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The Rabbi T. White posted:All that matters is that DS9 has Garak, so is Best Trek. Agreed.
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SiKboy posted:"What if space, but cowboys?" isnt really an original enough concept to worry about which of a handful of shows did it "first". And in any case, not one of you fuckers even mentioned Bravestarr. I mean, Star Trek was literally pitched as "Wagon Train in space". Tom Tucker posted:The West Wind Season 3 Episode (_), Isaac and Ishmael There were exactly two good parts of this episode: * The commercial bumpers where the actors asked for donations for relief organizations, and * The "Muslims are to Muslim extremists as Christians are to the KKK" comparison, which is still pretty accurate.
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May 30, 2018 22:53
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Damnit, I'm gonna have to download Space Above and Beyond and relive my HS freshman year aren't I? Maybe I should look up Erin Mizwicki and see if she can break up with me at TWIRP all over again while I'm at it.
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May 31, 2018 02:32
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StrangersInTheNight posted:c'mon, you know the answer was 'there aren't any qualified Asian actors!' (meaning 'we rely on a casting agency that doesn't have a good stable of anyone non-white, and no one is willing to put in the effort to try to find someone when these are just featured extras and BG characters anyway' - the majority of racism in film and tv is white laziness taken to a new extreme). No argument there, but in terms of an in-series explanation, my assumption worked well enough and it's not as harsh as reality. Both the reality of how Hollywood does it's casting, and the reality of the discriminatory undercurrent that exists in America. If I'm watching a empty-headed show or movie, I don't want reality, I want to be entertained. The real world doesn't need to be part of it.
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/\/\/\ I getcha, though that's an awful lot of thinking to avoid....thinkingJediTalentAgent posted:I've been watching a bit of Galaxy Express 999 and I'm sure a similar 'space western' could be attributed to that, as well.. Oh totally, although there's a whole series of crazy 70s/80s anime sci-fi space operas that border on space westerns, for a while it was a Thing because of the popularity of Star Wars JediTalentAgent posted:Star Wars:ANH Tatooine stuff is likely very easily an example of space western as much as anything else, too. It absolutely is (and Lucas will admit it), all the imagery is designed to evoke it and it's got a cantina scene where people freeze to look at who enters, and a moment where the experienced 'gunman' takes down another guy at the bar to prove his worth. And the Han Solo EU stuff was always Han as Space Cowboy. And then you have all the Treks of varius types as well, though I'd argue they pretty quickly stop being 'space western' and eventually are just 'space diplomacy' JediTalentAgent posted:Keeping in mind, I remember when Van Helsing came out and people were calling it a Vampire Hunter D rip-off because of a HAT. Yeahhhhhh I remember that But anyway, my point wasn't what came first, it was just to say that Outlaw Star is bouncing boobs trash and Cowboy Bebop does it better. StrangersInTheNight has a new favorite as of 03:56 on May 31, 2018 |
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StrangersInTheNight posted:/\/\/\ I getcha, though that's an awful lot of thinking to avoid....thinking Not really? At the end of it though, I don't have a lot of time for watching TV and movies (mostly because I don't make time for it, and am otherwise busy) except in short bursts, sometimes months apart, so if it's fiction I'm watching, it's to detach for a while.
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May 31, 2018 04:23
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kupachek posted:Not really? Hey you can watch all the garbage you want, just don't get picky when people point out its faults because you like to watch garbage.
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May 31, 2018 05:49
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ryonguy posted:Hey you can watch all the garbage you want, just don't get picky when people point out its faults because you like to watch garbage. Nah, not being picky, just explaining the rational behind that concept. And although I have willingly watched some real garbage, firefly amazingly enough doesn't even make the list for 'bad' because there is so much worse out there. Tonight is "Have Gun - Will Travel", which actually cast Chinese actors to fill the roles of Chinese characters. No Peter Sellers, Sidney Toler or Roland Winters required!
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StrangersInTheNight posted:Oh totally, although there's a whole series of crazy 70s/80s anime sci-fi space operas that border on space westerns, for a while it was a Thing because of the popularity of Star Wars There was at least one American show with the same premise, called Adventures of the Galaxy Rangers: 
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May 31, 2018 09:23
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The Star Wars rip-off Battle Beyond the Stars had George Peppard wearing a cowboy hat and squirting liquor from his belt like bullets in a bandoleer. So yeah, uncharted frontiers are all about cowboys regardless of location.
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May 31, 2018 12:25
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Mu Zeta posted:Isaac and Ishmael was lovely on day one. I was a kid and my eyes did a 360 roll when one of the students asked if all Muslims were terrorists. It was a bad episode, but there was (and still is) a significant portion of the country that believes all Muslims are terrorists, so it actually didn't seem that out of line. I think the episode had a good intent, just terribly executed because they rushed it.
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May 31, 2018 12:45
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Bird in a Blender posted:It was a bad episode, but there was (and still is) a significant portion of the country that believes all Muslims are terrorists, so it actually didn't seem that out of line. I think the episode had a good intent, just terribly executed because they rushed it. It's sad that what you're saying is true, but at the same time, the show's target audience was not those people. It was just lazy and annoying for the people that were already watching the show.
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May 31, 2018 12:55
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A political drama full of intelligent and honourable characters has aged badly.
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This probably falls more into line for another thread, but whenever a movie/TV show has a fictional president, all I can think is that it's automatically sci-fi because it's an alternate reality. edit: I don't know what the hell I should think of Contact with that mindset.
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May 31, 2018 14:42
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kupachek posted:Nah, not being picky, just explaining the rational behind that concept. quote:And although I have willingly watched some real garbage, firefly amazingly enough doesn't even make the list for 'bad' because there is so much worse out there.
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May 31, 2018 15:10
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I'm going to say I never got into Buffy and only watched a few episodes of the last season of Angel, but if you were any sort of geek in the 90s/early 00s, you couldn't avoid either. It always sort of annoyed me that Xena got largely pushed to the side and forgotten once Buffy came out. I'm not saying Xena/Herc aged super well, it's been a LONG time since I've seen either one to really be able to say they're still good/bad. I will always feel they had a bit of a fun charm to them.
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JediTalentAgent posted:I'm going to say I never got into Buffy and only watched a few episodes of the last season of Angel, but if you were any sort of geek in the 90s/early 00s, you couldn't avoid either. It always sort of annoyed me that Xena got largely pushed to the side and forgotten once Buffy came out. Herc aged better than Kevin Sorbo did imo
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Hercules would kick backward and hit a guy in the knee which in turn made him kick backward and hit the guy behind him which I still find entertaining to this day.
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JediTalentAgent posted:I'm going to say I never got into Buffy and only watched a few episodes of the last season of Angel, but if you were any sort of geek in the 90s/early 00s, you couldn't avoid either. It always sort of annoyed me that Xena got largely pushed to the side and forgotten once Buffy came out. fruit on the bottom posted:Herc aged better than Kevin Sorbo did imo Him turning into an rear end in a top hat is pretty accurate for the original mythic character though.
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May 31, 2018 16:58
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Herc and Xena air daily on the "Heroes and Icons" network, so I watch it out of boredom often enough. It was always goofy and bad, and nothing has changed about that today.
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May 31, 2018 17:27
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Shows that are extremely campy and fun tend to age very well indeed. Xena has a rap battle episode.
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May 31, 2018 17:55
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purple death ray posted:Shows that are extremely campy and fun tend to age very well indeed. S P A C E G H O S T - C O A S T T O C O A S T
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May 31, 2018 18:09
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This is why the Adam West Batman has weathered the years far better than any of his more serious successors
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fruit on the bottom posted:This is why the Adam West Batman has weathered the years far better than any of his more serious successors  or 
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May 31, 2018 18:39
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I think Firefly was an ok show on its own merits, but I definitely get hating it based on its creator.
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May 31, 2018 19:08
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I guess Adam West himself died recently but he'd aged extremely well too, was still working as Batman right up until he passed.
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May 31, 2018 19:26
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The 60s Batman movie is loving timeless and I challenge you to prove otherwise.
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fruit on the bottom posted:The 60s Batman movie is loving timeless and I challenge you to prove otherwise. My point was that other batmans such as TAS have aged at least as well as Adam West's series. That's all. I've got no bone against 60's Bat-movie  
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The nolan bamhams are pretty much exactly what you want if you want the dark and brooding take on the character. Some of the comics have aged horrendously, but as far as the movies go, I think it's just the kilmer/clooney ones that are outright bad. Not even Seal would pull them across the finish line.
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I picked real winners of sci fi shows to watch in the 90's. One year I was into Earth 2, the next year was Space:Above and Beyond. It taught me to not bother with sci fi shows their first season and wait and see how well they do first.
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May 31, 2018 21:18
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Alterian posted:I picked real winners of sci fi shows to watch in the 90's. One year I was into Earth 2, the next year was Space:Above and Beyond. It taught me to not bother with sci fi shows their first season and wait and see how well they do first. Earth 2 had Tim Curry as a villain, I remember it being a pretty good show
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Iron Crowned posted:Earth 2 had Tim Curry as a villain, I remember it being a pretty good show I liked it. It had a lot going for it, it just also had stuff that didn't work.
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Don't get me wrong, I loved it at the time and I still think its an interesting idea. It just sucks to get into a show and not have any sort of conclusion.
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Alterian posted:I picked real winners of sci fi shows to watch in the 90's. One year I was into Earth 2, the next year was Space:Above and Beyond. It taught me to not bother with sci fi shows their first season and wait and see how well they do first. Speaking of SeaQuest, that's a show I was super into at the time, but now definitely want to just leave comfortably in the recesses of my memory.
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Lord Hydronium posted:Speaking of SeaQuest, that's a show I was super into at the time, but now definitely want to just leave comfortably in the recesses of my memory. I think the first season of that show, where it had a stronger oceanographic bent, is still decent. Trying to turn it into Star Trek Under the Sea in season two was pretty bad. Do you remember the one where Mark Hamill plays a blind astronomer who is actually a space alien fugitive in disguise?
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Speaking of 60's Batman, can anyone help me identify an episode? I saw this when I was very young and it was dubbed in German, so there was a lot I didn't get. A villain had gotten hold of some device that made some areas black and white. When Batman and Robin got caught in this area they were badly affected and had to get back to the color area ASAP. Some vigorous shoulder rubbing of each other helped to heal the effect of the stay in the black and white area. The color area got progressively smaller. Anyone?
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Per posted:Speaking of 60's Batman, can anyone help me identify an episode? That was one of the Mr Freeze episodes. The black and white area was supposed to be his freezing cold environment that only he could survive in, which is why they rubbed each others shoulders for warmth. I don't know the exact episode titles for that one, sorry. E: it's from Mr Freezes first appearance on the show, "Extreme Freeze". That specific death trap is from part 2, "Rats like Cheese". 
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fruit on the bottom posted:Herc aged better than Kevin Sorbo did imo Didn’t Sorbo go all right wing after a big ol’ stroke? He gets a little leeway from me since strokes really gently caress people up, and at least he didn’t go full Tila Tequila.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I think the first season of that show, where it had a stronger oceanographic bent, is still decent. Trying to turn it into Star Trek Under the Sea in season two was pretty bad. Do you remember the one where Mark Hamill plays a blind astronomer who is actually a space alien fugitive in disguise? I remember the episode where they fought posideon.
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purple death ray posted:E: it's from Mr Freezes first appearance on the show, "Extreme Freeze". That specific death trap is from part 2, "Rats like Cheese". Thank you so much. It's weird how some things just lodge in your brain at a young age.
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