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QuickbreathFinisher posted:I'm not a fan of her saying the n word personally but like, that's just me. It's pretty great how easily Drag Race fans forgive this stuff.
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alf_pogs posted:its cruel but its also 100% nobody's fault but whoever made the quiz. what are ya gonna do! You could blame the editors. Or
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dude789 posted:Nope. Even if you're not a fan of her drag, Eureka has been a strong competitor and deserves her spot in the season so far. Arranging the public vote so that everyone can see she barely has 10% of the second to last place vote is cruel. It's theoretically for Miss Congeniality, anyway, so it's not like Eureka was ever going to win that even if she wasn't already quite disliked in the RPDR fanbase. Besides she'll prob be top 3 and ineligible lmao
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QuickbreathFinisher posted:I'm not a fan of her saying the n word personally but like, that's just me. no see that happened long ago in the past, back in 2015 from before white people knew that's a loving disgusting thing to say, and she's since learned that you should censor your racist-rear end inclinations if a camera is rolling
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Whalley posted:no see that happened long ago in the past, back in 2015 from before white people knew that's a loving disgusting thing to say, and she's since learned that you should censor your racist-rear end inclinations if a camera is rolling I'm surprised I haven't seen much about her assigning Aquaria a person of color in the challenge specifically and openly because she expected Aquaria not to know how to work with different skin tones. Am I biased because I don't like Eureka? It seems kind of dehumanizing for Kingsley's skin tone to be weaponized like that idk. At best she completely disregarded his experience by hoping it would trip Aquaria up. How lovely would that have been if she actually didn't have any idea what to do and he got an embarrassingly bad beat? 
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You’re not alone. that was a lovely moment and totally in line with what Euracist is capable of.
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It's not like it's the first time skin tone has been used as a disadvantage in a makeover challenge, fwiw.
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to be fair, doing makeup for different skin tones IS genuinely different and you gotta have more knowledge to work on other people than your own shade. Like I hate on Eureka probably more than most but there's not really a better way to sabotage someone in the makeover, and Eureka wants to gently caress Kameron and knows Cracker works with Bob all the loving time. That one was a racial choice, not necessarily a racist one
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Hell it's been used as a disadvantage by the show itself, let alone other queens. Remember when the producers allegedly took away all the dark skin tone palettes for makeup after TKB left in S6, leaving Joslyn out to dry when she was paired with a black dude for the wedding challenge? e: there's a lot of reasons (and good ones, too, depending on how you personally took her apologies for some of the dumber poo poo she's said in public about race-- which at least she has apologized unlike other queens who get passes for being racist af and never apologizing or taking years to, imo) but I don't think her choice in the pairings was necessarily racially charged. it's not the first time contestants or even the show have made skin tone a challenging aspect of a makeover episode. besides eureka shot herself in the foot w/ that one, really, in thinking aquaria of all people would find it challenging. aquaria may have been low in the scoring but Kingsley had mug for loving days and that face was gorgeous. esperterra fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Jun 2, 2018 |
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I think there's a huge disconnect between how the show sells this entire thing ("making them feel special") while also pushing contestants to make underhanded choices that kind of dehumanize the recipients of the makeovers. Was it season 2 when some of the men were too frail to even walk? I get that it probably didn't produce the best experience for Kingsley but I don't really know that Eureka was doing anything except what the show expects of her (the way Ru grilled Aquaria for not doing the same is pretty telling to me).
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Leslie Jones has been working through Drag Race and it's fantastic. https://twitter.com/Lesdoggg/status/1003143461527281664 I want that song NOW.
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Pinwiz11 posted:Leslie Jones has been working through Drag Race and it's fantastic. this was posted way back at 1am this morning so I'm wondering why, after all this time, why hasn't this been made yet?
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after a long, lovely fortnight, here's something we can all enjoy bitching and screeching about : preview for next episode! http://www.vh1.com/video-clips/v71dw7/rupauls-drag-race-first-look-evil-twins asia giving out talking head life lessons. god i've missed it. "we should use a sponge every week". oh aquaria. i think i missed you most of all. lotta questions around cracker's star quality in the pre-credits. does she deserve to be there? i think generally people want to see her do better than she does. cheyenne jackson has a great face. i want to be friends with him. "resting brunch face". that is a pretty, pretty, pretty lovely pun name for a minigame involving pan caes. was that the best name they could come up with? ' aquaria hates food, but you know who doesn't hate food? eureka. what a celebration of differences cracker's little miss wedding cake aka "The Babadook 2" has any drag queen done a cooking show? i feel like that's an untapped niche for the right sort of queen: make sweet desserts, get guest cooks, 100 phallic food jokes an episode then holy hell PANCAKE'S LABYRINTH. amazing god this season has been fun.
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alf_pogs posted:after a long, lovely fortnight, here's something we can all enjoy bitching and screeching about : preview for next episode! Trixie's how to make a PB&J sandwich, and then a cocktail, video on Youtube is a pro-click.
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alf_pogs posted:after a long, lovely fortnight, here's something we can all enjoy bitching and screeching about : preview for next episode! Pancake's Labyrinth was severely underappreciated, as was Aquaria's pumping joke.
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alf_pogs posted:has any drag queen done a cooking show? i feel like that's an untapped niche for the right sort of queen: make sweet desserts, get guest cooks, 100 phallic food jokes an episode I mean, there are these https://youtu.be/_inURoJOhZA https://youtu.be/6_6_pnXgahQ
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zelah posted:I mean, there are these dessert?! i forgot!
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I've been on probation but I want to circle back to something. Folks were mentioning how they can't get on board with eureka because of ignorant racial language in the past. I think that's a totally legit stance and one I'm pretty sympathetic to. I want to ask people with that stance, though, do you feel the same about someone like Bianca who's said really ignorant stuff about trans people with similar levels of apology afterward? Because thinking about that comparison, I think I'm less on board with eureka now because I have a similarly firm stance on Biancas comments and the two stances are pretty consistent with each other. But I've had people, on these forums even, say I'm holding too much of a grudge and people can change. And I'd be curious to see if anyone somehow feels transphobes can change but racists can't. So basically y'all convinced me eureka is a bad person, but I'm curious if folks are willing to extend that logic to more popular queens.
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I think many bigots can change. Can they change easily? No. But that is the whole point of social activism, isn't it? To change the hearts and minds of your opponents. Many of them don't speak out of vitriolic hate, but out of ignorance. Or maybe ignorance based hate. And they just need to be shown the light. Support for gay marriage didn't gain a majority in the United States due to a large number of new Americans being born purely woke, support was gained through decades long campaigns to reach out to the other side. I think that if someone with a past of hate can show genuine humility and remorse, understanding where they went wrong, then maybe there is a path forward for them. It doesn't mean that you have to forgive them right away, if ever at all. Someone like Roseanne can gently caress right off though. She has a long history of making bigoted remarks, and half-assed apologies. She only apologized last week once it became abundantly clear that she was going to be hit financially, as well as affect the lives of the cast and crew of her show. And even since her apology, she's backpedaled, and tried to place the blame back on ABC.
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jit bull transpile posted:I've been on probation but I want to circle back to something. Folks were mentioning how they can't get on board with eureka because of ignorant racial language in the past. I used to greatly enjoy Bianca during her run on Season 6, and her brand of humor + drag really did contribute to the explosion of popularity in Drag Race as a whole... but I can't say that I've enjoyed what she's done since then whatsoever.
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jit bull transpile posted:I've been on probation but I want to circle back to something. Folks were mentioning how they can't get on board with eureka because of ignorant racial language in the past. i don't think anyone should begrudge you the grudge: if the poo poo she's said is stuff you can't forgive her for, it's a bit presumptuous of people to ask you to do so. but the ability of people to change is what you pretty much have to rely on as a human being. pretty much what nihonniboku said. if i have lost the ability to grow as a person, i'm hosed!! that said, there's a few reasons why i think bianca manages to deflect criticism better than eureka. this comes with the caveat that i'm just ur average 33 year old queer white boy from australia. call me out on my horseshit as necessary. by and large, bianca is more well-loved than eureka because she's a lot funnier. like, not even by a matter of degrees. eureka does some things well (fat jokes, and physical comedy) but bianca radiates confidence and charisma. a lot of eureka's talking heads are her crying that she didn't do as well as she liked - wanting sympathy from the audience. there's absolutely none of that in bianca, which is more endearing - she got a pretty straight-up snark-queen villain edit for the first half of s6. speaking of s6, bianca's popularity is likely also from being in one of the "great" RPDR seasons. nobody was bored by her season and found her an entertaining winner. i don't really know why people might forgive transphobic comments and not racist comments: the disrespect and intent can be the same. but here's my own personal experience. for me in australia, racist language has been generally accepted as deeply upsetting and hurtful for as long as i can remember. particularly, using the N-word has always been a massive, massive no-no. i remember very clearly being told off thoroughly by a teacher for using it in late primary school and the hot shame accompanying it. however, it wasn't until the last two decades, or fifteen years, that a friend called me on some of the words i was using as being potentially transphobic. for me personally, it was a concious adjustment of the language i used, to try and show more respect to trans people - whereas avoiding racist language had been inbuilt since i was a young kid. i think transphobic language is still being codified in society to an extent - for example, Drag Race has changed the language it's used on the show in response to the community. alf_pogs fucked around with this message at 05:12 on Jun 6, 2018 |
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Not to derail a good discussion but Willam is postin' some poo poo on twitter: https://twitter.com/willam/status/1004123205324304384 https://twitter.com/willam/status/1004123323335258113
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The Berzerker posted:Not to derail a good discussion but Willam is postin' some poo poo on twitter: loving finally. It's been what, like 18 years since season 4?
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willam, the real polish remover.
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Nihonniboku posted:loving finally. It's been what, like 18 years since season 4? drat, somebody's NDAs expired recently. He was probably just waiting for the most public opportunity to drop it, and that was a pretty good one.
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The Berzerker posted:Not to derail a good discussion but Willam is postin' some poo poo on twitter: This is why I keep saying I watch this show to support and enjoy the queens, not RuPaul. All this background information makes Ru feel like he doesn't relate to other queens at all and basically puts on the NYC ballroom girl act just for the cameras. And the production is just a mess. I'm glad we have Willam out there not giving a gently caress and giving the dirt.
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jit bull transpile posted:All this background information makes Ru feel like he doesn't relate to other queens at all and basically puts on the NYC ballroom girl act just for the cameras. I mean RuPaul was always more an obsessive I Want to Be A Star type rather than any kind of NYC ball girl. The whole reason Ru became a celebrity was because his manager + Mathu Anderson basically crafted a hyper-polished, clean-ish, supermodel version of the drag queen world (which is likely better represented in tone and polish level by Divine).
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Combed Thunderclap posted:I mean RuPaul was always more an obsessive I Want to Be A Star type rather than any kind of NYC ball girl. The whole reason Ru became a celebrity was because his manager + Mathu Anderson basically crafted a hyper-polished, clean-ish, supermodel version of the drag queen world (which is likely better represented in tone and polish level by Divine). Yeah, you said it better than I did. All I mean is that Ru's Drag Race persona very much borrows heavily from ballroom lingo and competition but it definitely feels like a costume he puts on. He's first and foremost an actor/singer and drag is his vehicle to push those pursuits. There's nothing necessarily wrong with that, it's just why I express concern at the idea that he's so heavily identified as the drag queen to most of America outside of the queer community. I think a lot of his ideas on drag, sexuality, and gender are pretty outside the mainstream of drag and queer culture at this point but he provides an awfully convenient soundbite to people who want to be able to quote a real live drag queen on some of this stuff. Bring on Michelle Visage's Drag Race featuring Lizzo.
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Pretty much all of this is stuff he's said before, fwiw. e: i by no means want to claim ru is a truly good and altruistic person, b/c he is indeed rich and he doesn't seem to care much (and nobody in the early days of the show seemed to care much) about how shoddily production was run and how badly they treated the queens. but! w/r/t the ball thing, i don't think ru has ever really claimed to be a ball queen. he uses the lingo b/c he's old and old gays use that lingo, gays who were alive then or grew up around the ever present ballroom scenes in nyc and beyond, or hell are younger and have seen paris is burning/otherwise know their herstory adopt that lingo all the time Michelle Visage on the other hand is actually a ball queen lmao, and while she wasn't on seasons 1 and 2 she was intended to be so the show borrowing extra heavily from that scene even tho ru isn't a ball queen still makes sense imo and I think there's nothing wrong with Ru being considered THE drag queen, so long as people realize/get educated that he represents one specific facet of drag. ru being a p sanitized/supermodel version of a drag queen and that being more easily accepted when he rose to fame is not a bad thing and has imho helped the community in its own way. i'd also consider lady bunny to be considered THE drag queen, and of course divine, so we have a p good variety. ru's just more familiar to the younger audiences since he has a hit TV show esperterra fucked around with this message at 08:20 on Jun 6, 2018 |
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esperterra posted:Pretty much all of this is stuff he's said before, fwiw. I don't disagree with you really, but I think that while Ru certainly opened the door in the 90s, it feels like stagnation that it took until pretty much now for another queen to be a proper crossover mainstream hit (I'm referring to Trixie here). I'm kind of always of the mind that progress isn't fast enough no matter how fast it is, lol. We should have been there already. It depresses me whenever anyone's like "well, America accepts JC Penney Catalog clean cut gay guys now. Just 50 years to go until fat gay guys are real and authentic human beings too! And you trans whatevers are totally in the queue too! I know that's a tad cynical, but only just imo. I don't think the line to shows like Dragula going main stream or the awesome down in the dirt queens I saw in dives in Milwaukee being treated like the artists they are goes through RuPaul basically dominating the whole mainstream conversation about drag. That's why I was really down on the idea of his Netflix show earlier. He doesn't know anything about what it's like to be down on his luck. Fortunately the first episode of Pose was extremely good and it gives me hope that, like Atlanta, it's going to cross over and maybe expose more people to the less comfortable side of what this art is and where it comes from. And also while I adore divine, I've never met a cishet who knew of her outside of a really tiny niche of hard-core movie buffs but maybe you're a bit older than me and your cohort is more familiar. I dunno, maybe I should start some sort of general queer media thread for these kind of chats so the folks who just want to talk about what's happening in current episodes don't have to scroll past this stuff. Would anyone be interested in a thread like that? And where to post it?
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jit bull transpile posted:And also while I adore divine, I've never met a cishet who knew of her outside of a really tiny niche of hard-core movie buffs but maybe you're a bit older than me and your cohort is more familiar. Nah I'm relatively young but I run with mostly other gays and weirdos lmao. I do know a fair chunk of normal-rear end small town people who at least know who Divine is through osmosis, or know who Divine is because someone told them Ursula was based on Divine lmfao also yeah, Pose was loving great! Had some Murphy hiccups but overall the tone and dedication to bringing alive some of those sets/etc was phenomenal, and going out of their way to cast gay and trans people in gay and trans roles is like the loveliest icing on an already pretty drat good cake
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I loved reading about all the behind-the-scenes fuckery that's going on and I'm glad Willam is dropping the T. I get the impression that most of the other queens would never speak out like this, out of respect for Mother Ru, but Willam is the only one smart enough to realize that no one is giving out crowns for respect. I never liked him as much as lots of other queens and his Beatdown was never really my kind of humor but I respect Willam for realizing that there are other ways to *win* Drag Race besides making it to the finale. And from what I've heard he is good with his fans, works hard and is mostly professional. Can someone help me parse something though. What exactly did Willam do to get kicked off the show? It was the major mystery of Season 4 with the only on-air clue being that Phi Phi accused Willam of "breaking rules". At the finale/reunion they came out with the tale that Willam had contacted his partner to come and visit him when they were supposed to be sequestered but in these recent tweets Willam is now saying that that's not true and it instead had something to do with him strategically trying to get kicked off by lying about his computer being stolen? Can someone help me make sense of what happened?
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King of Foolians posted:I loved reading about all the behind-the-scenes fuckery that's going on and I'm glad Willam is dropping the T. I get the impression that most of the other queens would never speak out like this, out of respect for Mother Ru, but Willam is the only one smart enough to realize that no one is giving out crowns for respect. I never liked him as much as lots of other queens and his Beatdown was never really my kind of humor but I respect Willam for realizing that there are other ways to *win* Drag Race besides making it to the finale. And from what I've heard he is good with his fans, works hard and is mostly professional. I think the better question might be "what didn't Willam do." He had quite a bit of previous experience working in TV/film so probably knew more than the other queens how things are supposed to work during production. Right from the start of filming when they were doing their entrances, he called bullshit on them letting Sharon redo her entrance but not anyone else. My understanding was he decided then that if the producers were going to bend/break the rules, fuckit I will too. Willam is good at a lot of things but what she's outstanding with is marketing/branding herself. She is a very sharp businesswoman and correctly assumed she could get a ton of publicity from getting kicked off the show, and burning bridges with Ru and WoW wouldn't end her career. So, she broke all the rules and repeatedly called the producers out on unfair things they were doing on set. I'm not 100% sure on the timeline and what the actual final straw was but I think when she slept with the producer that was pretty close to the tipping point. The official reason given at the reunion was she called her husband over to the hotel to get some D. Actually she broke all the rules and beat the producers at reality TV. edit: re-reading I think it was the computer thing that was the final straw, loving the producer was at the end of the whole season. edit2: also WoW booked Willam for All Stars S1 and canceled her 40 hours before it was supposed to start. IIRC that's why Mimi Imfurst is there, she was a last minute replacement. WoW is kind of lovely. Pellisworth fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Jun 7, 2018 |
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“WoW is kind of lovely” is an understatement. There’s some tea about how in Season 9 Farrah wet herself because they weren’t allowed bathroom breaks.
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