case of the crackdown, one of the games that got hit was Kindred Spirits on the Roof, and that was a game that MangaGamer coordinated with Steam on to see if it was acceptable to put on the Steam storefront. Some minor attempt of curation would help to watch for or filter out bad or illegal content, while still letting legitimate games get a foothold. Regarding more risque stuff, I'd imagine that devs or publishers are willing to strip out the explicit content, just so they can sell it on Steam. You can say that you don't have to bother with patching back in all the explicit content if you just bought it from DLSite or something, but I'd be willing to wager that Steam get far more traffic that DLSite or MangaGamer's site does. I read that in Japan, you can't have explicit content with console games, but visual novel devs will still port their games to consoles with explicit scenes censored or removed. In either case, it's a matter of making a small compromise in order to reach a wider audience.
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On an artistic level I don't think developers should have to strip themselves of explicit content (again, assuming it's not illegal or utterly reprehensible) to meet the demands of platforms like steam, this kind of conversation has gone on for a long time in things like movies and the sort of corporate censorship that potentially hobbles pieces like, for sake of example, Midnight Cowboy or Lust, Caution. Truthfully, Steam is so dominate you really can't just ignore it if you want to have some significant success as mid to low tier developer, so I don't like seeing the platform become constraining about what can be put up when it comes to things like explicit content. It's not like brutally violent stuff on it causes as much ruckus. I know it's easy to laugh and talk about how I'm equating anime porn with cinema classics, but I don't think I can seriously argue that they should be held to different standards just because of their quality. khwarezm fucked around with this message at 04:48 on May 29, 2018 |
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Why would anyone want to play porn games on Steam anyway, given that Steam is designed in large part as a social media site that shares information on what games you're playing with all of your friends? 
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21 Muns posted:Why would anyone want to play porn games on Steam anyway, given that Steam is designed in large part as a social media site that shares information on what games you're playing with all of your friends? There is a staggeringly large amount of people with zero shame, zero self-awareness, or both.
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I imagine the people who buy and play those games are the kind of people that join porn Discord servers and/or use cropped hentai avatars.
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Groovelord Neato posted:i'm surprised nobody made a game where you tried to survive a mass shooting. it'd actually have something to "say". it certainly wouldn't be fun because you'd likely fail every time (like the pro-gun group that recreated the charlie hebdo massacre and even with an "armed" participant who knew it was coming the best he could do was wound one of the gunmen). Tired Moritz posted:does GOG have achievements tho
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21 Muns posted:Why would anyone want to play porn games on Steam anyway, given that Steam is designed in large part as a social media site that shares information on what games you're playing with all of your friends? The same reason there are comment sections and facebook buttons on porn sites
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OmanyteJackson posted:The same reason there are comment sections and facebook buttons on porn sites
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21 Muns posted:Why would anyone want to play porn games on Steam anyway, given that Steam is designed in large part as a social media site that shares information on what games you're playing with all of your friends? Some people are legit clueless about this sort of thing. There was someone I know in a discord server who had "playing *porn game*" and had no clue until I pointed it out to them.
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khwarezm posted:On an artistic level I don't think developers should have to strip themselves of explicit content (again, assuming it's not illegal or utterly reprehensible) to meet the demands of platforms like steam, this kind of conversation has gone on for a long time in things like movies and the sort of corporate censorship that potentially hobbles things pieces like, for sake of example, Midnight Cowboy or Lust, Caution. Truthfully, Steam is so dominate you really can't just ignore it if you want to have some significant success as mid to low tier developer, so I don't like seeing the platform become constraining about what can be put up when it comes to things like explicit content. It's not like brutally violent stuff on it causes as much ruckus. More seriously, there is an issue of games (if not other types of media) having to tailor their content so that it's deemed acceptable to sell. The upcoming Agony announced that they had to clip some minor stuff in the game:  My favorite instance of corporate censorship, though, is with the original Blood, where Wal-Mart would only sell it if is was modified to remove the gore. Thus, you had a version of Blood that didn't have any blood effects (maybe they were just reduced, but still...) I know when Rockstar wass developing Manhunt 2, and first submitted it to the ESRB, they gave it a AO rating, and there was somet thing where they only had like 30 days to resubmit with changes so it could get an M rating. The AO rating is like the kiss of death for agame, since most major retailers won't stock it. The only place I've seen AO games is at Fry's. 21 Muns posted:Why would anyone want to play porn games on Steam anyway, given that Steam is designed in large part as a social media site that shares information on what games you're playing with all of your friends? You can hide games in your library so that they don't show up that you own them or that you're playing them.
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WampaLord posted:Cosmonaut released the second part of his MCU rankings/review: I still have trouble forgiving him for his bad opinions vis a vis Star Wars Rebels. EDIT: re: anime tiddy games, Valve cracking down on those before they crack down on literal non-functioning scam games should take precedence over any other argument. They are more OK with people literally stealing from their customers than they are with sex apparently. Sanguinia fucked around with this message at 05:36 on May 29, 2018 |
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Sanguinia posted:re: anime tiddy games, Valve cracking down on those before they crack down on literal non-functioning scam games should take precedence over any other argument. They are more OK with people literally stealing from their customers than they are with sex apparently. Granted, that's most of American capitalism. We're all "Caveat emptor, dummy!" unless there's a tiddy somewhere, then we get our panties in a wad about protecting the children.
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Sanguinia posted:I still have trouble forgiving him for his bad opinions vis a vis Star Wars Rebels.
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Alacron posted:There is a staggeringly large amount of people with zero shame, zero self-awareness, or both. Something something something this thread. (I'm too hungover to try and make a joke) Have a lesson from Nella: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56ZvVNrdrws
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Yardbomb posted:Uplay is fine in that it's just a lightweight thing to run a game through, Origin still sucks, neither have community or chat stuff as good as steam.
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Max Wilco posted:GOG is sort of on the opposite side, where they're far more selective about what goes onto the storefront (so much so that I know that some game (I think it was Hexcells) seemed like it would be put up on sale, only for GOG to reject it until people started bending their ear about it). It was Zachtronics' latest game, Opus Magnum. Particularly baffling because Zachtronics has been on GOG for a while. Which is actually exactly how Valve used to operate - a random bunch of employees would vet individual games based on gut feeling alone, which led to several games not making it onto Steam for no good reason at all. Or a handful of games getting a free pass because the developers personally knew somebody who worked at Valve. That system breaking down is what led to the current "we'll let everybody in and then algorithms will unfuck the mess any day now!" situation. John Murdoch fucked around with this message at 06:29 on May 29, 2018 |
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Arcsquad12 posted:Did he like the show? Because Rebels is pretty mediocre. He hated the show, but his reasons were dumb and came across like he didn't even actually watch it, like complaining about Kanan shouldn't have been able to really trust Rex after Order 66 and instead of that conflict being quickly resolved he should have had a long character arc to progress toward that relationship... and in fact that's exactly what happened. You'd have to be not paying even the smallest bit of attention to conclude that Kanan and Rex's tension was resolved anything resembling quickly, it took almost half the season. How long do you want?
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Something that I don't think people are taking as seriously as they should is the capabilities of AO patching. I don't mean that in a disparaging way. I think the fact that a game creator can censor a game to comply with retailer/payment processor restrictions while distributing off-platform patches to restore that content is a legitimately interesting solution that's really only viable in games. Like, as a process I think it's actually a lot better than people give it credit.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Did he like the show? Because Rebels is pretty mediocre. For a show targeted at elementary-aged boys, it's actually very good (once it got past its first season).
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TheMaestroso posted:For a show targeted at elementary-aged boys, it's actually very good (once it got past its first season). Actually not really. There are elements of the show that I liked, particularly the fate of Maul being the only thing to salvage his ill-advised resurrection. On the whole, however, the show never really reached for anything greater and settled for mediocrity. Also it is ugly as sin, and suffers from over animation, if that's a thing. Everyone's facial animations are so exaggerated and droopy you'd think they had no bones under their skin.
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I would be more forgiving of Rebels' animation if the later seasons of Clone Wars hadn't been a masterclass in television CG. The fights in Rebels are particularly atrocious as they have the stiff rubberband-ness of action figures bouncing off each other, compared to, say, this Babysitter Super Sleuth fucked around with this message at 16:09 on May 29, 2018 |
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