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Hal Incandenza posted:If someone has a great non-AS scum case today, I'm all for looking at that. Otherwise AS is kind of a detriment to town going forward. If I were scum I would want AS around as long as possible after that claim unless I was totally convinced she was a master scum hunter who would break the game open if left alive. This is an excellent point.
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Does a bomb role actually exist? That’s the only reason I’m wary of a soda lynch.
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b-minus1 posted:Does a bomb role actually exist? That’s the only reason I’m wary of a soda lynch. Yeah it does. But most likely that would just kill the person who hammered. We can always try and make whoever seems scummiest hammer
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Jun 3, 2018 23:45
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For what it's worth I believe ASoda's claim 100% but it does put us in an uncomfortable position of having to dunk someone who is almost definitely town without being able to scumhunt. Personally I do not like the way Hal is arguing, and appears to be moving the goalposts multiple times on reasons we should dunk AS. Also that "who would want AS in LYLO" situation is incredibly petty, imo, and speaks of a weird level of confidence in AS' dunk, which does not seem a pro-Town attitude to have, PGO Death-Miller or no. I am currently preferring Hal over any sort of narrative claimed on Soda.
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Jun 4, 2018 00:15
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Lol ok vote me that’s fine
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Jun 4, 2018 00:21
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Hal Incandenza posted:Lol ok vote me thats fine Well, if you insist. ##unvote ##vote Hal
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Jun 4, 2018 00:22
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 ##vote Monathin
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Jun 4, 2018 00:26
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I guess I should just claim. Reverse death-Miller so I’ll flip town but know that I was secretly scum
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Jun 4, 2018 00:31
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Lolwut
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Jun 4, 2018 00:32
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I'm a double triple death miller. I flip opposite of whatever I am, but I'm presented as a 3p 1 shot BP SK.
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Jun 4, 2018 00:53
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I'm a Schrodinger Miller: I don't even know my own alignment until I die.
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Jun 4, 2018 01:10
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Hal Incandenza posted:I guess I should just claim. Reverse death-Miller so Ill flip town but know that I was secretly scum Are you saying you do not believe ASoda's claim? Please speak clearly.
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Jun 4, 2018 01:24
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Hal should hammer AS imo. I'll vote AS closer to deadline (not too close hopefully)
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Jun 4, 2018 01:25
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Monathin posted:Are you saying you do not believe ASoda's claim? Please speak clearly. I tend to believe it but it doesn’t change my attitude about what to do. Mostly I was just being snide because people acting like I’m pushing some scummy agenda is irking me when I’m pretty clearly coming from a logical place. AS herself said mostly the same things I did
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Jun 4, 2018 01:31
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Dick Bastardly posted:Hal should hammer AS imo. I'll vote AS closer to deadline (not too close hopefully) Fine by me
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Jun 4, 2018 01:31
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Hal Incandenza posted:I tend to believe it but it doesnt change my attitude about what to do. It was not what you said, but how you said it.
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i'm awake and catching up, have a case to make on keane i am fine to die today, its what i expected when i claimed i will flip 'wild-aligned' when i die, there is no confirmation that this is the scum alignment Tired Moritz posted:hes a bomb sister mother wife and lover, adams rib the ever other im a lady
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Jun 4, 2018 02:20
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Tired Moritz posted:we should kill AS for having inside jokes is fair, was bad haha Hal Incandenza posted:
yeah were is merk, i expected him to be hear bossing everyone around by now Hal Incandenza posted:Do you have a better option? (besides me) this is true, killing me is the best outcome today sadly but thats ok, i still win with town i'm getting more frustration that opportunistic scum from hal tbh, whereas i'm getting the opposite from keane
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oh i usually would be totally against town voting for themselves but if it makes you all feel better i will hammer myself. nothing will happen, because i am a pgo deathmiller keane is pinging me, mostly re: this post CCKeane posted:So here's why I'm suspicious, here. keane is a ~legendary~ player right. firstly, i already pointed out the first bit, claiming as pgo removes all the benefit from the role. if i had claimed just death miller, i bet that a cop would have tried to check me out during the night and got themselves shot. scum are not going to prioritise me as a target when i'm an excellent push later. claiming death miller w/o claiming pgo would have been heaps worse than claiming them both, and i think keane knows this. his second point is that "i just outted bk and mona power roles". i don't think he can believe this genuinely. the options are: 1. i'm scum or 3p, in which case how the hell would i know. 2. i'm town and i'm a dumbass outing power roles - more realistic, but i'm not that stupid. in any case again, how would i know. keane can't legitimately think that i'm outing power roles here, so why is he pushing it like that? i think he's using my silly joke to see if he can get any confirmation of that or not from others. finally, the last line. he's definitely voting me here and it is on the basis that there is treachery and it stinks. he shifts later to asking me how i'd be an asset, moving away from his implications that i'm somehow dodgy. CCKeane posted:I voted you as a goof, but it looks like I made the right call. i've already acknowledged that i'm not an asset to town, and that town should kill me today. what happened to the "something is fishy" from earlier? i think keane is acting suss, with subtle fishing and slippery insinuations, and possible scum ##unvote ##vote keane
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I agree Keane pushing the whole power role outing thing is weird af. The way I see it, if lynching AS is the expected outcome of the claim, then why try to shade AS at all? It's odd, and I don't like it. I think Keane is worthy of intense scrutiny moving forward.
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Jun 4, 2018 02:54
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Hmm I was actually fine with that keane post.
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Jun 4, 2018 02:58
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*she's a bomb
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b-minus1 posted:Hmm I was actually fine with that keane post. why, what appealed to you? i'd be happy for you to respond to my points, but i don't see how that post was fine.
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Jun 4, 2018 03:07
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Tired Moritz posted:*she's a bomb thankyou tm
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Jun 4, 2018 03:08
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Jun 4, 2018 03:58
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Tired Moritz posted:whats with the hal votes sal's appears to be a joke vote but the other two are weird. i asked moat why and he said Moatillata posted:Hal knows what he did Moatillata posted:Don't sign your posts help me understand moat! mona's vote i don't get either Monathin posted:It was not what you said, but how you said it. can you go more into this? what's kicking off the scum vibe?
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BottleKnight posted:What Does It Mean I believe her claim which means she is likely town and would not like to execute her as it does nothing to forward the game for town but waste a lynch and give the scum a free nk I would prefer to lynch someone who is actually on the scum team Barring that her lynch is better than say, a lurker lynch (which frequently happens d1) since we avoid redirect shenanigans with the PGO I feel like I shouldn't have to spell this out to you beek
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Jun 4, 2018 04:19
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Slamburger posted:I'm a Schrodinger Miller: I don't even know my own alignment until I die. How long have you been keeping this one in the box
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Jun 4, 2018 04:20
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Atomic Soda posted:sal's appears to be a joke vote but the other two are weird. 
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Jun 4, 2018 04:23
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the moral of the story is that you should never claim in d1 because its such a drat hassle.
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Tired Moritz posted:the moral of the story is that you should never claim in d1 because its such a drat hassle. So, why did you claim you were scum?
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Jun 4, 2018 04:25
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because it was joke phase
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Jun 4, 2018 04:27
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Tired Moritz posted:because it was joke phase Hold on channels the spirit of Pinterest mom
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Jun 4, 2018 04:30
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I would like to see Keane respond to AS's case if he would only stop lurking
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Jun 4, 2018 04:32
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Moatillata posted:I would like to see Keane respond to AS's case Okay. AS is wrong. Ta-da!
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Jun 4, 2018 04:38
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CCKeane posted:Okay. 
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Jun 4, 2018 04:38
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AS is the clear vote for today, feel free to keep in mind what she is saying for the future I suppose, but there are zero reasons to not vote her today, it's clearly a role that should be eliminated even if everything she said is completely on the level, which is dubious at best. I'll gladly apply the hammer if folks are worried about a bomb.
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Atomic Soda posted:oh i usually would be totally against town voting for themselves but if it makes you all feel better i will hammer myself. nothing will happen, because i am a pgo deathmiller I'd also point out here that AS actually does not believe this, since she is not voting herself.
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Atomic Soda posted:oh i usually would be totally against town voting for themselves but if it makes you all feel better i will hammer myself. nothing will happen, because i am a pgo deathmiller Let's also take this apart further: Are these the only options? They are not, and signaling exists as an option. Let's look at AS's claim and how Mona, one of the named players, responded to it. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3857599&userid=178848 The above is Mona's post history. I'm linking it here so everybody inclined to take a look can see how many of the posts are directly related to AS and Mona's reaction to AS. Monathin posted:I believe Atomic Soda. Monathin posted:I do not believe Soda is lying, Keane. Monathin posted:I think ASoda is a fine player and I get wanting to claim PGO because it's a really tricky role to play around, the main way they're useful as a power role is by trying to get scum to run into them, as has been discussed, which is now out the window. The way they're responding to you feels like towny who knows they got a role that can't be very useful to town. Monathin posted:For what it's worth I believe ASoda's claim 100% but it does put us in an uncomfortable position of having to dunk someone who is almost definitely town without being able to scumhunt. Notably ABSENT in Mona's posts are any response to Mona being called out by name by AS in her claim. I thought I was more explicit in my call out of that, but I'm a bit ambigious so let me be clear: I'd like Mona to respond to AS claiming them out by name. CCKeane posted:I voted you as a goof, but it looks like I made the right call.
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CCKeane posted:Notably ABSENT in Mona's posts are any response to Mona being called out by name by AS in her claim. If y'all are gonna make me do this, fine. I have flavor in my role PM that reinforces what Atomic Soda is saying about a psuedo Death Miller claim, because I have something similar, though not the same as ASoda's claim.
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