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warez
Mar 13, 2003

HOLA FANTA DONT CHA WANNA?
Asia’s evil makeup was so cool and I loved letting the balloon fly away when she entered. Such a simple little touch for the character but it shows some wit. I wish she had won.

Ru comparing Aquaria to 3 past winners bodes very, very well for her going into the finale I imagine. I honestly can’t imagine anyone else winning after this episode (though the winners have been all over the place the past few seasons so who knows).

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Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right
I thought that everyone's evil twin look was better and more interesting than their 'good' look (except Miz Cracker)

resting mitch face
Apr 9, 2005

5) I hear you.
Lena is a heterosexual woman with an alcoholic beverage, watch out gays.

She's so greasy.

Wungus
Mar 5, 2004

warez posted:

Ru comparing Aquaria to 3 past winners bodes very, very well for her going into the finale I imagine.
Ru remembering the names of three other drag queens who were younger than her was the real gag of the century.

Noise Machine
Dec 3, 2005

Today is a good day to save.


Why the gently caress couldn't it have been Ashanti that went backstage

gandlethorpe
Aug 16, 2008

:gowron::m10:
I'm okay with Kameron staying, since she completely ignored Lena during Untucked.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




gandlethorpe posted:

I'm okay with Kameron staying, since she completely ignored Lena during Untucked.

lmao that was so good.

Kameron is kind of amazing, I wish she would break way from her ~inner sabotoir~ because when girl hits that stage she comes alive, and her looks are tight as hell. I really liked both of her looks this week, but I agree there could have been more-- though I think calling them costume-y was a bit weird. All of her looks have been pretty costume-y/cosplay, just these two didn't have as much care put into them as the others. Though the makeup and headpiece on her evil twin look was a fuckin toot for me.

That first look tho was giving me some Jaina Proudmoore realness and I lived for it for that reason alone tbh.


Noise Machine posted:

Why the gently caress couldn't it have been Ashanti that went backstage

x10000

I loved the legit insane excitement from the girls when Ru said Ashanti would be judging this week compared to their reactions for Dunham.

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

Truthiness!

esperterra posted:

I loved the legit insane excitement from the girls when Ru said Ashanti would be judging this week compared to their reactions for Dunham.

And then they give her tons of screentime anyway, plus that dumb Untucked visit. Like, girl, I know how to take makeup off and I don't even wear the stuff. The one thing I appreciated was seeing that she has blue hair now because she fits all of the blue-haired girl stereotypes.

Honestly, after she wrote the stuff about her sister I don't understand how anybody likes her.

the escape goat
Apr 16, 2008

esperterra posted:

That first look tho was giving me some Jaina Proudmoore realness and I lived for it for that reason alone tbh.

yes! I’m so glad I wasn’t alone in that 😂

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


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Gary’s Answer

Propaganda Machine posted:

Honestly, after she wrote the stuff about her sister I don't understand how anybody likes her.

See, to me this is the dumbest least effective critique of her. She's a lovely feminist who has defended guys accused of harassment because she personally likes them and constantly reframes feminist issues to be about only upper middle class white women. Nail her on that. The internet obsession with calling her a pedophile because she played a weird game of doctor as a child just really buries the lede on why she's problematic.

Edit: crossed out "dumbest" because I don't want this to read as an insult toward Propaganda Machine. Want it to be about criticism of Lena Dunham in general.

The MUMPSorceress fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Jun 8, 2018

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

Truthiness!
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm in complete agreement and actually stopped myself from going on a rant about why she's terrible so thanks for sparing me most of the effort. I'll also point out that Girls was a lovely show, Tiny Furniture was a lovely movie, and Lena can't write her way out of a paper bag. The fact that she's mostly talentless and a child of privilege just adds to the resentment.

the escape goat
Apr 16, 2008

She also gave away one of her dogs because it was “too much work” or whatever and then immediately turned around and got a puppy.

gently caress her forever.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




The great thing about Lena Dunham is the many justified reasons to hate her tbh. Like you don't have to reach at all to come up w/ one.

She's trash.





I liked Girls' first couple seasons tho ngl. She at least seemed to understand she was trash for a while there.

warez
Mar 13, 2003

HOLA FANTA DONT CHA WANNA?

the escape goat posted:

She also gave away one of her dogs because it was “too much work” or whatever and then immediately turned around and got a puppy.

gently caress her forever.

Oh, just when I had forgotten about that :( ugh

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

YOU CAN FLY!!!

the escape goat posted:

She also gave away one of her dogs because it was “too much work” or whatever and then immediately turned around and got a puppy.

gently caress her forever.

There are many reasons to dislike her. But this is not one of them. The dog had major behavioral issues, she hired numerous dog trainers and behavioral specialists, and things were not improving after a year or two. If you cannot handle a difficult dog, the responsible thing to do is to find someone who can. Which she did.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




Nihonniboku posted:

There are many reasons to dislike her. But this is not one of them. The dog had major behavioral issues, she hired numerous dog trainers and behavioral specialists, and things were not improving after a year or two. If you cannot handle a difficult dog, the responsible thing to do is to find someone who can. Which she did.

The shelter she adopted from said the dog was completely fine and had no issues, both before and after the adoption, so it's still a possibility she was bullshitting. The dog thing is the least of her affronts tho so nbd.

Shneak
Mar 6, 2015

A sad Professor Plum
sitting on a toilet.
Listening to Miz Cracker talk is often somehow more awkward than Lena Dunham.

alf_pogs
Feb 15, 2012


Shneak posted:

Listening to Miz Cracker talk is often somehow more awkward than Lena Dunham.

her best lines are her improvised, no filter things. all her rehearsed scripted planned talking is frustrating - i think ru's criticisms of her tonight were absolutely spot on

Andrew_1985
Sep 18, 2007
Hay hay hay!
Knowing the spoilers about Miz Cracker and watching Drag Race over the past few weeks made it really stand out.

Every time Ru visits Cracker in the workroom in the last few weeks she's being civil but wants to GTFO. You see how different Ru is when talking to Aquaria or Asia.

Then you see Fashion Photo Ruview and Raven has been on set and she gives abrasive critiques. 'Oh she turned up and did the assignment.'

As for Cracker's outfits this week? Oh yeah she deserved the Bottom 2 position. But the boot? Mmmmm.... no.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




eh. They both have one win, and while Kameron had been in the bottom twice already, Kameron has at least exceeded expectations in most challenges, while Cracker has fallen short of expectations in the eyes of the judges and a lot of the audience. Ru was clearly over her during deliberations.

Kameron turned out her lip sync while Cracker couldn't seem to decide if she wanted to go comedy or sexy, it was a good first half or so of the song then she kinda floundered while Kameron kept upping the energy.

Booting Cracker was the right decision imo.

graynull
Dec 2, 2005

Did I misread all the signs?
I'm going to be fine if I don't see another drop split for a really long time. It feels like it has been terribly overused this season to punctuate some very mediocre wedding dancing. Yes, I am still bitter about last night, why do you ask...

edited to be less bitchy

Apropos of nothing, it is unfortunate to check out Max's twitter and see her having a rough go. She was weird and odd, even on an entire season of weird and odd, but I liked her and hoped she would have gone on to bigger and better things.

https://twitter.com/MAXcollective/status/1004845769793441792

graynull fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Jun 9, 2018

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




See, I'm fine with girls doing splits or death drops. I'm just tired of the judges and a large chunk of the fandom acting like they're still special, and not something that's just become an expected part of most lip syncs since like season 4.

e: like unless you're pulling an aja or a kennedy and jumping off something into an insane split/drop it shouldn't be a gag

tho when girls both split at the same time i still love it ngl

warez
Mar 13, 2003

HOLA FANTA DONT CHA WANNA?

esperterra posted:

tho when girls both split at the same time i still love it ngl

there is nothing finer in life

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


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graynull posted:

I'm going to be fine if I don't see another drop split for a really long time. It feels like it has been terribly overused this season to punctuate some very mediocre wedding dancing. Yes, I am still bitter about last night, why do you ask...

edited to be less bitchy

Apropos of nothing, it is unfortunate to check out Max's twitter and see her having a rough go. She was weird and odd, even on an entire season of weird and odd, but I liked her and hoped she would have gone on to bigger and better things.

https://twitter.com/MAXcollective/status/1004845769793441792

Max :( my Wisconsin gurl needs more love.

the escape goat
Apr 16, 2008

Max hosed herself over by sitting at home making a boo-boo face rather than getting her rear end out there and capitalizing on those RPDR appearances :shrug:

curiousTerminal
Sep 2, 2011

what a humorous anecdote.

jit bull transpile posted:

It's low-key not-low-key one of the more exploitative reality shows this side of Catfish.

Speaking of not being low key about being exploitative, how about this "pull your deepest insecurities out for us so we can televise it" challenge

Aquaria and Asia's evil looks though, my god.

tudabee posted:

I'm still kind of grumpy about it because it made the critiques kind of weird, especially Michelle's "the balloons are dumb"/"okay the balloons make sense". I assume they did two judging sessions so the good personas could react?

They probably just told them "ok now react as if we said something good. now react as if we said something bad. now react to your evil twin doing something mean to you, now act like you're over it" same goes for the judging at the end "pretend you won, pretend youre in the bottom, pretend youre low safe" then had them switch drag while the judges sat around and talked about how best to make inane decisions during judging.

gandlethorpe posted:

r/shittyfoodporn is a thing, and looking at some of the poo poo there has definitely made me gag (not in the good way). I imagine it's much more disgusting actually seeing and smelling it.

It's pre-prepared food meant for use onstage, and not for actual eating. From WoW. Chances are that poo poo had been sitting there since the night before, minimum. No refrigeration.

I recall an anecdote from the Penny Arcade reality show they did, where (for those who don't know) they had an elimination format which involved the bottom two drawing random words from a wastebasket and making a comic about them in 90 minutes. They would then destroy the loser's comic somehow, in increasingly ridiculous fashions. Tearing it in half, cutting a sad face out of it with scissors, they put one in a loving wood chipper. One of them was used as a napkin for some ribs. Ribs which had been purchased from the freezer section that morning and were still partially frozen, sitting under studio lights for like 6 hours. Which Mike had to eat, messily and pretend to enjoy. So yeah, stage food nasty.

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


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Gary’s Answer

curiousTerminal posted:

Speaking of not being low key about being exploitative, how about this "pull your deepest insecurities out for us so we can televise it" challenge

With Bourdain dying today I'm starting to genuinely think human nature makes the ethical production of reality TV impossible. It goes beyond the usual "ethical consumption under capitalism" because producers have time and again been shown to be directly and deliberately destructive to the people they're filming. If you watch the BTS eps for his CNN show you can see his producers drinking with him and encouraging him to get blackout drunk constantly knowing full well he's a recovering addict with serious dark places to his mind. Then you have the whole Bachelor Island thing that went down last year, The Real World getting closer and closer to date rape porn at the behest of activist producers, and RPDR taking advantage of the difficult economics drag performers face to keep them roped into a low budget hyper demanding production.

At some point a producer on a reality show is going to goad on a murder and there'll be congressional hearings and poo poo. I'm betting someone on Catfish murders their catfisher personally.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




There was that man who killed himself after he ended up on To Catch a Predator. Idk if that counts as reality tv in the same sense tho

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


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esperterra posted:

There was that man who killed himself after he ended up on To Catch a Predator. Idk if that counts as reality tv in the same sense tho

Was he an actual child molester? Cuz then I don't care, cold as that may be.

And yeah, I mean more the semi-scripted producer driven stuff like all the shows on Bravo and E. That guy who produces all the real housewives shows is a dead eyed monster.

caligulamprey
Jan 23, 2007

It never stops.

esperterra posted:

There was that man who killed himself after he ended up on To Catch a Predator. Idk if that counts as reality tv in the same sense tho
Also the Jenny Jones Show murder.

The Berzerker
Feb 24, 2006

treat me like a dog


caligulamprey posted:

Also the Jenny Jones Show murder.

I don't know what this is but I bet it had to do with that darn Rude Jude.

Tendai
Mar 16, 2007

"When the eagles are silent, the parrots begin to jabber."

Grimey Drawer
Asia was robbed

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


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Gary’s Answer

Tendai posted:

Asia was robbed

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

YOU CAN FLY!!!

The Berzerker posted:

I don't know what this is but I bet it had to do with that darn Rude Jude.

This was back in the 90s. She had a secret admirers episode, and a supposedly straight guy, Jonathan Schmitz, was brought on stage to meet his secret admirer. It turned out to be another man, Scott Amedure. It was pretty tame, if not completely awkward, because if you remember, it was still not cool at all to be gay in the 90s. At the later trial it came out that the two men did indeed hookup after the taping; but, when Scott left a suggestive note at Jonathan's home, Jonathan murdered Scott with a shotgun.

Scott's family eventually sued the Jenny Jones show over the negligent role that they had in his death. They were rewarded with $25 million, and the show continued for another 4 years.

seizure later
Apr 18, 2007
Eureka doesn't deserve to be top 4. I hope after this season I never see or hear about her ever again

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

Noise Machine posted:

Why the gently caress couldn't it have been Ashanti that went backstage

I'm guessing that Dunham's PR manager bought her that extra screentime as part of a comeback campaign

QuickbreathFinisher
Sep 28, 2008

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Noise Machine posted:

Why the gently caress couldn't it have been Ashanti that went backstage

My friend and i both said "why isn't this Ashanti" when she showed up.

In short, as has been stated before, gently caress Lena Dunham. The guest list has been really wild this season and all over the place. They should have just brought Lizzo back for another guest seat. Ashanti was great when she was allowed to get a word in between the Michelle and Lena Terrible Take Train.

Asia was robbed. I love Kameron but i think she should have sashayed this episode.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




lol @ the finale tea from last night's taping.

I wonder if they filmed the reunion before this time, or did it after again for maximum saltiness.

Ubiquitous_
Nov 20, 2013

by Reene
Finale rumors and tea are spilling all over, and it’s a mess. 😱

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QuickbreathFinisher
Sep 28, 2008

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Also, the "evil twins" being asked the who should go home question was an excellent way to get them to answer that question in a way that didn't feel gross. I loved seeing them be given carte blanche to just say the poo poo instead of pageant tears. I would be fine with this inner sabotwá challenge being a fixture in the late season, even though this specific episode kind of sucked. I think you could even do without the "good" side and let them go ham on the darksided stuff

I'm going to have to see this finale tea.

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