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The part at the beginning of Godzilla 14 when they're inside the massive dead creature is so good. I really appreciated that the film didn't waste a lot of time with folks being skeptical of stuff and just opens up with like yep, there's some fuckin' huge monsters.
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Neo Rasa posted:The part at the beginning of Godzilla 14 when they're inside the massive dead creature is so good. I really appreciated that the film didn't waste a lot of time with folks being skeptical of stuff and just opens up with like yep, there's some fuckin' huge monsters. Wasn’t it a Godzilla?
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Neo Rasa posted:The part at the beginning of Godzilla 14 when they're inside the massive dead creature is so good. I really appreciated that the film didn't waste a lot of time with folks being skeptical of stuff and just opens up with like yep, there's some fuckin' huge monsters. I think the way they've created this "cinematic universe" or whatever with the Monarch through-line in Godzilla and Skull Island has been really good. I love government conspiracy stuff like that, doubly so if the story involves them hiding some awesome poo poo like giant monsters. CelticPredator posted:Wasn’t it a Godzilla? Seems so, it could even be interpreted as an actual direct relative of Godzilla, making the movie a revenge story.
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Arcsquad12 posted:The Oppenheimer trailer that had the giant centipede corpse in it? That trailer was so good. Not even a Godzilla movie but this has to be up there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xhIX4qr9JI
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Also the fact that it's basically just The Godzilla Series Featuring King Kong keeps the universe from getting bloated. E: That isn't to say that I'd be against a Gamera or two being added in the mix.
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I've been trying to freeze frame the opening credits of Godzilla '14 to see what the redacted text says before it's covered up. I like the one questioning whether the monsters are real or if it is just men in rubber suits committing an elaborate hoax.
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Arcsquad12 posted:I've been trying to freeze frame the opening credits of Godzilla '14 to see what the redacted text says before it's covered up. I like the one questioning whether the monsters are real or if it is just men in rubber suits committing an elaborate hoax. My friends, this is the internet. No need to do anything spergy yourself as there’s always someone who already did: code:
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Basebf555 posted:I think the way they've created this "cinematic universe" or whatever with the Monarch through-line in Godzilla and Skull Island has been really good. I love government conspiracy stuff like that, doubly so if the story involves them hiding some awesome poo poo like giant monsters. Waffleman_ posted:Also the fact that it's basically just The Godzilla Series Featuring King Kong keeps the universe from getting bloated. Same here. I think the monsters being huge monsters helps a lot too. You don't need an origin story because they're huge fuckin' monsters that have been around forever what more is there to know, and they don't need character development in the traditional sense because when well designed they meet that midpoint of being an animal but with enough personality that your mind projects and fills in the rest the same way we do with our pets or whatever. I love the part in 14 when Godzilla is like, confusedly examining the bridge cables in his hand briefly (completely wrecking the bridge/etc. in the process) before continuing on his way. Like he's perceiving for the first time that there's stuff in the world that's not natural scenery or huge monsters.
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Maaaan that film had one of the greatest advertising campaigns I have ever seen.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:SDCC 2012. When I googled it I was shocked that it was from 2012. MrMojok posted:Maaaan that film had one of the greatest advertising campaigns I have ever seen. It's crazy that the Halo Jump trailer isn't the best trailer for that film.
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I like the movie, but it really didn't live up to how good the trailers were.
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Arcsquad12 posted:The Oppenheimer trailer that had the giant centipede corpse in it? That trailer was so good. I'm still kind of annoyed we didn't get a Mongolian Death Worm kaiju. Like, not even necessarily at the movie itself, just in general.
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Mantis42 posted:I like the movie, but it really didn't live up to how good the trailers were. The film just needed a little more of the monsters (Big G in particular), but I thought was otherwise a really good entry to the franchise. Very excited to have more of him in this sequel.
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Eh, its biggest sin was just that the human plot was dull and unengaging, even for a kaiju flick. The monster action was actively great, and the look of the film, even dark, is pulled off well. That dragging gi joe plot is what keeps it at just middle of the road in my esteem.
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The Notorious ZSB posted:The film just needed a little more of the monsters (Big G in particular), but I thought was otherwise a really good entry to the franchise. Very excited to have more of him in this sequel. My biggest gripe with G'14 was that it felt like a sequel to a movie that had already been made. From a narrative point of view, it felt sort of like, I dunno, Godzilla vs. the Smog Monster. The MUTOs got plenty of narrative buildup and introduction, and intersected with the human characters in interesting ways. Godzilla, by comparison, was essentially an afterthought; a deus ex machina used to resolve the plot. Godzilla, as a character, didn't get much development or much to do aside from roar at, and then fight, the other monsters. For a movie re-introducing Godzilla to a Western audience for the first time in 15+ years, it didn't do much to set up Godzilla himself.
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HannibalBarca posted:My biggest gripe with G'14 was that it felt like a sequel to a movie that had already been made. From a narrative point of view, it felt sort of like, I dunno, Godzilla vs. the Smog Monster. The MUTOs got plenty of narrative buildup and introduction, and intersected with the human characters in interesting ways. Godzilla, by comparison, was essentially an afterthought; a deus ex machina used to resolve the plot. Godzilla, as a character, didn't get much development or much to do aside from roar at, and then fight, the other monsters. For a movie re-introducing Godzilla to a Western audience for the first time in 15+ years, it didn't do much to set up Godzilla himself. I thought it did plenty: Godzilla is an implacable, unstoppable force of nature. He is not interested in us, he's barely aware we exist at all. He is on an errand of destruction, and you can fight him, run from him, even help him a little, it's of no consequence to him either way. Gozilla is nature correcting itself and the consequences of our foolish behavior, sweeping everything aside in the flood.
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Cythereal posted:I thought it did plenty: Godzilla is an implacable, unstoppable force of nature. He is not interested in us, he's barely aware we exist at all. He is on an errand of destruction, and you can fight him, run from him, even help him a little, it's of no consequence to him either way. Gozilla is nature correcting itself and the consequences of our foolish behavior, sweeping everything aside in the flood. And that is certainly what the movie wants us to understand as Godzilla's character. The problem is: is that interesting? And, to what extent is Godzilla' disinterest in humanity (relative to the MUTOs, who actually take the opportunity to strike back against human attackers) a product of this "characterization" and not a convenient way of having a monster that we want to have as an essentially heroic force anchoring a future franchise not roasting humvees full of National Guardsmen? Remember, there was an entire deleted scene/concept of Godzilla going to town on Air Force jets at Alcatraz Island that was deleted from the final script. Also, to what extent does Godzilla as a character address or punish the transgressions of *humans* specifically, rather than just disposing of the MUTOs? Maybe I'm just a huge cynic (nevermind, I totally am), but I feel like Thomas Tull was essentially directing over Edwards' shoulder for G'14, and saying basically that "Godzilla can't be shown to do anything explicitly bad, because we want to root for him [a thing Tull explicitly said]" while the bad guy MUTO monsters are the ones doing all the obvious killing and destroying. This ties into what Legendary pretty clearly wants to do with the series, but also makes Godzilla way less interesting to me. EDIT: To elaborate on this, the relationship between Godzilla and humanity strikes me as the central conceit of, at the least, the most important and "best" movies of the franchise, so doing away with that entirely strikes me as either misguided or ill-timed for the first entry in a revival of the franchise. HannibalBarca fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Jun 2, 2018 |
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HannibalBarca posted:And that is certainly what the movie wants us to understand as Godzilla's character. The problem is: is that interesting? And, to what extent is Godzilla' disinterest in humanity (relative to the MUTOs, who actually take the opportunity to strike back against human attackers) a product of this "characterization" and not a convenient way of having a monster that we want to have as an essentially heroic force anchoring a future franchise not roasting humvees full of National Guardsmen? Remember, there was an entire deleted scene/concept of Godzilla going to town on Air Force jets at Alcatraz Island that was deleted from the final script. Personally, I do think it's interesting: Godzilla cares about things that pose a threat to him, and that ain't humanity. We can hurt the Mutos, so they hit back. Godzilla? A natural disaster does not give a poo poo about what's in the way or the damage that it causes. HannibalBarca posted:EDIT: To elaborate on this, the relationship between Godzilla and humanity strikes me as the central conceit of, at the least, the most important and "best" movies of the franchise, so doing away with that entirely strikes me as either misguided or ill-timed for the first entry in a revival of the franchise. Here is the relationship between Godzilla and humanity in this movie: Godzilla is an apocalyptic force of nature. Kills us en masse without ever deigning to notice we were there. We woke him up. We set all of this in motion. We woke up the Mutos. We brought them to Honolulu and San Francisco and everywhere else. Behold the consequences of our actions. They aren't malicious. They aren't benevolent. They're primeval, unstoppable forces of nature that are barely aware we exist at all. It's a different kind of relationship with Godzilla than what the series usually offers, but I don't think that's a bad thing. I think G14 is 21st century America projecting its fears onto Godzilla, much like the original Godzilla embodied the fears of 1950s Japan.
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quote:Here is the relationship between Godzilla and humanity in this movie: Godzilla is an apocalyptic force of nature. Kills us en masse without ever deigning to notice we were there. Well, this is not really a thing that happens in the movie. Compared to the MUTOs, the destructive nature of which the movie *dwells on* (they even kill one of our main characters!), Godzilla is seen doing a minimal amount of damage to human lives. You can argue that it took place off screen, but the movie itself clearly wants us to understand that Godzilla is the lesser of two evils. Which is fine -- plenty of movies in the prior Godzilla series have done that! But those have been sequels of sequels! I don't feel like G'14 gave Godzilla, as a character, enough opportunity to define himself other than in opposition to the enemy monsters, in the way that a solo movie, or even something like Godzilla 2000, would have. quote:I think G14 is 21st century America projecting its fears onto Godzilla, much like the original Godzilla embodied the fears of 1950s Japan. Again, I disagree. To the extent that G'14 represents some sort of 21st century American anxiety, the MUTOs are the much more obvious and effective avatars of that anxity -- is is the MUTOs that carve a path of destruction across California; Godzilla only appears to remove them. If not for the MUTOs, Godzilla would have no reason to appear. The MUTOs are the catalyst in any sense of the word, and without reckoning with what they mean, there's nothing to say about Godzilla himself. I will agree that the MUTOs represent, in a generalized sense, anxiety about the world (though I will say that I feel Cloverfield represented 00's era anxiety better), but I also feel that Godzilla and the MUTOs in G'14 represent different things. The MUTOs are the sort of product of manmade hubris and Science Run Amok that Godzilla stood for in the original 1954 film. Godzilla, by comparison, is serving the same purpose as he served any number of versus films: eliminating the aberration. Godzilla vs. Megalon, in a sense, provides a useful analogue: Megalon (like the MUTOs) attacks Earth because of the proliferation of nuclear testing. Godzilla then defeats it.
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Personally, I see it as the other way around: the Mutos are accessories of Godzilla. The Mutos are the least of the primordial ecosystem they and Godzilla come from, Godzilla is the apex predator of a long-ago world that humanity is now in danger of ushering in again - and we can't even handle the parasites. The Mutos do heavy damage to Janjira, Las Vegas, and San Francisco on purpose. Godzilla destroys Honolulu just by emerging from the sea onto land. Those Mutos? Those aren't poo poo compared to Godzilla, and look at how much damage they did. Now imagine how much damage Gozilla could do if he gave a gently caress.
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Cythereal posted:Those aren't poo poo compared to Godzilla, and look at how much damage they did. Now imagine how much damage Gozilla could do if he gave a gently caress. Well, sure. And, again, I'm a gigantic Godzilla fan that would pay an embarrassing percentage of my yearly earnings if I could see a well-financed movie where Godzilla destroyed a major American city. But that's the thing -- G'14 was flat out not interested in showing Godzilla do that damage in anything but the most incidental sense: the "bad guy" monsters" were the one doing the bad poo poo and Godzilla was interested more in fighting them than the humans. EDIT: Basically, my question is, why does Godzilla not give a gently caress? You could argue that the military strikes against him are flea-bites, but, for God's sake, give us something! Roast a column of tanks, fry a jet fighter squadron. That's what we [I] want to see. HannibalBarca fucked around with this message at 03:59 on Jun 2, 2018 |
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HannibalBarca posted:EDIT: Basically, my question is, why does Godzilla not give a gently caress? Because we're of no consequence to him. Notice how every time humanity starts shooting him, they quickly give up because they realize Godzilla is barely registering that he's being attacked at all and certainly isn't being hurt. Godzilla is something we can't fight and can't even slow down. So why should Godzilla care about humanity? We're nothing to him. HannibalBarca posted:but, for God's sake, give us something! Roast a column of tanks, fry a jet fighter squadron. That's what we want to see. He destroys Honolulu just by being there. Godzilla has no reason to do any of that in G14, he brings catastrophe simply by existing in the same place. This take on Godzilla going out of his way to attack humanity would be on the level of a human getting out a magnifying glass on a bright day to start frying ants on the sidewalk. Godzilla destroying poo poo is what you specifically want to see. I think Godzilla in G14 going out of his way to attack humanity would defeat the point of the character.
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Big G's just like "Jesus Christ, I'm just trying to do my job here." And that's very relatable.
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Cythereal posted:Because we're of no consequence to him. Notice how every time humanity starts shooting him, they quickly give up because they realize Godzilla is barely registering that he's being attacked at all and certainly isn't being hurt. Godzilla is something we can't fight and can't even slow down. So why should Godzilla care about humanity? We're nothing to him. Okay, but, again, is that interesting? The best movies in the Godzilla series are about Godzilla's relationship to humanity. How, and to what extent, are we responsible for Godzilla? Is he a force of nature, or a product of man's hubris? Can we defeat him (even temporarily) or are we helpless against his onslaught? G'14 strikes me as a movie mostly interested in sidestepping these questions. quote:He destroys Honolulu just by being there. Godzilla has no reason to do any of that in G14, he brings catastrophe simply by existing in the same place. This take on Godzilla going out of his way to attack humanity would be on the level of a human getting out a magnifying glass on a bright day to start frying ants on the sidewalk. Honestly, and I mean this, does he? The devastation and menace we see at the Honolulu airport is the MUTO - it is what menaces and threatens our characters. Godzilla does not care - he is the definition of incidental. He appears and RESOLVES the plot line. quote:Godzilla destroying poo poo is what you specifically want to see. I think Godzilla in G14 going out of his way to attack humanity would defeat the point of the character. That is certainly true. But it is, also, what Godzilla did in every series reboot film. Even Godzilla 2000, where the Big G fights an alien invader monster, ends with him destroying Tokyo for no clear reason. The destructive revenge upon all mankind is distinctly missing as an aspect of Godzilla's character in 2014. Maybe it will be fixed next year! No way to be sure.
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HannibalBarca posted:Well, sure. And, again, I'm a gigantic Godzilla fan that would pay an embarrassing percentage of my yearly earnings if I could see a well-financed movie where Godzilla destroyed a major American city. But that's the thing -- G'14 was flat out not interested in showing Godzilla do that damage in anything but the most incidental sense: the "bad guy" monsters" were the one doing the bad poo poo and Godzilla was interested more in fighting them than the humans. You're mad because you aren't significant enough for Godzilla to notice you. The sun is equally indifferent. You're also ignoring the tsunami that killed tons of people. Tezcatlipoca fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Jun 2, 2018 |
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HannibalBarca posted:Okay, but, again, is that interesting? The best movies in the Godzilla series are about Godzilla's relationship to humanity. How, and to what extent, are we responsible for Godzilla? Is he a force of nature, or a product of man's hubris? Can we defeat him (even temporarily) or are we helpless against his onslaught? G'14 strikes me as a movie mostly interested in sidestepping these questions. I think it is interesting and G14 answers all of these questions - it just doesn't scream the answers at you like the Japanese movies do. You don't like G14, I get that, but that doesn't mean you have an objectively correct opinion or that other people are wrong for not sharing your opinion.
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You know what? I actually don't mind the actually plausible fan theory that Goji is Bryan Cranston's vengeful spirit given flesh. Like, his entire motivation is anger and revenge to begin with, and then after the Muto male kills him, Godzilla suddenly appears in the flesh finally, with one goal-destroy the Mutos. I mean, it's not any weirder than GMK's WW2 ghost gestalt Godzilla.
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It’s very on the nose but I’m honestly not sure there’s ever been a better trailer HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I can't help but think that was partly inspired by Planetary. If not it’s convergent evolution. As I get older my opinion of Ellis gets lower but my opinion of Planetary gets higher. Apart from its embarrassing description of Reagan HannibalBarca posted:Okay, but, again, is that interesting? Yes We aren’t No Nope Also no N/A DeimosRising fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Jun 2, 2018 |
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:My friends, this is the internet. No need to do anything spergy yourself as there’s always someone who already did: This is much funnier than I realized and I’ve seen it several times
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DeimosRising posted:We aren’t Well, we did wake him up in G14 with the USS Nautilus in 1957, the world's first nuclear-powered submarine that traveled deep into the Atlantic and woke him up via the Nautilus' reactor.
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DeimosRising posted:If not it’s convergent evolution. As I get older my opinion of Ellis gets lower but my opinion of Planetary gets higher. Apart from its embarrassing description of Reagan I don't recall the latter tbh.
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Sorry about drunk-posting. I didn't mean to suggest that my views on G'14 were the *objectively* correct way of looking at the film. I just wanted to assert a defense for not particularly liking the film that goes beyond some Cro-Magnon "unh unh. Godzilla not on screen enough" sort of thing. And I stand by my opinion that the movie isn't about Godzilla enough.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I'm still kind of annoyed we didn't get a Mongolian Death Worm kaiju. I'm still waiting for Godzilla to fight a jormungandr-style Sea serpent. Godzilla has to be one of the most accessible long running franchises out there because even if you've never seen a Godzilla movie before you know what you're getting by watching one at random. Giant liazard shoots atomic breath and trashes buildings. Sure you can get all continuity focused but even theories don't care that much about consistency and would rather have cool monster fights and occasionally interesting human moments.
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Arcsquad12 posted:I'm still waiting for Godzilla to fight a jormungandr-style Sea serpent. Well, you might gently caress up and roll into All Monsters Attack. Looking at the wikipedia page, I just learned that All Monsters Attack was shown as a double bill in the US with Night of the Big Heat, which seems like a version of Signs that makes more sense.
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But destroy all monsters is great and who cares if you can't name anyone but Godzilla and mothra. It's got anguirus hanging off if ghidorah's neck and everyone curb stomping him into oblivion.
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Choco1980 posted:You know what? I actually don't mind the actually plausible fan theory that Goji is Bryan Cranston's vengeful spirit given flesh. Like, his entire motivation is anger and revenge to begin with, and then after the Muto male kills him, Godzilla suddenly appears in the flesh finally, with one goal-destroy the Mutos. I mean, it's not any weirder than GMK's WW2 ghost gestalt Godzilla. I think a better way to look at it is that the dead creature found with the MUTO cocoon at the beginning is Godzilla's mate, thereby giving him and Cranston the same exact quest of revenge and linking them thematically.
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Arcsquad12 posted:But destroy all monsters is great and who cares if you can't name anyone but Godzilla and mothra. It's got anguirus hanging off if ghidorah's neck and everyone curb stomping him into oblivion. All Monsters Attack is the one where Godzilla is a kid's dream sequence and it's all Minilla, all the time.
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