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AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

The Iron Rose posted:

Canada, so don't have the full details there but will in a few days when I get the final contract. Also means I'm not dependent in any way on Healthcare. Dental is about the only thing that would take an impact and that's just cleaning twice a year.

I'm making $40k currently pre tax, so a bump to $62,500 would be significant.

Mentor is also on contract, I'd be reporting directly to him. Benefits and drawbacks there.

It is a risk... But the salary and title bump are compelling.

I guess the next question is how I benefit from this even if I don't take the job. I'm also considering taking the offer letter to my current employer, since I really would rather stay all things being equal but not if they give me a counter and then fire me two months later :v:

Any suggestions on how to frame it? Obviously depends a lot on my organization but even just general advice is appreciated since ahhh I have never done anything like this before.

I'm also kinda laughing that this now makes the second tech job I've gotten without an interview

Personally, I'd vote that working for a mentor you respect and actually is teaching you valuable stuff day in day out is worth an incredible amount.

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RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

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AlternateAccount posted:

Personally, I'd vote that working for a mentor you respect and actually is teaching you valuable stuff day in day out is worth an incredible amount.

seems like reporting directly to your mentor would be amazing, since they should know exactly what can actually be expected of you in a fairly short time period.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

The Iron Rose posted:

Canada, so don't have the full details there but will in a few days when I get the final contract. Also means I'm not dependent in any way on Healthcare. Dental is about the only thing that would take an impact and that's just cleaning twice a year.

I'm making $40k currently pre tax, so a bump to $62,500 would be significant.

Mentor is also on contract, I'd be reporting directly to him. Benefits and drawbacks there.

It is a risk... But the salary

Yeah I would take it. Someone you know, seems everyone is contract, and Canada which has actual social welfare programs.

I wouldn't bother doing the salary tango at the local gig, just be honest that someone you've previously worked with offered you a great opportunity. Emphasize how it's a promotion, it was handed to you, I just can't pass it up, etc. A smart company will realize they dropped the ball on keeping you happy and your coworkers will hopefully get some $ out of it. A dense company will backfill your position at $35k and see it as a savings by "resetting the clock!"

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

George H.W. oval office posted:

Recruiter sent me a job that is a minimum 25-50% more than I make now and would push me into the 6 fig range and over. It sucks because I’ve been at this place for 2 months and really like it and the new position is at a MSP and temp to hire. Suppose I should give it a listen though.


Do not jump to an MSP just to make more money. If a MSP is going to pay you 25-50% right now then there is definitely another employer out there that will. MSP's aren't known for their bleeding edge salaries.

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





Sickening posted:

Do not jump to an MSP just to make more money. If a MSP is going to pay you 25-50% right now then there is definitely another employer out there that will. MSP's aren't known for their bleeding edge salaries.

I agree with this. Not only that, but MSPs generally aren't enjoyable to work for. Do some looking before you make that leap.

George H.W. Cunt
Oct 6, 2010





Internet Explorer posted:

I agree with this. Not only that, but MSPs generally aren't enjoyable to work for. Do some looking before you make that leap.

Yea I mulled it over and decided to pass it along to a colleague I had at my previous job which was a MSP. I’ve done it before and I really don’t want to go back to that even if it is a big jump in salary. If the salaries haven’t changed much since I’ve left then this opportunity could be nearly double what we made there.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


It probably won't be a salary jump once you account for the hours they expect out of you, either

Corsair Pool Boy
Dec 17, 2004
College Slice

The Iron Rose posted:

Canada, so don't have the full details there but will in a few days when I get the final contract. Also means I'm not dependent in any way on Healthcare. Dental is about the only thing that would take an impact and that's just cleaning twice a year.

I'm making $40k currently pre tax, so a bump to $62,500 would be significant.

Mentor is also on contract, I'd be reporting directly to him. Benefits and drawbacks there.

It is a risk... But the salary and title bump are compelling.

I guess the next question is how I benefit from this even if I don't take the job. I'm also considering taking the offer letter to my current employer, since I really would rather stay all things being equal but not if they give me a counter and then fire me two months later :v:

Any suggestions on how to frame it? Obviously depends a lot on my organization but even just general advice is appreciated since ahhh I have never done anything like this before.

I'm also kinda laughing that this now makes the second tech job I've gotten without an interview

What about other compensation? Sick leave, PTO, retirement savings, etc. I turned down another job a few months ago. While the pay was a bit better, I'd lose a week of PTO every year, never be able to work from home (instead of once in a while), go from 6 to 4 sick days every year, and weaker health insurance, even though the job itself would be better.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




Lol I get 30 sick days a year, 3 weeks vacation (initially then 4 weeks after 4 years here) plus 3 PTO days a quarter along with the 12 stat holidays, 7.25h work days, and a pension :smug:

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


I have a PTO hour pool that increments every pay period. Both sick leave and vacation come from that pool, but it fills fast enough that I still have 80-ish hours after a two week vacation and nearly two weeks of total sick time because of the kiddo.

Zil
Jun 4, 2011

Satanically Summoned Citrus


CLAM DOWN posted:

Lol I get 30 sick days a year, 3 weeks vacation (initially then 4 weeks after 4 years here) plus 3 PTO days a quarter along with the 12 stat holidays, 7.25h work days, and a pension :smug:

What socialist wonderland do you live in?

Defenestrategy
Oct 24, 2010

I'm a 1099 network janitor that doesn't accrue benefits, but I'm in college and it pays way better than Starbucks. v:shobon:v

MC Fruit Stripe
Nov 26, 2002

around and around we go

Zil posted:

What socialist wonderland do you live in?
He's just talking about his job as a mod.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

I have a friend who works at the county government doing some bullshit SQL role. They have an opening but it only pays $51-62k :(

Necronomicon
Jan 18, 2004

Unlimited vacation, bitches

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Necronomicon posted:

Unlimited vacation, bitches

Paid? Ok I'm taking 6 months off. See ya.

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


GreenNight posted:

Paid? Ok I'm taking 6 months off. See ya.

I'm sorry, but we're in crunch mode so I can't approve any time off right now. When will we be out of crunch mode? I'm not sure, we're short staffed, so we need to hire some additional team members first. No, we aren't currently advertising those positions.

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





"Umlimited."

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



The Iron Rose posted:

Canada, so don't have the full details there but will in a few days when I get the final contract. Also means I'm not dependent in any way on Healthcare. Dental is about the only thing that would take an impact and that's just cleaning twice a year.

I'm making $40k currently pre tax, so a bump to $62,500 would be significant.

Mentor is also on contract, I'd be reporting directly to him. Benefits and drawbacks there.

It is a risk... But the salary and title bump are compelling.

I guess the next question is how I benefit from this even if I don't take the job. I'm also considering taking the offer letter to my current employer, since I really would rather stay all things being equal but not if they give me a counter and then fire me two months later :v:

Any suggestions on how to frame it? Obviously depends a lot on my organization but even just general advice is appreciated since ahhh I have never done anything like this before.

I'm also kinda laughing that this now makes the second tech job I've gotten without an interview

Take it, set aside the extra salary until you’re permanent. That’s three months if you get laid off at the end. If you don’t, put it in retirement or buy some stuff you wanted or use it as an emergency fund or something. And the title bump means you have a better chance of finding something with the intermediate title and corresponding pay again.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


E: Wrong thread

Necronomicon
Jan 18, 2004

Ok, so yes, "unlimited" is a stretch. The rule of thumb is like 3-4 weeks but nobody's keeping track. In my particular position there's never any crunch time, and I'm pretty much on-call in name only. In six months I've had only one off-hours incident.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."


I prefer to call it “untracked.” We’re on untracked PTO and most people here are between 4-6 weeks a year of PTO usually.

Sepist
Dec 26, 2005

FUCK BITCHES, ROUTE PACKETS

Gravy Boat 2k
What is time off?

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


It's that thing you keep filling up with your consulting work :smuggo:

jaegerx
Sep 10, 2012

Maybe this post will get me on your ignore list!


Do y’all ever go through and clean up your LinkedIn? What’s your criteria for it? I’m thinking I want to unfollow everyone and then look at these people with only single connections to me that are probably someone I accepted and never checked on. Indians love to do that to me. I don’t know you bro. I’m glad you’re looking for a visa here in the states.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Mine is mostly co-workers and ex-coworkers, like two goons and a couple dudes from IRC

I don’t accept recruiters unless I’ve worked with them or they’ve gotten me an interview and I don’t accept the random Indians

Sepist
Dec 26, 2005

FUCK BITCHES, ROUTE PACKETS

Gravy Boat 2k
I accept everyone except people who own office cleaning businesses and foreigners not from Europe

Volguus
Mar 3, 2009

jaegerx posted:

Do y’all ever go through and clean up your LinkedIn? What’s your criteria for it? I’m thinking I want to unfollow everyone and then look at these people with only single connections to me that are probably someone I accepted and never checked on. Indians love to do that to me. I don’t know you bro. I’m glad you’re looking for a visa here in the states.

I used to only accept people that I know/worked with but since I saw on these forums one day people just going all out with 500+ connections, bah, gently caress it. I accept everyone now (almost, indians that I really don't know and that are not even recruiters, gently caress them).
Not going to connect with others, just accepting invitations. I went from 100 to over 250 in a span of a couple of months (maybe less). My goal is to reach 501 and then i'll again ignore everyone.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006
https://www.eff.org/opportunities/jobs/staff-technologist-javascript-developer

Dog chat never dies. This is a way more reasonable way to say they're dog/cat friendly.

DropsySufferer
Nov 9, 2008

Impractical practicality
I had a situation today where one our clients escalated an ongoing issue. I manage entire areas.

Being proactive so the CTO doesn't catch us off guard. We can make a strong defensive case.

Still I feel like I hosed up. I should have just humored the client more and acted like I was on their side. I should have played that game. I didn't realize he had more powerful connections than I expected.

The question is should I tell my boss about it or shut my mouth. I feel like being open will be respected but I'd be putting myself in a position where I would take blame.

Yea for politics in IT :v:

adorai
Nov 2, 2002

10/27/04 Never forget
Grimey Drawer
Most people dislike surprises more than bad news delivered the right way.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



Absolutely. My boss would be furious if he was blindsided by something I should have told him.

Wrath of the Bitch King
May 11, 2005

Research confirms that black is a color like silver is a color, and that beyond black is clarity.
If your boss finds out about it and also finds out that you knew about it before they did, it won't end well for you.

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





Always, always give your boss a heads up before bad news reaches them. Hell, you should be keeping them in the loop on things you think might even have a chance to go sideways.

Sepist
Dec 26, 2005

FUCK BITCHES, ROUTE PACKETS

Gravy Boat 2k
2 months ago a consultant got fired for making a change without an approved maintenance. I submitted a maintenance for today but our department head went OOO and didnt approve it. I get a lync message from a 3rd party quoting a non-manager to make the change and use him as a reference.

LOL helllllllll no. This is probably how they other guy got fired.

tortilla_chip
Jun 13, 2007

k-partite
Make sure to bill for that email.

Sepist
Dec 26, 2005

FUCK BITCHES, ROUTE PACKETS

Gravy Boat 2k
Sometimes I respond to a slack message and bill for it. Not often but I do

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

DropsySufferer posted:

The question is should I tell my boss about it or shut my mouth.

I just got to go through the fun process of telling a var/msp that they screwed the pooch on something more or less because they couldn't manage to tell us about problems they were encountering and risks to the deadline.

Learning to deliver bad news is a really good skill and will do you well in a career. If they rebuke you then lose respect for them, not yourself. "I wanted to get this on your radar before you hear about it elsewhere: I hosed up and we're going to blow the deadline." vs your boss coming to you with "why the gently caress is the client calling me during my long lunch to bitch that you blew a deadline?"

The former also makes clients feel like they can and should come to you with issues.

I am really pissed about this right now in case it's not coming through because a company I recommended and defended made me look bad.

Vargatron
Apr 19, 2008

MRAZZLE DAZZLE


I love getting texts from people at my former employer to the effect of "upper management expressed concern that we may not have the IT expertise that we were led to believe". They couldn't pay me enough money to go back and work there though.

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FlyingCowOfDoom
Aug 1, 2003

let the beat drop

CLAM DOWN posted:

Lol I get 30 sick days a year, 3 weeks vacation (initially then 4 weeks after 4 years here) plus 3 PTO days a quarter along with the 12 stat holidays, 7.25h work days, and a pension :smug:

Where do you work and are they hiring?

Edit: oh its just Canada, great. I'll just be here in America slaving away.

FlyingCowOfDoom fucked around with this message at 16:00 on May 30, 2018

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