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agradine posted:Use items? If you can do all that other stuff, why would you need to?
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ultrafilter posted:If you can do all that other stuff, why would you need to? It's a pretty big thing to have when the original comparison is Zerker
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 I will donate $1 (up to a maximum of $10) for each person who can provide me a sub-minute Fire Ship video.That is to say, from first moving the Fire Ship in world 1 (you can get off and save first, timing starts when you finally get off the starting tile) to getting to the town of Crescent and entering the cutscene, ending when Bartz says  "なにっ！ 船が！！ 船がしずむ！！" (Japanese) "The ship's sinking!" (RPGe) "Hey! The ship!!" (PS1) "What the- Crap, the ship!" - (GBA, Mobile, Steam) Rendering the Fire Ship seaworthy for less than a minute. This includes random encounters and checking the map, which is why I've never managed myself. But if I do, I'll donate $10 to celebrate finally achieving my dream. Even the TAS doesn't do it, because it takes a detour to gently caress with Prototypes. I want to see that boat go down post-haste!
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:
 Nevermind, I pulled it off:https://www.twitch.tv/videos/271476267 Ship casts off at 0:03, Bartz says the required line at 0:58. Mountaineer fucked around with this message at 05:45 on Jun 10, 2018 |
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Up to the werewolf village in world 2 with the Knight/MK/Rng/Drg party, which is now I think the furthest I have ever made it into FFV 
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Jun 10, 2018 04:31
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The Run voting finished with Geomancer as the Fire job.
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Jun 10, 2018 06:21
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Poor Bard; always a bridesmaid but never the bride.
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Jun 10, 2018 08:18
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Is Gilgamesh part 3 (on the boat) bugged to not be heavy flagged on the GBA version? Killer bow one shot him before enkidu even showed up.
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Jun 10, 2018 08:26
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Zerilan posted:Is Gilgamesh part 3 (on the boat) bugged to not be heavy flagged on the GBA version? Killer bow one shot him before enkidu even showed up. It's not a bug. Lots of random bosses aren't heavy.
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dis astranagant posted:It's not a bug. Lots of random bosses aren't heavy. Yeah, most bestiary/boss lists I've seen lists him but not enkidu as heavy though.
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Jun 10, 2018 08:33
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Zerilan posted:Yeah, most bestiary/boss lists I've seen lists him but not enkidu as heavy though. He's heavy but he's not immune to instant death. Death Sickle or (if you hacked it in) the Death spell wouldn't work (since the death sickle just casts Death, which checks for Heavy status), but a Zantetsuken Odin and the Killer Bow (which skip the check and just proc "Inflict Status: Dead") do. But no, it's not a bug, just the way the Killer Bow's proc works; it doesn't revive undead or anything like that the same way the Death Sickle does, it's technically a different effect. KataraniSword fucked around with this message at 10:03 on Jun 10, 2018 |
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Jun 10, 2018 09:59
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Death Sickle does work on boat Gilgamesh.
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Jun 10, 2018 10:16
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Dragonatrix posted:Death Sickle does work on boat Gilgamesh. Oh.  Shows what I remember.Still, the Killer Bow will work on things that the Death Sickle won't regardless.
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Angling Dragon posted:Oh yeah, Fiesta time! Been looking forward to this ever since last year's ended. Going normal again (but risky) to start at least, hopefully this will be smoother than my run last year. Speaking of, got what I hope is a good warm-up challenge. Hello.   
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Watching dd try to do poo poo like kill Byblos at level 6 is making me long for death.
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alcharagia posted:hi my names forums poster alcharagia and im here to tell you about the various types of jorbes you can obtain in this video game This was a really good post (I love a good analysis post), though I'd make two notes: 1. You mentioned that Blue Mages can do physical attacks since they've got good weapon options, but that's ignoring their garbage Strength stat (roughly around 20 IIRC, less than a Freelancer even and only a fraction better than stuff like Black Mages). They aren't going to be cutting their way through poo poo with those limp wrists, unless you slap the CK on them and use their second slot on an attack alternate (Goblin Punch doesn't even work since it goes off the weapon's hard-coded base power of 0!), and most parties will probably have better classes to use it with. In short, Blue Mages are best sticking completely to Magic and MAYBE the occasional Goblin Punch. 2. Summoners will usually want to ignore Leviathan, but if you get a Chemist too, it might be worth the side trip; nearly everything in the final dungeon has a massive Water weakness, and Chemist's Elemental Power Mix will give Water a boost too, making it the hottest loving poo poo in the endgame. Granted, that would mean you also have a Chemist, so  (also I know of at least one Fiesta mod that makes the Magus Rod also power up Water attacks like the original version SHOULD'VE done, so that's an option too).
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Updated the challenge post with the new boss kills, congrats everyone! And thanks for the walkthrough, derra! Cool to know how early things can be done. It's also a good reminder on what to pick up so I don't have to back-track out of the rift like I did last year (Magic Lamp  )
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Kyrosiris posted:Watching dd try to do poo poo like kill Byblos at level 6 is making me long for death. oh no was he doing practice runs already? Last I'd seen him he was practicing his masochism in Kusogrande, not in FF5.  Bufuman posted:1. You mentioned that Blue Mages can do physical attacks since they've got good weapon options, but that's ignoring their garbage Strength stat (roughly around 20 IIRC, less than a Freelancer even and only a fraction better than stuff like Black Mages). They aren't going to be cutting their way through poo poo with those limp wrists, unless you slap the CK on them and use their second slot on an attack alternate (Goblin Punch doesn't even work since it goes off the weapon's hard-coded base power of 0!), and most parties will probably have better classes to use it with. In short, Blue Mages are best sticking completely to Magic and MAYBE the occasional Goblin Punch. Gunching is mostly an option if you want to use the Excalipur or if you have a Knight (and Equip Swords) and want to run away from battles while still murdering things with the Brave Blade. I'm pretty sure Equip Swords passes on the Knight's Strength, too, so it makes gunching with the Brave Blade even more appealing. Blue Mages are mostly about fiddly poo poo and status until you get air knives then they become Aeroga Spam.
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Or Death By Math.
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Fenrir posted:Or Death By Math. Excuse me, sir, but this is boring, I am going to micromanage my character levels instead for goblin punch usa*game over in the first dungeon without having saved*
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KataraniSword posted:I'm pretty sure Equip Swords passes on the Knight's Strength, too, so it makes gunching with the Brave Blade even more appealing. It does. I'm at work right now, so I'll post the actual numbers for each skill when I get home (assuming someone else doesn't beat me to it), but basically almost every Equip [Weapon] passive will boost the Strength of the character it is set on to match the Strength of the job it comes from, unless your current job's Strength is already higher.
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W.T. Fits posted:It does. I'm at work right now, so I'll post the actual numbers for each skill when I get home (assuming someone else doesn't beat me to it), but basically almost every Equip [Weapon] passive will boost the Strength of the character it is set on to match the Strength of the job it comes from, unless your current job's Strength is already higher. As follows: code:
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So in a theoretical challenge run where you have a Knight, Blue Mage, and have to use the brave blade, do you put blue magic on the Knight or Equip Swords on your Blue Mage? I知 thinking Blue Mage but I知 far from a FFV systems master.
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Mr. Maltose posted:So in a theoretical challenge run where you have a Knight, Blue Mage, and have to use the brave blade, do you put blue magic on the Knight or Equip Swords on your Blue Mage? I知 thinking Blue Mage but I知 far from a FFV systems master. It's effectively the same thing. That said, using Two-Handed on the Blue Mage and going to town with the Rune Sword is more damage still. They have to be in the front row for that, instead of gunching from the safety of the back row.
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Kyrosiris has this weird brain parasite that makes him underrate Aeroga spam even though literally the only times it won't work are the wind seal guardian and checking if maybe Calofisteri has cast Reflect yet, unless you use a reflect ring in which case 1/4 of one boss battle stops you and you have to break a few fire rods. Oh but this deals 10% more damage, even though it requires about five pages of conditions and means you aren't huddled in the back row safely wrapped in magic evasion-boosting gear.
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Jumping from 2520 to 3360 is roughly a 30% gain. I also say it's riskier and requires being in the front row. Aeroga spam is fine, but there are situationally more damaging options that leave your MP pool for poo poo like White Wind and Level X spells.
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When I have a blue mage (which has been strangely rare for the number of 750 runs I've done) I always tell myself I'll have fun playing around with the more complicated stuff, and then I always end up just Aeroga spamming once I get AirKnives (or the spell, I can't remember which comes first).
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Kyrosiris posted:Aeroga spam is fine, but there are situationally more damaging options that leave your MP pool for poo poo like White Wind and Level X spells. If MP use is a concern, I have to wonder what the hell you're doing, that you're spamming Aeroga, but aren't done with whatever battle you were in, and so goddamn rich from wiping them you can't just drink ethers all drat day. Poque posted:(or the spell, I can't remember which comes first). They're both available as soon as you get the sub, it's just whichever you go to get first.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:If MP use is a concern, I have to wonder what the hell you're doing, that you're spamming Aeroga, but aren't done with whatever battle you were in, and so goddamn rich from wiping them you can't just drink ethers all drat day. That or spending thirty minutes grinding elixirs off of some of the easiest monsters in the game in the Wind Shrine.
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Mr. Maltose posted:So in a theoretical challenge run where you have a Knight, Blue Mage, and have to use the brave blade, do you put blue magic on the Knight or Equip Swords on your Blue Mage? I知 thinking Blue Mage but I知 far from a FFV systems master. You put Blue on your Knight so he can do something beyond whack a guy.
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Kyrosiris posted:As follows: And now for the actual values: code:Strength: Barehanded > Equip Swords > Equip Axes > Equip Katanas > Equip Spears > Equip Bows > !Spellblade Lv. 6 > Two-Handed = Equip Whips Magic: !Summon Lv. 5 > !Black Lv. 6 > !White Lv. 6 > !Time Lv. 6 > !Blue > Equip Harps > !Red Lv. 3 = !Dualcast > !Spellblade Lv. 6 Agility: Artful Dodger > Equip Bows > Equip Harps > Equip Whips Equip Ribbons does not pass on any stats from the Dancer (but Ribbons themselves provide a +5 boost to all four stats), and Equip Rods doesn't pass on any stats from the Time Mage.
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Ime, Aeroga blows. By the time I got it I had both better single and group target spells/attacks from other classes.it was always faster to just Gunch with Excalipoor and kill one enemy while the others also killed an enemy. Add in that Ethers are a garbage mp restorative. Blue is better off doing status inflictions and mighty guard duty for boses.
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Aeroga (at least with an Air Knife or the Magus Rod, which you may as well be using on a World 3 Blue Mage bc your physical attacks suck rear end) is the best generic offensive ability Blue has. Lv 3 Flare is more powerful, but a huge pain in the rear end to put in action against anything that isn't already a level multiple of 3 (and who wants to play the entire game with a bestiary open?) It isn't that it's amazingly good so much as that it's the best option, and there are a lot of team comps where you can't give your Blue Mage a better offensive ability (the choices are pretty much just other magic types)
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derra posted:You put Blue on your Knight so he can do something beyond whack a guy. Put Blue on your Knight so he can be useful by casting Transfusion and sacrificing himself to keep your Blue Mage's MP flowing. Kyrosiris: is there any way you can add Mega64's page to the OP? I always go to the OP to get to the Algorithm's FAQ and stuff and Mega64's boss page is my go-to for status weaknesses, but sometimes I forget it exists. edit: https://ff5.mega64.net/
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OzFactor posted:Kyrosiris: is there any way you can add Mega64's page to the OP? I always go to the OP to get to the Algorithm's FAQ and stuff and Mega64's boss page is my go-to for status weaknesses, but sometimes I forget it exists. edit: https://ff5.mega64.net/ Done.
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Kyrosiris posted:Done. Thanks! Okay, so, if #forbidden isn't an all-Freelancer run, what are the other big ideas? I was trying to think about how a reverse-natural run would work, i.e. Bartz can use the Water, Fire, and Earth jobs but not the Wind job (and so on for the other three). That would be different, I guess, but I'm not sure it really adds much, and it makes the beginning of the game kind of confusing: does Bartz stay Freelancer while the other three use the Wind job until the Water crystal? And then Bartz is locked to Water and Lenna locked to Wind until Fire? I guess now that I wrote that out, it's not that confusing. I still want a half-natural mode. Soulmates mode! Bartz and Galuf/Krile get to share jobs, and Lenna and Faris get to share jobs, but you can't cross them.
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Kyrosiris posted:Done. 
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My toxx isn't in the second post, I feel slighted. 
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I've been thinking about the best and worst jobs from each crystal, and then breaking that down by 750/no 750. Most of these breakdowns have been fairly easy. One has not: Fire Crystal no-750. The 750 side of this crystal is easy, containing only two jobs, one of the best in the game and one of the worst. The no-750 side has three jobs: *Beastmaster *Ninja *Ranger That defy easy sorting. Ninja and Ranger are obviously both part of the typical vanilla end-game domination (due to Dual Wield and !Rapid Fire, respectively). But both are also not terribly strong jobs on their own. Beastmaster, meanwhile, has one of the most famous FFVFJF cheese tactics in the game, and can make fairly short work of both Exdeath fights. Whips are also surprisingly good weapons. Ignoring the Mobile/Steam version (where the "deal 25% of target's max HP" !Release attacks don't work on Heavy targets anymore), how would you rank these three jobs?
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agradine posted:Ignoring the Mobile/Steam version (where the "deal 25% of target's max HP" !Release attacks don't work on Heavy targets anymore), how would you rank these three jobs? Beastmaster is top if you are willing to put in the legwork and bottom if you're not (which I am not, so for me it's R>N>B)
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