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Astroman posted:The best thing Chibnall could do is gently caress up the TARDIS so the Doctor can't control it again and has to try to get them home. Or they have to search for a Time Macguffin and can't stop to see mum. Or you could have characters who neither need nor want to go home every five loving minutes to get a pint of milk. Like, if the TARDIS showed up outside your home this evening, is there really anyone in here who wouldn't just be "see ya, fuckers, I'll send a postcard from 49th-century Blackpool"?
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The_Doctor posted:“Release the McNugget Scouts!” So that's why the Dalek shuttle looks like that:  Seriously, I was watching that with someone who hadn't seen it before and he said "What is that, a Big Mac and fries coming down?"
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Trin Tragula posted:Or you could have characters who neither need nor want to go home every five loving minutes to get a pint of milk. Like, if the TARDIS showed up outside your home this evening, is there really anyone in here who wouldn't just be "see ya, fuckers, I'll send a postcard from 49th-century Blackpool"? That's what made Jamie one of the best companions of the classic era. He wasn't moaning about going home and pining for Scotland all the time, he loved traveling with the Doctor and having adventures with him.
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Jun 9, 2018 16:34
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Crusader posted:Watching people discover classic Who during this Twitch marathon is like the only time I've ever found Twitch comments worthwhile. Everyone wanting Ian and Barbara to just kiss already was a highlight.
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Jun 9, 2018 19:42
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Yeah, The Husbands of River Song shouldn't work but for me, it does. Having gone through a messy divorce recently, "Happy ever after doesn't mean forever ... it just means time" punches me right in the kidneys and then twists around to make it hurt a little more.
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Jun 9, 2018 20:20
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I liked it when companions would just leave because they felt like they'd had enough, or that whatever time/place they were on needed their help, or whatever. I think those kinds of endings could be worked in even with the new approach. The finales where they're separated forever by circumstance are probably more of a modern TV thing, giving the audience a big dramatic sendoff. One part of why I love Clara's ending is that she and the Doctor realize their relationship has grown too codependent and mutually destructive, so even though there are huge universe-shattering aspects to her departure, it's ultimately down to her choosing to leave and do her own thing.
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Jun 10, 2018 00:47
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But Clara ends up exactly where she was earlier (to her) that day. Travelling the universe in a TARDIS with an immortal being looking for adventure. Plus she never has to die until she wants to.
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Jun 10, 2018 00:51
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Jerusalem posted:I don't know why but the above exchange reminded me of the Daleks involuntarily recoiling when 12 rolls out in Davros' chair, and his little,"Admit it, you've had nightmares about this" line Capaldi was so good at these kinds of specific moments in a way that I don't think anyone has been since the Fourth Doctor. I really can't wait for him to have his space from the show and to embrace the delicious catering of Nicholas Briggs's Big Finish.
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Hi everyone, just popping in with a reminder that the thirteenth doctor is a lady and that’s it’s half a year or more before we get to see her! Welp bye! *vworp vworp*
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Jun 10, 2018 01:29
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Is there a reason why Clara shouldn't get to go off and have amazing adventures with Ashilde? Is it because she heroically saved a kid's life? Is it because the Doctor might not then feel sufficiently bad about Yet Another Companion meeting a bad end because of him? Like, I don't really think the 'Clara and the Doctor's relationship is toxic' thing quite works, but I largely like the shape of the story.
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Jun 10, 2018 01:49
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Chokes McGee posted:Hi everyone, just popping in with a reminder that the thirteenth doctor is a lady Wellllllll, she's a woman, anyway. I don't know that she as any particular claim to nobility, but either way, it's exciting. Chokes McGee posted:
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Jun 10, 2018 01:53
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I thought it was gonna be like 3-4 months?
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Jun 10, 2018 01:58
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Pocky In My Pocket posted:I thought it was gonna be like 3-4 months? It seems like that it won't be until about November at this point 
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Now I want a multi-Doctor episode featuring Thirteen so that we can have one of the other characters say: "I quite liked her, but I couldn't stand him" at the end of it.
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Bicyclops posted:It seems like that it won't be until about November at this point What? It's been pretty consistently October. It is also worth noting that they are still filming the season, so the wait is normal. Allowance for a new production team, too.
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Bicyclops posted:Wellllllll, she's a woman, anyway. I don't know that she as any particular claim to nobility, but either way, it's exciting. erm
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Jun 10, 2018 04:35
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Ha I just remembered Moffat said one of the Doctor's children was the president
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anyway there's probably nothing wrong with clara's fate in isolation but what cheesed a lot of people off about her was that she had a real air of being Moffat's pet character, and getting to be immortal and going off with another immortal to have adventures forever in her very own tardis is the most emphatic way he could have confirmed that idea
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docbeard posted:Is there a reason why Clara shouldn't get to go off and have amazing adventures with Ashilde? Is it because she heroically saved a kid's life? Is it because the Doctor might not then feel sufficiently bad about Yet Another Companion meeting a bad end because of him? Fan service? IDK. I've given up trying to make sense of Moffat arcs.
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Jun 10, 2018 06:17
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Dabir posted:erm Time hardly counts, it's so such a small domain.
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Dabir posted:anyway there's probably nothing wrong with clara's fate in isolation but what cheesed a lot of people off about her was that she had a real air of being Moffat's pet character, and getting to be immortal and going off with another immortal to have adventures forever in her very own tardis is the most emphatic way he could have confirmed that idea What annoyed me was that at least early on she wasn't so much a character, but basically a cardboard cutout with "companion" written on it. She actually started to grow on me once they started writing her as an actual person though.
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Timby posted:Yeah, The Husbands of River Song shouldn't work but for me, it does. It's the kind of story that wouldn't work unless you lean in so far you fall over. Christmas is the perfect time for it. See also: the Tinkerbell Jesus scene in "Last of the Time Lords".
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Dabir posted:anyway there's probably nothing wrong with clara's fate in isolation but what cheesed a lot of people off about her was that she had a real air of being Moffat's pet character, and getting to be immortal and going off with another immortal to have adventures forever in her very own tardis is the most emphatic way he could have confirmed that idea Hmm. Rose: ends up on an alternate Earth with her mum and dad and human Ten. Fan reaction? Cheesed. Martha: ends up appearing briefly on Torchwood and then coupled with Micky out of nowhere. Fan reaction? Scornful. Jack: gets to be immortal. Downside: stars on Torchwood. Fan reaction? Mixed. Donna: ends up having her memory (and character growth) scrubbed after being the first non-Time Lord companion given the chance to be the Doctor's equal. Fan reaction? Deeply pleased and traumatized. Amy and Rory: get separated from the Doctor by a Weeping Angel and live complete lives together in New York City. Fan reaction? Pissed. River Song: "River Song has been saved." Fan reaction? Bemused, then annoyed. Clara: Refuses to get the Donna send-off. Goes off in a TARDIS to have adventures with Me. Fan reaction? Cheesed again. A companion who isn't dead or brain-wiped is clearly a Mary Sue. Bill: Goes off in a liquid whatever-it-is as a liquid with liquid girlfriend to have adventures. Immortality possible but unclear. Fan reaction? Eye-rolling. Conclusion? Doctor Who fans are terrible. Signed, A Fan.
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Narsham posted:Hmm. I would take Doctor Who fans over fans of most properties, still, given their biggest failings are lazy criticism, and never loving knowing what they actually want. there's not anywhere near as much hosed-up sex stuff, sooooo...
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Jun 10, 2018 18:28
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Doctor Who fans: Hard to please, but at least they're not Star Wars fans.
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Spatula City posted:I would take Doctor Who fans over fans of most properties, still, given their biggest failings are lazy criticism, and never loving knowing what they actually want. yeah, the hosed up sex poo poo was punted off to Torchwood
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FreezingInferno posted:Doctor Who fans: Hard to please, but at least they're not Star Wars fans. Give them time. I'm sure Jodie's going to get a fuckload of harassment once her series begins.
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Jun 10, 2018 18:40
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Rhyno posted:Give them time. I'm sure Jodie's going to get a fuckload of harassment once her series begins. eeeesh, I don't even want to think about it. I'm just gonna have to not read any comments on Doctor Who articles and Youtube videos.
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Spatula City posted:eeeesh, I don't even want to think about it. I'm just gonna have to not read any comments on Doctor Who articles and Youtube videos. It's already happening but once she's on the air it's gonna get BAD.
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Narsham posted:Hmm. I mean those are all pretty bad tbf. I liked Martha's initial departure and I liked Clara's, though.
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Has anyone listened to that Jenny set yet? I bought it, and was just wondering if anyone's beaten me to listening and could give impressions.
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egon_beeblebrox posted:Has anyone listened to that Jenny set yet? I bought it, and was just wondering if anyone's beaten me to listening and could give impressions. Would also be interested to hear from anyone here. Been kinda tempted to check it out despite not having much interest at announcement since the impressions over at GB and the Divergent Universe have been positive
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Astroman posted:Part of the issue is what RTD established from episode 1 of the revival--the Doctor has full control of the TARDIS, mom and dad are a spacetime mobile call away, companions can always go home for weekends, we're always popping in to visit home, etc.
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Bicyclops posted:I mean those are all pretty bad tbf. Probably everyone has at least one or two companion departures that worked for them (for me it was Donna and Bill), but as always the loudest voices predominate every time so it looks like "oh the fans hate everything". Problem of viewing fandom in the aggregate. Plus the series finales were often derided as overloaded, disappointing messes (again, by different people at different times) and that will color peoples' impressions of the accompanying companion departures.
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The best companion departures are Tegan because she was traumatized and couldn't deal with it any longer and Adric because he was loving dead.
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The old series had a lot of bad exits too, especially after the Doctor had better control of the TARDIS. Like Jo, Sarah Jane, Peri, etc. Usually it comes out of nowhere and is very contrived, "I just met a man 3 episodes ago and now I'm in love BYE!" "You can't travel with me anymore because Time Lord Rules and sadly I simply won;t come back for you later" or "I must go now, my home planet needs me" It's because actors leave suddenly or the producers decide to fire them and the writers have to scramble. But it would be nice if they would choose to leave due to some character growth. Martha kind of had that, and at least Nyssa left for altruistic reasons. Rhyno posted:The best companion departures are Tegan because she was traumatized and couldn't deal with it any longer and Adric because he was loving dead. Yeah Tegan was good, she chose it for good personal reasons.
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The perfect opportunity for a departure was God Complex/The Girl Who Waited (even better if the episodes had happened in that order). Both episodes were so well crafted in showing the maturation of Amy and Rory's relationship, and how their relationship to the Doctor was no longer the childlike wonder it once was, and how maintaining both relationships wasn't sustainable. The choice to leave would have felt like a natural, organic consequence of their character growth... but then they stuck around for another half series so it was 'magic time travel barrier goodbye forever'.
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Astroman posted:The old series had a lot of bad exits too, especially after the Doctor had better control of the TARDIS. Like Jo, Sarah Jane, Peri, etc. The worst exit was Leela, who out of nowhere announced she was in love with a guy who had had 6-7 minutes of airtime and zero chemistry with her.
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The worst exit (which was fitting, as she was one of the worst characters) was Dodo. She literally just stopped being in the show halfway through a story and the Doctor's new companions told him,"Oh yeah she just decided to stay here" and he was all,"Whatever  " and that was that.
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Jerusalem posted:The worst exit (which was fitting, as she was one of the worst characters) was Dodo. She literally just stopped being in the show halfway through a story and the Doctor's new companions told him,"Oh yeah she just decided to stay here" and he was all,"Whatever She wandered out of the TARDIS as randomly as she wandered into it.
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