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Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

khwarezm posted:

To be honest I like this trailer a lot and CD Projekt has a good enough track record that I trust them more than Ubisoft not to balls this up. I also like seeing something cyberpunk showing off actual daylight for once.

I didn’t hate the trailer, but I didn’t love it either. The original made me want that game to exist right now, whereas this one felt more conventional.

I wasn’t hugely into the Witcher games though so my expectations were more leaning on “it’s a cyberpunk RPG that isn’t Deus Ex,” rather than it being by CDPR.

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Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

khwarezm posted:

To be honest I like this trailer a lot and CD Projekt has a good enough track record that I trust them more than Ubisoft not to balls this up. I also like seeing something cyberpunk showing off actual daylight for once.

this. the game will be good. they know how to make good stories and worlds.


Yardbomb posted:

This was exactly the kind of thing I was thinking of too, DOOM kills are like

-A swift kick in the kidney and then a crunchy punch in the neck
-Open palm grab one side of the head and push into a head popping punch
-Land on a guy and stomp their head down in one swoop
-Punch this floaty cyclopic demon through his eye

While God of War and similar get grossly masturbatory about watching every sinew in this gurgling for mercy character's neck tear while you wrench their head off oh god yes you can see their esophagus spill out and dangle mmm almost there. :yikes:

yeah. i prefer fast stuff to long brutal poo poo.

Garrand
Dec 28, 2012

Rhino, you did this to me!

I remember in the first Doom trailer the executions were slow and drawn out. I'm glad they listened and sped everything up.

TGLT
Aug 14, 2009

khwarezm posted:

To be honest I like this trailer a lot and CD Projekt has a good enough track record that I trust them more than Ubisoft not to balls this up. I also like seeing something cyberpunk showing off actual daylight for once.

Same. The first trailer was a pretty lady getting shot by the turbo-police, but like she's metal or something. This trailer at least pays some lip service to the punk part of the genre instead of just the aesthetics. The only part that really sticks out as being "like GTA but future" is the redneck couple in the big montage. But maybe they're handled well I dunno.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

TGLT posted:

Same. The first trailer was a pretty lady getting shot by the turbo-police, but like she's metal or something. This trailer at least pays some lip service to the punk part of the genre instead of just the aesthetics. The only part that really sticks out as being "like GTA but future" is the redneck couple in the big montage. But maybe they're handled well I dunno.

i mean i can see why someone could see GTA but it didnt seem that GTA to me. i liked all the weird stuff like the robo jaw lady. the dude brain frying the confrence dude. it felt like cyberpunk mixed with dredd. which looks amazing. if this were someone else id be worried but cdproject red knows how to handle and write good stuff. plus cyber rednecks are cool.

Philippe
Aug 9, 2013

(she/her)

I think Jim Sterling is going crazy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY37GbE_tYc

Max Wilco
Jan 23, 2012

I'm just trying to go through life without looking stupid.

It's not working out too well...

khwarezm posted:

Hardly, the Doom community regularly farts out people like BrutalDoom creator Sergeant Mark IV and produces things like this from other creeps:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijOcKQoi_EM

These kinds of insular fan communities always get loving weird.

Yeah, but I think a large portion of the Doom community dislikes BrutalDoom, and knows how terrible Sgt. Mark IV is.

It's why this article annoys me so much.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Bennett looks at Teen Titans: Trouble in Tokyo.

So he's doing another Not Quite Anime Month. Next episode is Swat Cats, and I'm hoping that his third episode will look at Cybersix.

Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Jun 11, 2018

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Max Wilco posted:

Yeah, but I think a large portion of the Doom community dislikes BrutalDoom, and knows how terrible Sgt. Mark IV is.

It's why this article annoys me so much.

yeah. its just sorta fun mod thats overhyped with shithead designer. it sucks. plus why play that when you can play nu doom which is loving amazing.

A Gnarlacious Bro
Apr 25, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Brutal doom ruined the Doom scene for a few years until the backlash corralled it into it's own corner. "Iron Sights" and extremely annoying memes are not why I like doom.

khwarezm
Oct 26, 2010

Deal with it.

Max Wilco posted:

Yeah, but I think a large portion of the Doom community dislikes BrutalDoom, and knows how terrible Sgt. Mark IV is.

It's why this article annoys me so much.

There's tons of deeply unpleasant 4chanesque 'ironic' racism and similar garbage in the Doom modding community. Here's another, exceptionally awful example.

I'm not saying it totally dominates it, certainly tons of mods and their creators are perfectly cool, but being one of the few people who's engaged with both the Doom and Steven Universe fandoms one really isn't better than the other and at least with SU that kind of edgy alt-right crap is almost unheard of while most of the real garbage gets concentrated in somewhere like Tumblr and places like here or even Reddit are much more chill and keep a wide berth from the serious nutjobs in that community.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

khwarezm posted:

There's tons of deeply unpleasant 4chanesque 'ironic' racism and similar garbage in the Doom modding community. Here's another, exceptionally awful example.

I'm not saying it totally dominates it, certainly tons of mods and their creators are perfectly cool, but being one of the few people who's engaged with both the Doom and Steven Universe fandoms one really isn't better than the other and at least with SU most of the real garbage gets concentrated in somewhere like Tumblr while places like here or even Reddit are much more chill and keep a wide berth from the serious nutjobs in that community.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijOcKQoi_EM

well i just remembered how awful this was. yeah doom community is hosed up

also that Italian mod.

Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Jun 11, 2018

DoubleCakes
Jan 14, 2015

The day is long and the sun is shining bright and Anthony Fantano has given an album a 10 out of 10.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Bakeneko posted:

Well, yeah. It’s based on a tabletop game from the 80s so of course it’s going to look like an 80s retro-future, and of course elements of the genre that were once new are going to seem generic after all this time. The real question is whether they’ll be able to take this stock setting and tell an interesting story in it, and CDPR have an excellent track record in that regard.

I think it's less what's being said than who's saying it.


Is he? Or is his the sane response to an unraveling world? :kheldragar:

Max Wilco
Jan 23, 2012

I'm just trying to go through life without looking stupid.

It's not working out too well...

Absurd Alhazred posted:

I think it's less what's being said than who's saying it.

https://twitter.com/jesawyer/status/1006042651169177600
https://twitter.com/Haitch_Kay/status/1006043175910330369

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Gibson might have codified cyberpunk but he sure doesn't own it. Still, this seems like a dumb thing to get annoyed at, so I'm glad Ropekid is being cool if Gibson is being a curmudgeon.

TGLT
Aug 14, 2009

Absurd Alhazred posted:

I think it's less what's being said than who's saying it.

Nothing as punk as caring about an authority figure's opinion. Dude also doesn't like Shadowrun.

Dapper_Swindler posted:

i mean i can see why someone could see GTA but it didnt seem that GTA to me. i liked all the weird stuff like the robo jaw lady. the dude brain frying the confrence dude. it felt like cyberpunk mixed with dredd. which looks amazing. if this were someone else id be worried but cdproject red knows how to handle and write good stuff. plus cyber rednecks are cool.

Still, it's the bit that looks like it could easily swerve into "ha ha look at these impoverished idiots!!" and cheap stereotypes.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

Jokatgulm is tedium.
Jokatgulm is pain.
Jokatgulm is suffering.

TGLT posted:

Nothing as punk as caring about an authority figure's opinion. Dude also doesn't like Shadowrun.

IIRC it's mostly that he doesn't like elves and people repeatedly going " hey hey look they made a game based on your stuff" when he has had nothing to do with Shadowrun and doesn't really care about it.


Dapper_Swindler posted:

i mean i can see why someone could see GTA but it didnt seem that GTA to me. i liked all the weird stuff like the robo jaw lady. the dude brain frying the confrence dude. it felt like cyberpunk mixed with dredd. which looks amazing. if this were someone else id be worried but cdproject red knows how to handle and write good stuff. plus cyber rednecks are cool.

Speaking of the trailer the jaw lady and brain frying is pretty standard cyberpunk stuff, It's still really cool but it shows up pretty often.

Honestly if I had only seen this trailer and knew nothing of CDPR or Pondsmith I too would probably think it looks pretty much like a GTA with a 80's/cyberpunk paint. That I feel is the thing about the tweets form others as well, they bring up their trust in the developers/series but Gibson only mentioned the trailer and seriously trailers not being representative is still pretty common. And really unless you are really into something most people are only going to be exposed to trailers, they aren't going to dig into the behind the scenes stuff.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
If you want Gibson style neon cyberpunk go play Blood Dragon or wait for Wolfenstein Youngblood to come out.

Scorched Spitz
Dec 12, 2011

TGLT posted:

Nothing as punk as caring about an authority figure's opinion. Dude also doesn't like Shadowrun.


Still, it's the bit that looks like it could easily swerve into "ha ha look at these impoverished idiots!!" and cheap stereotypes.

I haven't played the Witcher series, but I still think I'd trust CDPR's writers more than the Houser brothers.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Scorched Spitz posted:

I haven't played the Witcher series, but I still think I'd trust CDPR's writers more than the Houser brothers.

I like the RDR writing(i dont mind GTA but its a mixed bag and gets overly pretentious at times) but yeah CDPR is much better writing, though a somewhat different style.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
I just thought it was funny that Gibson had a take on it.

He's not all that curmudgeony in general, he was pretty chill at his book reading I went to a few years ago, and overall doesn't post about "damned cyberpunk these days".

EndOfTheWorld
Jul 22, 2004

I'm an excellent critic! I automatically know when someone's done a bad job. Before you ask, yes it's a mixed blessing.
Cybernetic Crumb
Cyberpunk 2077 looks good I'm just hoping we aren't saddled with a largely white, straight cast. Netrunner (the cyberpunk card game sold, until recently, by Fantasy Flight Games) made a point of giving players a lot of front-facing queer and minority characters. So it'd be nice to have a future that looks a little more like, well, the future.

Game looks good but my other main fear about it is that it'll just be Watch Dogs with A E S T H E T I C

Catgirl Al Capone
Dec 15, 2007

I think that people may be understandably weary and cynical about how pop culture treats cyberpunk after Cage let out his steamy coil over the genre.

Goa Tse-tung
Feb 11, 2008

;3

Yams Fan
ropekid is right that the visuals match the paper rpg perfectly, but the spoken words (and imo the "protagonist") don't imo

where was the oppressive nature of corporations (no mention of Militech or Arasaka!)

Yardbomb
Jul 11, 2011

What's with the eh... bretonnian dance, sir?

CYBEReris posted:

I think that people may be understandably weary and cynical about how pop culture treats cyberpunk after Cage let out his steamy coil over the genre.

Cage's game was fine, if anything the bigger disappointment will probably still be that one game I forget the name of now, where it all looked really good visually and sounded cool when they first showed it off, then the dev started slipping about how it was this broke down, bleak future because of the evils of socialism or something of that vein and then got exposed as a weirdo some other way and it all got real :yikes:

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?

Yardbomb posted:

Cage's game was fine, if anything the bigger disappointment will probably still be that one game I forget the name of now, where it all looked really good visually and sounded cool when they first showed it off, then the dev started slipping about how it was this broke down, bleak future because of the evils of socialism or something of that vein and then got exposed as a weirdo some other way and it all got real :yikes:

The Last Night, IIRC.

Yardbomb
Jul 11, 2011

What's with the eh... bretonnian dance, sir?

DoctorWhat posted:

The Last Night, IIRC.

Ahahaha yeah that's sure the one.

"Tim Soret said that while The Last Night has themes that others see as right-wing, such as criticizing the concept of Universal Basic Income, his goal with the game is not to be critical of these elements, but only to describe a world that took a certain trajectory to implement these elements, for better or worse, and explore the new problems that were introduced. Soret compared this approach to the movies Gattaca and Wall-E, neither of which he felt politicized the situation and further supported the belief that the tweets had been overblown by a few people trying to create a controversy to benefit themselves."

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

"I want to explore the objective, theoretical possibilities of universal basic income, like every single human being on earth losing their creative drive. that's just scientifically proven what will happen."

Catgirl Al Capone
Dec 15, 2007

Legitimate concerns about UBI: "neoliberals will construct the system cynically so they can cut necessary benefits i.e. disability"
Tim Soret's concerns about UBI: "everyone will be lazy, entitled millenial SJWs"

Kim Justice
Jan 29, 2007

Still looking forward to that game, it was Flashback only with crazily beautiful graphics

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

I think this guy is confusing socialism with capitalism. But I'm sure he's just an idiot who is subscribed to objectivism without actually knowing how Ayn Rand lived her twilight years.

UBI, single-payer and tuition-free college are only good things. If these clowns thought of it as an investment in the population, they wouldn't produce such misguided nonsense.

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

Yardbomb posted:

Cage's game was fine, if anything the bigger disappointment will probably still be that one game I forget the name of now, where it all looked really good visually and sounded cool when they first showed it off, then the dev started slipping about how it was this broke down, bleak future because of the evils of socialism or something of that vein and then got exposed as a weirdo some other way and it all got real :yikes:

I swear there was some weird flavour of sexist dogma in there for extra pants-on-head seasoning as well, wasn't there?

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

I know nothing about this guy, yet that quote tells me everything about this guy.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

CYBEReris posted:

Legitimate concerns about UBI: "neoliberals will construct the system cynically so they can cut necessary benefits i.e. disability"
Tim Soret's concerns about UBI: "everyone will be lazy, entitled millenial SJWs"

pretty much. There are critiques of UBI that revolve around 'if we put it in a capitalist system capitalism is gonna do its thing and gut other programs while saying UBI should be enough and we need to be very careful of that'.

The angle of 'WHAT ABOUT THE NOBILITY OF WORK????" is not a valid issue because it's literally only ever said by losers like Biden and the Dirty Jobs guy who have never actually worked in their lives

FoldableHuman
Mar 26, 2017

Neddy Seagoon posted:

I swear there was some weird flavour of sexist dogma in there for extra pants-on-head seasoning as well, wasn't there?

Yeah, that was The Last Night. The lead dev, Tim Soret, was a GamerGate chud who was writing summaries like "[my game] takes place in a cyberpunk world where modern feminism won instead of egalitarianism." The original conceptualization of the whole artificial womb element in the game was bog standard traditionalist dogwhistles about how lack of "Eve's suffering" style motherhood leads to "degeneracy" in women blah blah slippery slope end of civilization. Soret has walked back a lot of what he said in 2014, but its clear from his more recent interviews that he's basically just evolved from full on "feminism is cancer" chud to mere "do we really need feminism?" sexist tech douche.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

CYBEReris posted:

Legitimate concerns about UBI: "neoliberals will construct the system cynically so they can cut necessary benefits i.e. disability"
Tim Soret's concerns about UBI: "everyone will be lazy, entitled millenial SJWs"

I remember this rear end in a top hat, his game was that dumb sprite thing that people liked until they discovered he was chud dickhead. His game looked like poo poo and generic as gently caress so good riddance to bad garbage.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

FoldableHuman posted:

Yeah, that was The Last Night. The lead dev, Tim Soret, was a GamerGate chud who was writing summaries like "[my game] takes place in a cyberpunk world where modern feminism won instead of egalitarianism." The original conceptualization of the whole artificial womb element in the game was bog standard traditionalist dogwhistles about how lack of "Eve's suffering" style motherhood leads to "degeneracy" in women blah blah slippery slope end of civilization. Soret has walked back a lot of what he said in 2014, but its clear from his more recent interviews that he's basically just evolved from full on "feminism is cancer" chud to mere "do we really need feminism?" sexist tech douche.

That’s loving dumb as hell. You could make a interesting game about comidification of values to sell stuff and how that replaces different values and co opts progressive ideas to sell poo poo but lol at this dumb /pol/ gilded age poo poo which is basically “women don’t suck my dick won’t bear muh seed”. Personally i can’t wait for the chuds to start screeching about the new assassins creed.

Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Jun 12, 2018

Zedd
Jul 6, 2009

I mean, who would have noticed another madman around here?



Chuds will complain what they want. Corporate pandering during pride month is certainly a thing, but it's not a bad thing.

https://twitter.com/leighformayor/status/1006344096443535364

Zedd fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Jun 12, 2018

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Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Zedd posted:

Chuds will complain what they want. Corporate pandering during pride month is certainly a thing, but it's not a bad thing.

https://twitter.com/leighformayor/status/1006344096443535364
Yeah plus you can play as a pansexual spartan merc(boy or girl) in the new rear end creed.

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