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Jikes posted:A lot of changes were made between the book and series, almost always for the better. The screenwriters did an outstanding job of adapting the book and I think they improved on the source material, which is pretty rare. Quite honestly I do not view one or the other version as better. They are both solid.
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Oh God, like I said earlier in the thread, I thought Jopson quietly drifted off after Crozier was telling him childhood stories. I...much would have preferred that to be what happened.
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# ? May 28, 2018 18:37 |
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Man, that youtube video looks really good! I swear it was in 480 for half the season watching online...meh! When is the bluray coming out! I need those 1080Ps... LadyPictureShow posted:Oh God, like I said earlier in the thread, I thought Jopson quietly drifted off after Crozier was telling him childhood stories. We all would have...
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# ? May 28, 2018 21:02 |
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That would be harrowing in modern gear. In that era's stuff... They needed a separate platform to support their balls.
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# ? May 28, 2018 22:29 |
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I was confused with Jopson's final scene, he looked angry but a part of me wants to say he just wanted to just get back to his captains side, pushing aside food that would nourish him and seeing an illusion of him at his best.
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# ? May 28, 2018 22:30 |
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The acting was great especially Ciarán Hinds as the victorian equivalent to the modern day empty suit.
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# ? May 28, 2018 23:04 |
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Quixotic1 posted:I was confused with Jopson's final scene, he looked angry but a part of me wants to say he just wanted to just get back to his captains side, pushing aside food that would nourish him and seeing an illusion of him at his best. I thought that scene was a great expression of how Jopson was feeling over his abandonment: that Crozier at his best was an illusion, hence he's pompously overdressed, detached, literally going through the empty motions of leadership. A great detail it's easy to miss is how grotesque and unappetising the mirage-banquet actually looks; it's a weird stylised mess of jellies, feathers, and chicken legs. The series did a fantastic job with the counterintuitive idea that if all these men are doomed from the start, how they choose to face it down matters a lot.
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# ? May 29, 2018 00:27 |
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UNRULY_HOUSEGUEST posted:I thought that scene was a great expression of how Jopson was feeling over his abandonment: that Crozier at his best was an illusion, hence he's pompously overdressed, detached, literally going through the empty motions of leadership. A great detail it's easy to miss is how grotesque and unappetising the mirage-banquet actually looks; it's a weird stylised mess of jellies, feathers, and chicken legs. The series did a fantastic job with the counterintuitive idea that if all these men are doomed from the start, how they choose to face it down matters a lot. yet again we return to Mr Blanky being a god drat badass
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# ? May 29, 2018 00:54 |
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alf_pogs posted:yet again we return to Mr Blanky being a god drat badass The rope and fork scheme was brilliant, as well as his parting insult to the virgin tuunbaq.
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# ? May 29, 2018 01:09 |
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etalian posted:The rope and fork scheme was brilliant, as well as his parting insult to the virgin tuunbaq. He also "found" the NW Passage and therefore felt fulfilled in life. The only person on the show to die happy. I seriously need this to come out on bluray.
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# ? May 29, 2018 02:03 |
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etalian posted:The rope and fork scheme was brilliant, as well as his parting insult to the virgin tuunbaq. The tug on the rope making the tines on the forks pop up like a porcupine was a great little effect. Quixotic1 posted:I was confused with Jopson's final scene, he looked angry but a part of me wants to say he just wanted to just get back to his captains side, pushing aside food that would nourish him and seeing an illusion of him at his best. The anger (and boy does Liam Garrigan emote well) was him deliriously believing Crozier and the rest had abandoned him whereas previously they’d dragged the sick and weak in the sledges. That for all Crozier had said and done before, he didn’t actually give a poo poo about his men, only himself and his position. LadyPictureShow fucked around with this message at 04:09 on May 29, 2018 |
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LadyPictureShow posted:The anger (and boy does Liam Garrigan emote well) was him deliriously believing Crozier and the rest had abandoned him whereas previously they’d dragged the sick and weak in the sledges. the avclub's review of the final episode put it well - jopson's death is so painful because "he dies wrong"
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# ? May 29, 2018 04:13 |
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Yeah, him dying with his last thoughts being that despite all his service and loyalty, Crozier had abandoned him, when we know (and the book stresses this even more iirc) that Crozier's primary concern is his men makes it extra painful
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Hasselblad posted:Quite honestly I do not view one or the other version as better. They are both solid. I haven't watched yet (nowhere to stream) but this scene captures Franklin so well. I also wonder if "I've always wanted to move below" was foreshadowing. cause he gets eaten underwater, in the book HorrificExistence fucked around with this message at 14:29 on May 29, 2018 |
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Professor Shark posted:Yeah, him dying with his last thoughts being that despite all his service and loyalty, Crozier had abandoned him, when we know (and the book stresses this even more iirc) that Crozier's primary concern is his men makes it extra painful Then Crozier finding Jopson’s dead body face down with one arm still extended, showing he’d expired that way . It was also sad that Little sat all the ‘able’ survivors down for a strategy meeting, intending to follow Crozier’s explicit plans, but they explained they had taken a vote while he’d still been asleep and ‘you were outvoted sir’. A friend of mine watched on my recommendation and went on this rant about Hickey ‘how could anyone follow him? He was crazy etc etc etc, why did they take so drat long to hang him?! Why didn’t someone kill him?!’ I basically brought it down to conditions, Hickey scheming that since Crozier had a larger group and weren’t leaving the ill/injured, Tuunbaq would probably go after them, and like what Hodgson told Goodsir about why he couldn’t off Hickey himself: ‘But I’m hungry... and I want to live.’ Usually in a show like this, at least a couple of the actors put in a clunker of a performance, but this series had goddamn dynamite performances from even the ship’s pet dog. Are most of the cast stage performers or character actors in general?
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Professor Shark posted:Yeah, him dying with his last thoughts being that despite all his service and loyalty, Crozier had abandoned him, when we know (and the book stresses this even more iirc) that Crozier's primary concern is his men makes it extra painful It's also a kick in the nuts given how his promotion was a optimistic "There is a man in this room who has earned a place at the table" scene but then he basically gets abandoned to die alone. Joplin also took care of Crozier when Crozier was going cold turkey for his booze addiction.
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LadyPictureShow posted:Usually in a show like this, at least a couple of the actors put in a clunker of a performance, but this series had goddamn dynamite performances from even the ship’s pet dog. Are most of the cast stage performers or character actors in general? Yep, most of them have a strong theatre acting background. The casting agent deserves a lot of credit though, the older actors are fairly well established in the UK and Ireland but everyone under 40 was unknown to me and have pretty thin film/TV credits. Apparently Adam Naigaitis (Hickey) and Jared Harris (Crozier) are both going to be in an upcoming HBO series about the Chernobyl disaster, so that could be a winner.
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# ? May 30, 2018 00:54 |
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The cast was incredible. It was a deep bench too. Even when the ranks thinned out in the later episode the increased focus on background characters paid off well. It was heartbreaking when John Bridgens went off to die alone with his partner's journal.
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UNRULY_HOUSEGUEST posted:Yep, most of them have a strong theatre acting background. The casting agent deserves a lot of credit though, the older actors are fairly well established in the UK and Ireland but everyone under 40 was unknown to me and have pretty thin film/TV credits. Apparently Adam Naigaitis (Hickey) and Jared Harris (Crozier) are both going to be in an upcoming HBO series about the Chernobyl disaster, so that could be a winner. After watching this, I secretly hope Harris plays the reactor engineer trying to save everyone, and Naigaitis is in the role of the increasingly unstable reactor.
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# ? May 30, 2018 03:17 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9RmY6phhkU
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Q&A and request for questions: https://twitter.com/theterroramc/status/1001572640937652224 Celebrate the end of #TheTerror 's epic voyage with a Q&A! @JaredHarris and showrunners David Kajganich and @shugh100 will be chatting with @IndieWire's Steve Greene tomorrow at 7pm ET/4pm PT. Send us your questions and they could be answered live!
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LesterGroans posted:The cast was incredible. It was a deep bench too. Even when the ranks thinned out in the later episode the increased focus on background characters paid off well. It was heartbreaking when John Bridgens went off to die alone with his partner's journal. Were they def an item or was it just speculation?
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# ? May 30, 2018 05:13 |
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On a rewatch, just look at Blanky’s chat of his experience with Ross at Fury Beach it kinda foreshadows the winding of the following eps
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Milo and POTUS posted:Were they def an item or was it just speculation? I like how they left it ambiguous, they could have been lovers or just very close and affectionate friends.
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Milo and POTUS posted:Were they def an item or was it just speculation? They didn't state it outright, but I assumed they were. Henry even had a sketch of Bridgens' tattoo in his journal. That seems like the sailor version of writing "Mr. Henry Bridgens" surrounded by hearts in your trapper keeper.
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LesterGroans posted:They didn't state it outright, but I assumed they were. Henry even had a sketch of Bridgens' tattoo in his journal. That seems like the sailor version of writing "Mr. Henry Bridgens" surrounded by hearts in your trapper keeper. Episode 6 (burning carnival ep), Peglar came in to chat with him, and it seemed like even if they weren’t together, they might have had a little something going on in the past. E: after they get out of the tent, Peglar’s pushing through the crowd, and when he spots Bridgens, they hug. Still ambiguous if they were just good pals LadyPictureShow fucked around with this message at 14:22 on May 30, 2018 |
# ? May 30, 2018 13:27 |
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Just ordered the Frozen in Time book to further my obsession with the expedition. Wife just saw Sir John's perfect, stockinged leg last night. I told her I would hang it on my wall, with pride. Actually, I might make it my av... maybe use his "greatest argonauts of our time" speech for text
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# ? May 30, 2018 14:43 |
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Well, I was reading an account about the Inuit stories regarding what was seen and passed on over the years regarding the expedition, and this is even grimmer than the showquote:“They were beings but not Inuit,” he said, according to the account by shaman Nicholas Qayutinuaq. And, the expedition strikes from beyond the grave! quote:In 1854, Rae had just come back from a return trip to the Arctic, where he had been horrified to discover that many of his original Inuit sources had fallen to the same fates they had witnessed in the Franklin Expedition.
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# ? May 30, 2018 17:08 |
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More, more! I love this stuff.
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Here you go Octy!quote:In order to figure out whether end-stage cannibalism happened, Mays and Beattie looked at three Franklin Expedition skeletons for evidence of burning, for specific patterning of fractures in the bones, and for evidence of “pot polish,” where broken or cut bone ends become smooth from being tossed in a metal or ceramic vessel during cooking. In cool science stuff, here’s an article about how they figured out one of the skeletons was Goodsir: http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2011/07/skeleton-may-help-solve-mystery-doomed-franklin-expedition And in spooky timeline lore: quote:1852–58 (?): Inuit may have seen Crozier and one other survivor much further south in the Baker Lake area The Franklin Expedition always fascinated me, I had a book on mummies as a kid and there were photos of the Franklin ice mummies in there. ‘I gotta learn more about this!’ *a week later, at the library, reading the back cover* ‘Dad, what’s this word mean? ‘Canablism’?’ LadyPictureShow fucked around with this message at 22:25 on May 30, 2018 |
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It's the bizarre behavior of the crew that is the biggest mystery of the Franklin Expedition. This is why the lead poisoning theory has legs. I never bought the "well they were victorian englishmen of course they had high lead concentrates" explanation for the lead levels found on the beechy corpses. They would have long lost any hair/nails that had grown in Britain and regrown it on the ship given the time. Whatever caused the high lead levels was on the ship.
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LadyPictureShow posted:In cool science stuff, here’s an article about how they figured out one of the skeletons was Goodsir: Good read. I had been under the wrong impression that lead solder contaminated cans were known, documented event, not just speculation. https://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/50012/title/DNA-Analysis-Throws-New-Light-on-the-1845-Franklin-Arctic-Expedition/ quote:mitochondrial DNA analysis supported a western European origin for the crew—consistent with historical accounts ... It also increased the minimum number of individuals at Erebus Bay from 11 to 21, and suggested movement of remains between sites some decades after the crew perished...
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a mysterious cloak posted:Just ordered the Frozen in Time book to further my obsession with the expedition. Wife just saw Sir John's perfect, stockinged leg last night. I told her I would hang it on my wall, with pride. They should sell Franklin Leg Lamps. (Or use them as major awards)
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Despera posted:It's the bizarre behavior of the crew that is the biggest mystery of the Franklin Expedition. This is why the lead poisoning theory has legs. I never bought the "well they were victorian englishmen of course they had high lead concentrates" explanation for the lead levels found on the beechy corpses. They would have long lost any hair/nails that had grown in Britain and regrown it on the ship given the time. Whatever caused the high lead levels was on the ship. Well you didn't need more complex causes given how the men were on a starvation diet while having to haul 4000 pound sledges by hand. It also didn't help that they had no accurate maps of the region and Franklin had picked the east side of Prince William island he would have avoided getting icelocked. The western channel by comparison attracts massive amounts of ice part due to Arctic wind patterns.
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I also think that the Uruguayan Rugby team survivors from the Andes crash (yanno ‘Alive’) said that after a while with the hopelessness, the isolation, the cold, and the starvation (as well as having to subsist off of their dead friends to gain any sustenance) some of them started exhibiting odd behavior. And they were ‘only’ there 72 days and didn’t have to haul sledges. They were hitting ‘end-stage’ too by the time they were rescued. I read an interview with one of the survivors talking about how they had only eaten the meat at first, but when that was running out, they got desperate, first eating the organs and later cracking bones to get at the brains and marrow for any kind of sustenance. Some of the weird behavior by the Franklin crew could be explained by lead poisoning, yes, but also by how loving hopeless things had become. LadyPictureShow fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Jun 1, 2018 |
# ? May 31, 2018 23:39 |
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Should've had a carnivale.
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# ? Jun 1, 2018 00:58 |
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Hasselblad posted:They should sell Franklin Leg Lamps.
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# ? Jun 1, 2018 04:12 |
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I hereby call dibs on the trademark/patent/rights A Christmas Story 3: A Very Blanky Christmas
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So what was up with the jewelry/piercings on the dude (lieutenant?) who was dying at the end? I feel like I missed a scene or something.
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