|
One of the things that holds true across most iconic versions of the Joker is that he is a reaction to Batman, and not Bruce Wayne, and his madness and disfigurement is usually directly Batman's fault, the Heath Ledger version being a notable exception. Jerome and Jeremiah are both already mass murderers, leaders of a cultish gang, show a greater interest in proving some point than money or power, and have clown-like facial disfigurements, so what separates them from the Joker who menaces Gotham in the future?
|
#
?
May 27, 2018 09:40
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 19, 2024 21:11 |
|
|
Dr Christmas posted:One of the things that holds true across most iconic versions of the Joker is that he is a reaction to Batman, and not Bruce Wayne, and his madness and disfigurement is usually directly Batman's fault, the Heath Ledger version being a notable exception. Jerome and Jeremiah are both already mass murderers, leaders of a cultish gang, show a greater interest in proving some point than money or power, and have clown-like facial disfigurements, so what separates them from the Joker who menaces Gotham in the future? Nothing, but I don't know if that's relevant to what the show's doing. Gotham's not really a prequel to anything specific; it only has to do right by itself, narratively speaking. It's hard to imagine Jim and Barbara being an item again, for instance. Don't see Jim hooking up with Sarah Essen either. Canon isn't really a thing this show is wedded to. Who's to say there'll even be a Joker in the future?
|
|
#
?
May 27, 2018 12:16
|
|
|
Especially since Essen's dead. Unless Hugo Strange resurrects her.
|
|
#
?
May 27, 2018 13:53
|
|
|
Batman being an answer to the freaks is a good spin.
|
|
#
?
May 27, 2018 16:10
|
|
|
Mr Hootington posted:Batman being an answer to the freaks is a good spin. Gotham is a good show.
|
|
#
?
May 27, 2018 16:11
|
|
|
Mr Hootington posted:Batman being an answer to the freaks is a good spin. I personally love this take. Crime has infested Gotham for so long, that the organized criminals just keep getting crazier and crazier, and The Batman is a response to this.
|
|
#
?
May 27, 2018 16:15
|
|
|
is anyone else just squeeing over the ed/lee romance
|
|
#
?
May 30, 2018 03:56
|
|
|
Im Ready for DEATH posted:is anyone else just squeeing over the ed/lee romance Nygmobblepot 4 lyfe. Actually.
|
|
#
?
May 30, 2018 04:29
|
|
|
Did Barbara really just put up a huge "No Boys Allowed" sign on her clubhouse? That finale was basically this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6vBSdO2nmY&t=38s
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2018 19:17
|
|
|
VictorianQueerLit posted:Did Barbara really just put up a huge "No Boys Allowed" sign on her clubhouse? Superfriends? Meet the lesbifriends.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2018 19:22
|
|
|
VictorianQueerLit posted:Did Barbara really just put up a huge "No Boys Allowed" sign on her clubhouse? And I'm really hoping the next season picks up like, a week after this one ended instead of what they did with Hugo's monsters.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2018 19:23
|
|
|
I don't know if I hate this turn in Barbara, to be honest. I'm sure it will get cringy before it's all over, but maybe it will add something. Barbara seems to be almost going into Penguin levels of violence, revenge, control, etc. Her "No Men Allowed", screwing with other people's plans and making them her own and killing those who have sworn loyalty to her seems not much different from Penguin's behavior over the last few years.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2018 07:39
|
|
|
I watched this show over the past few weeks and uh, what a ride, but the presence of Bruce Wayne has been feeling like a heavy weight dragging down the show. I don't even mean the actor or the character, I actually like the character and his interactions with his butler, but they're so secondary to Gordon and yet treated as such a central piece that it made me feel at times that it was all disjointed. I feel like this show pretty much overgrew Batman the character and watching the Ras Al Ghul plot I kept thinking that the only reason Wayne is important to them is only because he's important to us. The way they kept emphasizing Bruce Wayne as the end-all-be-all was super weird and nonsensical, almost meta and cyclical. "I saw the future and if things suck you become the Batman so now I'll make things suck so that you become the Batman" only makes sense because we know the Batman is a character. Ras has nothing to gain from it. Ras goal was to die because living a lot sucked and there was a prophecy and it was an interest twist that Bruce killed him after swearing not to kill. So Ras fulfilled his goal, that was an arc. They bring him back, some dudes tell him they don't want Barbara because she's not being a great leader and Ras suddenly wants to live again and take his powers back what. That was such a weird turn of events. "The woman you put in power to shake things up is shaking things up and we don't like it, she's not doing what she's expected to do even though no one instructed her on anything and now we rise you from the dead against your will to be a leader again against your will" should be met with a "gently caress you" but he goes from rage to killing one of them to going back to Barbara and confronting her and now Bruce is his heir and that's just so nonsensical to me. Overall I liked the show.
|
|
#
?
Jun 10, 2018 05:25
|
|
|
To be honest, some of the last mini arc (the Joker stuff) felt like the writers had spent all their time focusing on that, but neglected all of the other storylines. Like, they had the grand idea of Joker escalating things to a new level then at done point pivoted that into no man's land. In doing so though, they forgot that the progression of the other villains was nowhere near gangland level and had to scramble through a number of silly plots establishing them. Namely all of the Barbara stuff. It would explain the ivy no show because they either forgot about her completely or things were drafted so last minute that actress #3 wasn't available.
|
|
#
?
Jun 10, 2018 13:35
|
|
|
Oh yeah, since I didn't follow the series as it aired, what's up with Ivy having 3 actresses?
|
|
#
?
Jun 10, 2018 18:56
|
|
|
Elentor posted:Oh yeah, since I didn't follow the series as it aired, what's up with Ivy having 3 actresses? First one was too young for them to sex up, second one wasn't sexy enough(?).
|
|
#
?
Jun 10, 2018 19:02
|
|
|
Elentor posted:Oh yeah, since I didn't follow the series as it aired, what's up with Ivy having 3 actresses? For some reason after casting a 12 year old and having her play the character for a couple of seasons, they decide they need an older, sexier Ivy, so they come up with a explanation of having a meta-human whose powers age people to death, briefly touch her to age her to a twenty something. Then that actress kills it in the role, but they decide they now need a "darker" Ivy, and recast after Ivy goes into a cocoon metamorphosis after taking some drugs. That actress is around for one or two eps, then vanishes. Wouldn't be surprised if they recast again for next season
|
|
#
?
Jun 10, 2018 19:02
|
|
|
They should change her every episode with no acknowledgement or explanation
|
|
#
?
Jun 10, 2018 21:48
|
|
|
nooneofconsequence posted:First one was too young for them to sex up, second one wasn't sexy enough(?). yeah it was this. and it was super gross, since there was absolutely NOTHING wrong with the original actress's performance other than she didn't get as 'hot' as the one who plays Selina so they traded her off for someone with cleavage. Literally the FIRST thing the new actress does is try to gently caress somebody in order to escape. In a production that makes SO. MANY. GOOD. choices with their characters, it was one giant glaring mis-step that sorta casts a shadow over the entire thing. bring back old gbs fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Jun 11, 2018 |
|
#
?
Jun 11, 2018 01:25
|
|
|
I thought it was because having a twelve year-old supervillain running around would just be weird. Though yeah, having a (mentally) underage character doing that kind of stuff is pretty hosed up.
|
|
#
?
Jun 11, 2018 01:30
|
|
|
And the first Ivy's name was Ivy Pepper, not Pamela Isley. You got literally bring in the new actress and say she's Poison Ivy. Or introduce her as young Ivy's sister. There was no reason for them to go the route they did, other than they didn't want to take the time to establish a new character. And they first Ivy and Selina had great chemistry together. It was a misstep to lose that.
|
|
#
?
Jun 11, 2018 01:41
|
|
|
Yeah, it was super weird that they went through all that effort with Ivy when they didn't have to and could have just brought in a new character.
|
|
#
?
Jun 11, 2018 01:49
|
|
|
Like, they made young handsome Penguin gay, they steered RIGHT into it and made him confess his love for The fuggin Riddler who scorns him, and this causes one of the major conflicts of the season. Just because Riddler likes a lady instead, and Penguin is an immature weirdo who can't deal. So loving great. I love Penguin. But then they dropped the ball so hard on the Ivy thing when there were other options. She was a homeless girl, have her older sister track her down. Simple as that, new character. bring back old gbs fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Jun 11, 2018 |
|
#
?
Jun 11, 2018 02:01
|
|
|
I kind of preferred it when you had the "kids" with their plotlines (Bruce, Selina, Ivy, and to a much lesser extend Jonathan Crane) and then the adult stuff centering around Jim Gordon. Provided a nice change of pace and it wasn't so jarring that you had these teenagers doing things like owning nightclubs and waltzing into GCPD on a weekly basis.
|
|
#
?
Jun 11, 2018 16:15
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 19, 2024 21:11 |
|
|
When I look at Gordon's face I for the first time understand when Billy West said every time he saw Nixon he pictured a werewolf going aroooo. Gordon's constant look of anger showing his lower set of teeth while having his face tilted down makes me think he's resisting the moon constantly, but he really just wants to go arooooo as well.
|
|
#
?
Jun 11, 2018 19:44
|
|