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Randalor posted:"Make Batman, but set it in high school!" is one of those decisions you hear about execs making and wonder just how many pills they had taken with their pre-lunch martini. Batman Beyond is a good show. It was mostly tasteless and unfunny to begin with, so... even if it aged perfectly it's still pretty bad. It did have some occasional gems, so I'll give it that.
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skooma512 posted:Anybody else remember Static Shock? It was surprisingly decent, hit on some heavy issues, and was pretty ahead of its time. The episode I remember best is the one where he teams up with Soul Power, a retired superhero from the 70s voiced by Brock Peters, who drove around town in his Soulmobile and was based out of a secret hideout called the Power Pad. That one was great.
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Jun 6, 2018 22:37
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Batman Beyond wasn't universally accepted until probably the first bits of actual animation started to role out. The geek community was really instantly against it for the first year or two of its development until it finally came out and people realized it wasn't garbage and was a new take on the old mythos.
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Jun 6, 2018 22:59
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The main reason why you remember these shows fondly is Dwayne McDuffie, an extremely talented writer who was sadly taken from us too soon. If it seems like at a certain point all the DC Comics animated stuff gets way worse, that's probably around his passing.
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Jun 6, 2018 23:01
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The DCAU stuff had a very distinctive visual identity. I'm not really keen on the pseudo-anime style they have now. It's much less interesting to me. The one Batman Beyond episode that's always stuck in my mind was the one where Terry goes up against a gang of toughs who have all been modified by this scientist who specialises is advanced prosthetics, whose wife they've kidnapped to extort him into upgrading them with implanted weapons. One guy has his lower legs and forearms replaced with robot limbs that can extend chainsaws from his wrists and knees. This guy is why the episode is memorable. You see the scientist guy has built in a fail-safe that will cause their upgrades to malfunction when he uses a code word. Batman learns the code word, uses it on this guy, and his arms and legs just break apart and fall off. When I was little it was the most  thing I'd seen in any cartoon.
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Jun 6, 2018 23:19
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Volcott posted:It's so good though. It kicks rear end, I'm talking about the renaming of American cartoons in Europe for reasons Also, there's a far future episode of something (JLU?) with McGinnis Batman, old gray Static Shock, and Warhawk (offspring of John Stewart and Hawkgirl) as the last remnants of the League and it was awesome. I love dark future episodes of shows. The best most  one was Darkwing Duck
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Jun 6, 2018 23:25
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Wheat Loaf posted:The DCAU stuff had a very distinctive visual identity. I'm not really keen on the pseudo-anime style they have now. It's much less interesting to me. Don't forget the ending where the doctor found out his wife never loved him, so when the thug came back to get more upgrades, it shows him being put to sleep as the doctor looks evilly as the thug goes to sleep.
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Jun 6, 2018 23:30
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FactsAreUseless posted:All of the 90s-2000s Warner Bros. DC shows are good. Batman, Superman, Justice League, JLU, Young Justice, I forget the others. JLU and Batman are especially great. Superman TAS and JL/JLU are why I'm confused when people complain that Superman is a bad dumb boring invincible character who doesn't do anything and automatically wins all the time. You're forgetting Batman Beyond, which also holds up pretty well, especially considering how badly the premise could've gone in the hands of less skilled writers and animators, and the spin-off Zeta Project, which is probably the one weak link in the entire DCAU, and even then it was just kind of mediocre. Edit: I'm dumb and forgot to read the rest of the thread first, so I have been thoroughly beaten. Also I forgot Static Shock, which came out just a little too late for me to watch much of. John Murdoch has a new favorite as of 23:39 on Jun 6, 2018 |
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Jun 6, 2018 23:34
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Wheat Loaf posted:The DCAU stuff had a very distinctive visual identity. I'm not really keen on the pseudo-anime style they have now. It's much less interesting to me. I still remember it! “April Moon” The most part for me was when one of the Joker gang crashed his spinner or whatever and was just banging on his dashboard in desperate frustration. The VA really sold it.
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Jun 6, 2018 23:36
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Wheat Loaf posted:The DCAU stuff had a very distinctive visual identity. I'm not really keen on the pseudo-anime style they have now. It's much less interesting to me. The thing that hosed me up in Batman Beyond was Ink(?) liquifying and forcing herself inside her victims, that's straight up terrifying.
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Samuringa posted:The thing that hosed me up in Batman Beyond was Ink(?) liquifying and forcing herself inside her victims, that's straight up terrifying. Inque
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Jun 6, 2018 23:43
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Though as a counterpoint, there are definitely some clunker episodes in the bunch. Like the one where Batman has to contend with a giant chicken.
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Jun 6, 2018 23:44
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The answer to the questions "What is the best episode of Batman TAS?" and "What is the best episode of Batman Beyond?" is the same: The one that introduced Mr. Freeze. That guy's life loving sucked, goddamn.
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Jun 6, 2018 23:50
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John Murdoch posted:Though as a counterpoint, there are definitely some clunker episodes in the bunch. ?
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John Murdoch posted:
Because The Real Ghostbusters did it better.
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Jun 6, 2018 23:56
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I said a giant chicken, idiot.
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GrandpaPants posted:The answer to the questions "What is the best episode of Batman TAS?" and "What is the best episode of Batman Beyond?" is the same: The one that introduced Mr. Freeze. What happened to Talia al Ghul in Beyond was also really screwed up for a Saturday morning cartoon. Ra's killed her, his own daughter, and stole her body.
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Jun 7, 2018 00:14
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The Bloop posted:I love dark future episodes of shows. The best most Never saw the Darkwing Duck one, but the Gargoyles one stuck with me—specifically, what happened to Broadway.  Also, I don't really remember the TMNT one, but I do remember that it gave me nightmares.Batman: TAS also had that amazing episode where Bruce wakes up and it turns out he's not Batman, he's engaged to Selena, his parents are still alive, etc. The horrifying perfection starts to drive him mad, but just as he's starting to accept this life, he starts noticing weird things like books with garbled text, and that pushes him over the edge. He hunts down Batman, unmasks him, and finds out he's living in a utopian artificial reality constructed for him by The Mad Hatter. Which he then breaks out of by leaping off a building to his death. When you're like 10 years old, and not used to being challenged by the media you consume, that poo poo is absolutely mind-blowing. I need to watch that again and see how it's held up.
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Ok? I don’t know what a picture of some random person has to do with this.
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Rollersnake posted:Never saw the Darkwing Duck one, but the Gargoyles one stuck with me—specifically, what happened to Broadway. It's been years since I've seen that episode, last time I saw it I was an adult though and I recall thinking it absolutely held up Like tas has some silly episodes, but it also has some really good ones like Feat of Clay, any Mr Freeze episode, etc so it definitely succeeded at being a more sophisticated cartoon than was was currently being offered Edit: the Two Face two parter was riveting, showing Harvey's descent into madness and subsequent effects of his face getting all hosed up
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Jun 7, 2018 00:34
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Rollersnake posted:Never saw the Darkwing Duck one, but the Gargoyles one stuck with me—specifically, what happened to Broadway. Similarly the Batman Beyond episode where he knows the voices in his head arent real because he doesnt call himself Bruce Wayne.
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Jun 7, 2018 00:36
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psychopomp posted:Amazon streaming has Babylon 5, so I've been watching that again. It holds up surprisingly well, especially the pacing. Everything except the CG every time they show the station's exterior. Looks like something straight out of Captain Power. Funny you should bring up Captain Power... 
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Jun 7, 2018 00:41
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Rollersnake posted:Never saw the Darkwing Duck one His adopted daughter was blasted with a ray gun and vanished. She actually got sent like a decade into the future but he didn't know that and when she arrived he'd gone mad with grief and decided he was too lenient, so he went all Judge Dredd and drove a tank around the city terrifying everyone and looked like this: 
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Hell the reason the mad hatter had him trapped in his dreams wasn't part of some wacky scheme, he was just so sick of Batman getting in his way he figured the best way to stop him was to just give him everything he ever wanted
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Terry not killing but drat sure not going out of his way to save people and it at times really bothering Bruce was a dynamic I enjoyed a lot. The episode where the dad got turned into a tree by nuclear waste is still great. The Bloop posted:It kicks rear end, I'm talking about the renaming of American cartoons in Europe for reasons
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Barudak posted:Similarly the Batman Beyond episode where he knows the voices in his head arent real because he doesnt call himself Bruce Wayne. also similarly in the batman beyond comic there's an issue where somebody sends out some signal to mind control batman. Only it works on Bruce and not Terry because Terry doesn't think of himself as batman, and Terry gets his rear end kicked, until Bruce snaps out of it somehow. 
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Wheat Loaf posted:and his arms and legs just break apart and fall off. When I was little it was the most But maybe my memory is darker than the cartoon actually was. Still, so many Batman Beyond episodes had amazingly dark endings, which stood out particularly well because the show as a whole wasn't very grimdark at all, Terry was generally pretty upbeat. The noise guy went deaf, inque got dissolved into a sewer or something, pretty sure something horrible happened to Sandman or Clayface.
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Jun 7, 2018 02:25
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A guy goes intangible and sinks through the floor, center of the earth
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Or the Not Fantastic Four group dying in their fight with Terry while trying to get back on the fourth member who didn't join the trip that gave them powers.
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Calaveron posted:A guy goes intangible and sinks through the floor, center of the earth Edit: or maybe in the light if the core of the earth is glowy.
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The Bloop posted:It kicks rear end, I'm talking about the renaming of American cartoons in Europe for reasons You ever check out the Darkwing Duck comic from a few years back? It was good comic fun. The first arc was a Saint Canard years after everyone has retired from being heroes or villains. Drake Mallard has to share a cubicle with a civilian Megavolt who is still batshit crazy. Things happen and the villains and Darkwing come out of retirement for shenanigans
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Calaveron posted:Hell the reason the mad hatter had him trapped in his dreams wasn't part of some wacky scheme, he was just so sick of Batman getting in his way he figured the best way to stop him was to just give him everything he ever wanted And it was such a good idea that they did it again in Justice League, by adapting the Alan Moore story "The Man Who Has Everything", only this time with Superman having a happy life on Krypton. He gets out by telling his own son that he doesn't exist and rejecting the fantasy, which the villain of the episode said was like tearing your own arm off. Mogul isn't even thrown for a loop, it is, bar none, my favorite episode of the DCAU
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The voice cast was amazing overall, but Eric Roberts really sold the hell out of Mongul in that episode.
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There was an image macro that went over the two dozen or so batman beyond eps. where things go poorly for the antagonists, might've posted it here before. Edit: 
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The Bloop posted:It kicks rear end, I'm talking about the renaming of American cartoons in Europe for reasons Adult Static being an active hero in Terry's time (and in the JLU) was already canon. There was an episode of SS where Static accidentally jumped into that future, where he had to rescue his adult self with help from Bruce and Terry. At the climax a whole mob of baddies were closing in on them as they worked to deactivate a stasus field holding adult Static. Once it was down he tore into the mob hard with his electricity. Apparently Bang Babies only get more powerful as they age.
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roomforthetuna posted:As I remember it you're understating it a bit - they broke apart and *flew* off, and were loving whirling blades so it looked super dangerous. Also the guy was screaming. Here, I found it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AEwFhB9WTk How about that ending, though? On the very off chance you miss it: he ded
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The DVD Commentary for Batman Beyond talk about how extremely close it came to belonging in this thread - they didn't just want "Batman in High School", the writers talk about how the suits were explicitly pitching basically "Adam West Cartoon" - "At one point they wanted a god drat batpole in the closet for Terry to slide down." It being as dark as it is was a deliberate choice, lashing out at how loving goofy the suits wanted it. As mentioned not all of Batman TAS is good. The episode where he tries to figure out who is kidnapping hobos is kind of just, there. I think it's one of the writers' most loathed episodes they worked on. Batman doesn't even really solve any problem except for this one isolated camp. They tried to make a message about homeless people and in the end the rich dude literally just rich dudes away. For me one of the non-Mr-Freeze standout episodes is the one where The Riddler gets out of jail and gets a legit toy line and half the episode is Batman tailing him because surely the Riddler isn't clean - except he is, except in a double twist, of course he falls back, but the episode leans incredibly hard on the idea that The Riddler isn't choosing to do this. It's a literal compulsion, a brain defect, and he absolutely can't help himself. Like it just goes beyond normal villain motivations of "bad guy bad" and humanizes them in a way I rarely see. I mean, humanizing is one of the things Batman TAS did well. Batman ALWAYS called the villains by their real name. "Harleen", not Harley. "Harvey", not Two-Face. They were never "lost" to him. More on topic, it's been a long while since I watched Superman TAS - I don't remember much of it, but I remember some episodes just being so egregiously dumb I'd just skip them whenever they came up in playlists.
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There's a batman comic where the riddler tries to pull off an untraceable caper and he unconsciously does a riddle that leads batman to him. He was really loving upset that he couldn't help himself. I think it ends with "I think I may need mental health care."
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Having literally never seen anything ever comic book related except freeze in Batman & Robin, can someone explain what was so amazing about these freeze episodes? Not being sarcastic this stuff is interesting, but I want to know why he seems to be gold standard
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I think before it was cancelled, but the Batman Adventures comic based around the animated series was going to do an arc that involved Penguin becoming mayor and which was going to lead to Batman recruiting Riddler to figure out how he managed to pull it off. I think there was another Batman Adventures story where someone is leaving riddles all over town and Batman and the Riddler are both confounded by them because Nygma's not making them. If I remember right, this leads to Batman and Riddler finally both catching the guy and Riddler, literally, demands answers. The guy explains they aren't riddles: They're just poems. They don't have anything to actually do with clues to crimes, he just thought it was a neat gimmick which just pisses Riddler off.
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