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The significance is that Star Wars is now eating and making GBS threads itself in an endless cycle until it's no longer profitable.
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It is already no longer profitable.
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Jun 13, 2018 17:13
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Wheat Loaf posted:It is already no longer profitable. It's one movie. Episode IX will likely be fine. Plus all of the things non-movie but still Star Wars related making still extremely profitable.
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Jun 13, 2018 17:19
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thrawn527 posted:It's one movie. Episode IX will likely be fine. Plus all of the things non-movie but still Star Wars related making still extremely profitable. Have there been any tedious, alarmist thinkpieces about how Toys R Us going under impacts Star Wars merchandise? 
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Jun 13, 2018 17:34
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Neo Rasa posted:Was there ever any old EU thing where they have some super important significance or something? Ironically, they're like the one background detail the old EU didn't obsessively fixate on.
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Jun 13, 2018 17:52
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Neo Rasa posted:I'm hearing this a lot and yeah, I don't get why the dice are suddenly important. Welcome to franchise film making. Disney wants to place emphasise on objects over characters. It's why the Falcoln is being worshipped in promotional material and has been given a backstory that it's hundreds of years old. Its why Luke's saber has been made more important than it ever was. Objects can appear in film after film after film.
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Jun 13, 2018 18:02
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Wheat Loaf posted:Have there been any tedious, alarmist thinkpieces about how Toys R Us going under impacts Star Wars merchandise? Not quite what you are asking for but there are writeups about how kids are less into toys and more into swipin on the ipad and how toys r us folding is a reflection of that
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Jun 13, 2018 18:07
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PriorMarcus posted:Welcome to franchise film making. I mean, you're right there's more of an emphasis now, but this isn't entirely new to the Disney era. Take your Falcon example... 
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Jun 13, 2018 18:23
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Neo Rasa posted:I'm hearing this a lot and yeah, I don't get why the dice are suddenly important. I suppose they could have gone with the idea that Han won the falcon in a dice game and kept the dice, but that would have made sense and that's not what the filmmakers are going for these days.
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Jun 13, 2018 19:16
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Ingmar terdman posted:Not quite what you are asking for but there are writeups about how kids are less into toys and more into swipin on the ipad and how toys r us folding is a reflection of that This is actually a lie; Toys R Us wasn’t “profitable” despite being the number one toy retailer in the country because Bain Capital took out massive billion dollar loans to buy it out then saddled the company with the massive debt they could never pay off. Same reason KB Toys went under. Classic vulture capitalism. Anyway, Star Wars toys have always been mass produced to the point of worthlessness. You can still go into some toy stores and find mint on card Episode 1 Jar Jars. After Episode I and II you could buy the leftovers on steep discount. It’s why I think those YouTube people who claim Star Wars toys don’t sell anymore are full of poo poo. By the way, that’s a YouTube genre now; going to stores and pointing to peg warmers like they haven’t always been there. Click one video criticizing The Last Jedi and YouTube will try to send you down a delusional alt-right rabbit hole.
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Jun 13, 2018 19:34
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I believe I mentioned previously, I'm not surprised that the alt-right wankers don't like TLJ but I've been very surprised to discover recently that there's a small but annoying coterie of right-wing trolls who go on about how great DC movies are and how much they hate Marvel, and I just don't get it because it's not like the DC movies agree with them (and there's probably some amusing arguments about how Marvel movies don't necessarily disagree).
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Jun 13, 2018 19:36
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I honestly think this is the only place I've seen people defend the DC movies.
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Jun 13, 2018 19:53
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The DC movies get talked about a lot on the Internet but I think most normal people have the same attitude to, say, Batman v Superman, as they did to The Last Jedi, i.e. "It was fine. Might go to the next one. Well, time to get on with my life." You know, I assume most people have better things to do than come on Internet forums and either whinge or gush about how terrible or brilliant nerd movies are.
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Jun 13, 2018 20:06
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SolarFire2 posted:Saw Solo finally. Thought it was alright, but the focus in this film, and Last Jedi, on those dice is very very strange. The dice are in one shot in A New Hope and never show up again, and these two movies treat them like they're a central linchpin of Han's character.  From the 90s CCG.
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Jun 13, 2018 20:14
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So far the Sequel Trilogy has felt like the Hobbit movies. I watched the first one because I liked the earlier movies, I watched the 2nd one because I wanted to see where the story was going, but I skipped the 3rd one and I've got the same feeling about Episode IX. Nothing in TLJ is enticing me to see where the story goes next.
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Jun 13, 2018 20:21
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SimonCat posted:I watched the first one because I liked the earlier movies, I watched the 2nd one because I wanted to see where the story was going, but I skipped the 3rd one and I've got the same feeling about Episode IX. Nothing in TLJ is enticing me to see where the story goes next. poo poo, I hate the whole "mystery box" conceit JJ Abrams loves so much - it's a cheap and lazy gimmick that expresses a fair amount of contempt for the audience - and thought it was hilarious that the guy hired to make the follow-up went out of his way to dynamite all Abrams' precious mystery boxes, but that still doesn't make me want to rush out and buy TLJ.
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Jun 13, 2018 21:01
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SimonCat posted:So far the Sequel Trilogy has felt like the Hobbit movies. I watched the first one because I liked the earlier movies, I watched the 2nd one because I wanted to see where the story was going, but I skipped the 3rd one and I've got the same feeling about Episode IX. Nothing in TLJ is enticing me to see where the story goes next. I have no idea how Episode IX is going to go, and I disagree with you about TLJ, but I just wanted to say you made the 100% right call skipping the third Hobbit movie. That was hot garbage, and I really regret bothering (and I just watched it at home, for free on one of the movie channels).
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Jun 13, 2018 21:10
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They skip most of the third movie in the book too
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Jun 13, 2018 23:28
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I feel like the PT told an engaging story with some lovely film-making whereas, so far, the ST has been telling a completely uninteresting story through films that are mostly watchable.
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Jun 13, 2018 23:39
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All the Star Wars movies are much of a muchness for me.
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Jun 13, 2018 23:53
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Wheat Loaf posted:It is already no longer profitable. Star Wars isn't a movie, it's a brand. And to clarify, profitability for shareholders and executives is not just a single instance of failure like Solo, but takes into consideration its future earning potential. Their current process allows them to churn out films at an absurd pace using interchangeable creative pieces. This process is more valuable than anything.
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Jun 14, 2018 01:36
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The only mistake tlj made was not realizing kylo ren is the first compelling character in star wars history and not excising everything but Rey, Luke and kylo
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Jun 14, 2018 02:06
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KVeezy3 posted:Star Wars isn't a movie, it's a brand. And to clarify, profitability for shareholders and executives is not just a single instance of failure like Solo, but takes into consideration its future earning potential. Their current process allows them to churn out films at an absurd pace using interchangeable creative pieces. This process is more valuable than anything. Wheat Loaf posted:All the Star Wars movies are much of a muchness for me. Then the Emperor has already won...
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Jun 14, 2018 02:14
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Payndz posted:I haven't even seen TLJ yet, but I now know enough about it also to know that I don't really care whether I eventually do or not. I think a big issue is that, for better or worse, the pre-Disney movies were all the vision of one man, who was trying to tell the one big story he had in his head for decades. The sequels and spinoffs are written by a bunch of randos working to the requirements of a corporate group, and storytelling by committee is always going to be lacking. One guy writes one episode, another writes something completely different the next: it's not a saga, just a bunch of stuff happening. This reminds me of what happened to once-hit TV series Heroes. The show completely destroyed itself because among other things the writers room was run on spite and self-pretension. Different writers would not like where so-and-so's character was heading and so would drastically retcon/contradict it the next time they got to be head writer on an episode. Then the other writer would get the lead position the episode after and revert what the other had done , and so it went back and forth. Maybe Rian Johnson wanted to do different stuff than J.J Abrams. But if thats the case you don't decide to take the second movie in a trilogy. More so, if your Lucasfilm you make sure your directors are on the same page and not throwing each others work in the trash when they're ostensibly trying to tell a single coherent narrative. It's going to get even worse come Episode IX when Abrams undo's all the changes to his stuff that Johnson made thus making the whole trilogy feel more like a playground spat than an epic three part story.
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Jun 14, 2018 08:05
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They needed a year break before writing episode 8 instead of writing the thing while 7 was in post production. It’s just not right. Although it worked thankfully.
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CelticPredator posted:They needed a year break before writing episode 8 instead of writing the thing while 7 was in post production. It’s just not right. "Worked".
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Jun 14, 2018 11:42
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The late additions in TLJ were among the most hated contents, so it “worked”.
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Jun 14, 2018 11:50
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chiasaur11 posted:"Worked". No quotation marks.
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Jun 14, 2018 12:27
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CelticPredator posted:No quotation marks. https://twitter.com/Dataracer117/status/996486979578662912 Shockingly CelticPredator is right.
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Jun 14, 2018 14:21
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https://twitter.com/Dataracer117/status/997679127510618112 Whoa, thanks Dataracer117 for blowing the lid off this controversy. The world will never be the same. edit: Taking a look at this guy's page, drat, it's like his personal mission to hate new Star Wars.
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Jun 14, 2018 14:38
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thrawn527 posted:https://twitter.com/Dataracer117/status/997679127510618112 Does that make the video invalid? Because hes saying he wants half the audience to hate his films and half to love it - and while the majority of people who saw TLJ probably thought "eh, it was good" he did seem to bring out the extreme ends of the spectrum. For the record I was kind of "eh" on the film up until Rose's dumb speech about protecting what you love rather than fighting what you hate.
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MrFlibble posted:Does that make the video invalid? Because hes saying he wants half the audience to hate his films and half to love it - and while the majority of people who saw TLJ probably thought "eh, it was good" he did seem to bring out the extreme ends of the spectrum. No, I'm just laughing at that guy for thinking he's some truthbringer in a world of lies. The video clip is basically Johnson saying he doesn't want to make light entertaining fluff designed to appeal to everyone. He wants to make bold choices that will likely divide people, because they'll strongly appeal to some people and strongly repel others. That's definitely what he accomplished, and I'm in the former camp. Like, I didn't need Rian telling me that. That was clear from the movie (and his infamous episode of Breaking Bad, The Fly, which I also loved). thrawn527 fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Jun 14, 2018 |
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MrFlibble posted:https://twitter.com/Dataracer117/status/996486979578662912 This is what RLM has done to people's brains.
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Jun 14, 2018 16:42
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:This is what RLM has done to people's brains. RLM wasn't all that harsh on TLJ
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galagazombie posted:This reminds me of what happened to once-hit TV series Heroes. The show completely destroyed itself because among other things the writers room was run on spite and self-pretension. Different writers would not like where so-and-so's character was heading and so would drastically retcon/contradict it the next time they got to be head writer on an episode. Then the other writer would get the lead position the episode after and revert what the other had done , and so it went back and forth. Maybe Rian Johnson wanted to do different stuff than J.J Abrams. But if thats the case you don't decide to take the second movie in a trilogy. More so, if your Lucasfilm you make sure your directors are on the same page and not throwing each others work in the trash when they're ostensibly trying to tell a single coherent narrative. It's going to get even worse come Episode IX when Abrams undo's all the changes to his stuff that Johnson made thus making the whole trilogy feel more like a playground spat than an epic three part story. Or maybe for your big predictable trilogy, you write all the poo poo out before you start filming the first one. Episode IX should have at least had a lengthy treatment with all major plot beats defined thoroughly before shooting began on Episode VII. They're clearly making this poo poo up as they go along to a degree even Lucas could only imagine, and it shows.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:This is what RLM has done to people's brains. RLM didn't exist in 2003...
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Jun 14, 2018 18:35
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:This is what RLM has done to people's brains. RLM was fine.
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Jun 14, 2018 18:37
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porfiria posted:RLM didn't exist in 2003... I'm referring to digging up quotes to prove that Star Wars is a conspiracy against its fans.
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Jun 14, 2018 18:49
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I'm referring to digging up quotes to prove that Star Wars is a conspiracy against its fans. RLM doesn't do this what are you talking about
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I'm referring to digging up quotes to prove that Star Wars is a conspiracy against its fans. I'm kidding. Honestly about half of all time great movies initially produce massive polarization (or worse) so it's not a bad goal. Not to say TLJ is a great movie but it's good to reach for the stars.
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