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May 30, 2018 02:53
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this broken hill posted:botl do earthsea hard agree
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May 30, 2018 02:55
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the funniest thing about earthsea is that when i talk to other fans, women say tehanu was the best book and men say it was the worst. every time, no exceptions
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May 30, 2018 04:10
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this broken hill posted:the funniest thing about earthsea is that when i talk to other fans, women say tehanu was the best book and men say it was the worst. every time, no exceptions I only read the first three, but of those I preferred Tombs of Atuan by far. If Tehanu continues Tenar's story then I'd easily believe it was the best of the bunch. edit: speaking as a man Schwarzwald fucked around with this message at 04:33 on May 30, 2018 |
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May 30, 2018 04:19
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Do any of you YA-haters also hate Robert Cormier? I generally don't like YA very much but I make an exception for him. The Chocolate War I would argue is actually a better introduction to existentialism then The Stranger and is actually pitched so a teenager could understand it, without giving up depth.
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May 31, 2018 19:33
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Seldom Posts posted:Do any of you YA-haters also hate Robert Cormier? lol
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May 31, 2018 19:38
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Seldom Posts posted:Do any of you YA-haters also hate Robert Cormier? Beyond The Chocolate War is also hella good, possibly as good as the first book
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May 31, 2018 19:54
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Seldom Posts posted:Do any of you YA-haters also hate Robert Cormier? lol
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May 31, 2018 20:10
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Clipperton posted:Beyond The Chocolate War is also hella good, possibly as good as the first book Yeah that's true.
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May 31, 2018 20:13
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I mean, Chocolate War is good but man dont drop it up against the stranger
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May 31, 2018 20:19
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One of the things about genre insecurity is that it always leads people to try and put it into comparisons against books they are jealous of Like, if the book is good it's good, it doesnt have to do *blank* better than a classic novel. Comparing it like that just belies your need for acceptance Like how the guy who wrote the magicians had a big thing about how George re Martin was a better psychological writer than most so called "literary" authors
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May 31, 2018 20:22
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In summary, if you actually thought the chocolate war stands on it's own as a great novel you would just be like "its good" but since you secretly know its not as good as an adult book you played yourself by trying to compare it to the stranger
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May 31, 2018 20:25
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I read the Stranger and the Chocolate War when I was a teenager and the Chocolate War explained existentialism a lot better to me . I'm not saying it's a better book, but if you were trying introduce the concept to someone, you'd be better off with the Chocolate War. Anyone who can appreciate why the Stranger is a better book than the Chocolate War doesn't need an intro to existentialism. Anyway, the point I was trying to make is that Cormier writes YA and is good. So you can't dimiss all YA. Genre insecurity isn't a real thing. It's just a class marker. The books can be judged on their own merit regardless of whatever genre they're in.
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May 31, 2018 20:30
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Mel Mudkiper posted:One of the things about genre insecurity is that it always leads people to try and put it into comparisons against books they are jealous of meanwhile, the lit fic thread still can't go two pages without bringing up science fiction again
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May 31, 2018 20:31
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Mel Mudkiper posted:In summary, if you actually thought the chocolate war stands on it's own as a great novel you would just be like "its good" but since you secretly know its not as good as an adult book you played yourself by trying to compare it to the stranger Nah, you just jumped to conclusions like this because you want to demonstrate your own social standing. Class marker. If you really want to engage in talking about books, answer the question--do you like Cormier? edit: I hosed up the quote first time.
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May 31, 2018 20:32
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Oh, and I am finishing up the next two reviews. One sci-fi book and a fantasy series.
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May 31, 2018 20:34
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Mel Mudkiper posted:In summary, if you actually thought the chocolate war stands on it's own as a great novel you would just be like "its good" but since you secretly know its not as good as an adult book you played yourself by trying to compare it to the stranger Does the converse of this argument also hold, because a lot of things get compared to Tolkien
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May 31, 2018 20:50
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Clipperton posted:meanwhile, the lit fic thread still can't go two pages without bringing up science fiction again secretly reading the lit fic thread just in case they mention sci fi
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May 31, 2018 21:01
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CestMoi posted:secretly reading the lit fic thread just in case they mention sci fi i paid  for it, why wouldn't i read it
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May 31, 2018 21:03
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you made up the book called 'the chocolate war' right. these posts are all a piss take, right?
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Jun 1, 2018 01:06
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A human heart posted:you made up the book called 'the chocolate war' right. these posts are all a piss take, right? I made up the book but the posts are all deadly serious.
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Jun 1, 2018 01:16
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Jun 1, 2018 01:38
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Seldom Posts posted:Nah, you just jumped to conclusions like this because you want to demonstrate your own social standing. Class marker. If you really want to engage in talking about books, answer the question--do you like Cormier? Yeah and I like the chocolate war but my immediate critical synopsis of isn't "even better than The Stranger"
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Jun 1, 2018 02:09
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Oh, and I am finishing up the next two reviews. One sci-fi book and a fantasy series. just try not to get probated for something by then
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Jun 1, 2018 02:10
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Yeah and I like the chocolate war but my immediate critical synopsis of isn't "even better than The Stranger" My "critical synopsis" was that it's a better intro to existentialism. Not that it's a better book. You're the only one who has suggested that. Do you not agree?
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Jun 1, 2018 02:55
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YA book is easier read for children than Camus book - a shocking controversial statement in this, The Book Barn
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Jun 1, 2018 05:12
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Mel Mudkiper posted:just try not to get probated for something by then no
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Jun 1, 2018 10:50
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To be fair, a lot of literary fiction these days suck so hard. It's pretentious whiny crap that will be forgotten in less then a generation. A lot of what we now call classics started as basically pulp novels. Dickens wrote his best works for people who didn't know how to read for crying out loud.
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Jun 1, 2018 11:21
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rvm posted:To be fair, a lot of literary fiction these days suck so hard. It's pretentious whiny crap that will be forgotten in less then a generation. that's because the concept of 'literary fiction' has been coopted by the publishing industry into a genre where middle class people talk about their middle class problems in boring prose.
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Jun 1, 2018 11:28
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Seldom Posts posted:you YA-haters Seldom Posts posted:you can't dimiss all YA. Seldom Posts posted:I generally don't like YA very much but I make an exception "YA", as a commercially codified genre, is garbage by and large. That has nothing to do with whether or not a book written for young audiences can be good.
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Jun 1, 2018 16:11
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my bony fealty posted:YA book is easier read for children than Camus book - a shocking controversial statement in this, The Book Barn but camus is YA
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Jun 1, 2018 16:13
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Sham bam bamina! posted:I think you're tilting at a windmill. Lol Sham bam bamina! posted:
Try putting words together in a way that makes sense. Sham bam bamina! posted:
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Jun 1, 2018 16:26
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Hes right tho
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Jun 1, 2018 16:29
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Seldom Posts posted:The books can be judged on their own merit regardless of whatever genre they're in. No.
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Jun 1, 2018 16:29
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I would argue the book has already been judged on its merit when its given a genre
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Jun 1, 2018 16:31
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what about classic young adult writer hermann hesse
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Jun 1, 2018 16:35
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I would argue the book has already been judged on its merit when its given a genre Indeed, the marketing department at the publisher is the arbiter of merit.
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Jun 1, 2018 16:42
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Seldom Posts posted:Indeed, the marketing department at the publisher is the arbiter of merit. Marketing departments are a plague on the face of the earth, but while I agree that trying to pigeonhole books into neat little genres has probably done immense harm to literature, surely you need some idea of what a work is trying to do before criticising it? Otherwise, what's to stop you criticising the Chuckle Brothers for their lack of gravitas? Yeah, it'd be an accurate description, but what would be the point?
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Jun 1, 2018 17:25
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Seldom Posts posted:Do any of you YA-haters also hate Robert Cormier? You mentioned you read Cormier when you were a kid (I did as well). Do you still read his books? Do you find yourself returning to them? I can't see myself doing it. Even when I was a kid, I thought many of his books were puerile and ridiculous. Beyond the Chocolate War, for instance, saw the precocious bully and his friend from the previous book engaged in a battle of wits involving death traps and complicated murder plots. It all reads as ultra-masculine brinksmanship more than anything else. I find much of his work intended mostly to shock, and while that's enough precocious, bookish twelve year olds, I think you can do much better. pospysyl fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Jun 1, 2018 |
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Oh boy I'm excited for more reviews!
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