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The scientists also discovered that water is wet HAHAHA GET IT?! https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-05404-6 quote:Sexual harassment is pervasive throughout academic science in the United States, driving talented researchers out of the field and harming others’ careers, finds a report from the US National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine in Washington DC. The analysis concludes that policies to fight the problem are ineffective because they are set up to protect institutions, not victims — and that universities, funding agencies, scientific societies and other organizations must take stronger action... Unfortunately, I found this good article through a Bad Website (hackernews) which had some gems in the comments: quote:I read an article (semi) recently posted here where women and other minorities felt attacked on Stack Overflow because of their gender/color, even though they were (for all intents and purposes) anonymous! Could this be the case here as well - women interpreting something that's not sexual harassment as sexual harassment? Which leads to this gem: quote:I think you should hear more about the experiences of women and minorities. Harassment, intentional or unintentional, is far more the norm than you might think, SO aside (I haven’t seen that so I can’t comment). Here's another Big Thinker™: quote:Amongst the valid claims of real harassment there are always cases like this. It is difficult to classify though because of the emotionally charged nature of the topic. There is little to gain in doing so, and in some cases it's even discouraged.
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quote:I read an article (semi) recently posted here where women and other minorities felt attacked on Stack Overflow because of their gender/color, even though they were (for all intents and purposes) anonymous! Could this be the case here as well - women interpreting something that's not sexual harassment as sexual harassment? Counter-point https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmbN1g6x2ws&t=262s
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Jun 13, 2018 21:40
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I'm in engineering, and thankfully the people around my office are, at worst, a little socially awkward. No racism or sexism or any poo poo like that. A lot of my classmates are garbage people though and hold some horrible views on minorities and women in the field. I had a dude legitimately try to argue with me about how straight white men are being discriminated against and how women should always be subservient to their husbands and poo poo.
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Jun 13, 2018 22:06
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im a loving pig i eat slop and i stink frown upon me
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Jun 13, 2018 22:08
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I just took a huge poo poo all over my HEAD and CHEST and now you libs are telling me that GENDER isn't REAL!!!?!
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Jun 13, 2018 22:10
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sexual her rear end-mint!
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Jun 13, 2018 22:11
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Dangerous Minority posted:I'm in engineering... I had a dude legitimately try to argue with me about how straight white men are being discriminated against and how women should always be subservient to their husbands and poo poo. i wish i worked at google Caganer fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Jun 13, 2018 |
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Jun 13, 2018 22:14
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Chinatown posted:im a loving pig i eat slop and i stink
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Jun 13, 2018 22:17
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Who would of thought fields dominated by socially awkward old graybeards would be rife with harassment.
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Jun 13, 2018 22:20
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I remember my 5-person Neurobio class in grad school, taught by this Indian guy in his sixties. We had one girl in our class; he treated her like poo poo. He ignored her questions or brushed them off at best, and usually aimed his ire right at her on the days we weren't on our game as a class. In hindsight, that explains why the class only had 5 students enrolled in it. that's my anecdote, g*d bl*ss
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Jun 13, 2018 22:25
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Jun 13, 2018 22:26
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Hackernews is an even shittier reddit Most comments are just people trying to one up each other on what obscure coding method they use and how it's great for no reason at all and why won't management let them use their super loud keyboards
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Jun 13, 2018 22:33
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Wait..that's harassment? Poor bastard.
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Jun 13, 2018 23:05
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GBS is not an rss
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Jun 13, 2018 23:33
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No poo poo academia BLOWS
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Jun 13, 2018 23:35
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It is the worst place ever. God I get ptsd.
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Jun 13, 2018 23:36
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Why are male dominated fields always so poo poo but ones dominated by women chill and good(except the pay, lol)? Like if you're a man in child care or nursing the women will have your back and really go to bat for you, but on the flip side men will just be turds and blame women for everything.
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Jun 14, 2018 00:00
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Woden posted:Why are male dominated fields always so poo poo but ones dominated by women chill and good(except the pay, lol)? My wife's a nurse and, haha, uh, well Let's call it "cliquish"
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Jun 14, 2018 00:03
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Because women tend to be better at foregoing prestige for quality of life, which breeds contempt because they’re full of humble people who don’t make exploding space cars
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Jun 14, 2018 00:03
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Nursing is different, it’s for weird martyr people who love attention and need validation
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Jun 14, 2018 00:05
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Pick posted:Nursing is different, it’s for weird martyr people who love attention and need validation She works the night shift, that's more for people whose lives have not gone the way they would have liked and this was the most straightforward way to make a bunch of money
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Jun 14, 2018 00:07
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And vampires
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Jun 14, 2018 00:09
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Pick posted:Because women tend to be better at foregoing prestige for quality of life, which breeds contempt because they’re full of humble people who don’t make exploding space cars how do y’all sleep at night
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Jun 14, 2018 00:10
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Apparently there's a problem where male nurses essentially can't touch female addicts for fear of harassment complaints that immediately have to be taken seriously, with a full blown investigation and everything... which means the female nurses get to deal with that kind of manipulative, drug-seeking behavior a lot more while the male nurses take care of fat people or whatever
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Jun 14, 2018 00:13
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Fried Watermelon posted:Hackernews is an even shittier reddit They’ve set it up so you need an (ever increasing) amount of upvotes to vote in a weird form of gerrymandering that ensures the “old guard” (weird misogynistic bitcoin guys) control the conversation.
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Jun 14, 2018 00:15
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Murray Mantoinette posted:how do y’all sleep at night Dude women make for the best workplaces usually they have perspective
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Jun 14, 2018 00:15
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Pick posted:It is the worst place ever. God I get ptsd. sup fellow scarred by my grad school experience PhD dropout 
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Jun 14, 2018 00:16
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To be fair I wasn’t sexually abused 
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Jun 14, 2018 00:16
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nerds socially spurned throughout their emotional development growing up to not view them very well isn't too surprising. The people who were successful when they were younger tend to have a lot healthier relationships with women as an adults.
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Jun 14, 2018 00:18
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https://www.chronicle.com/article/Why-Female-Science/65922 this is a good blog but I don't think she posts anymore
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Jun 14, 2018 00:20
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ArbitraryC posted:nerds socially spurned throughout their emotional development growing up to not view them very well isn't too surprising. The people who were successful when they were younger tend to have a lot healthier relationships with women as an adults. Being bullied was good for me imho because it gave me empathy and made me very interested in social justice. Becoming a weird lolbertarian is a choice and being bullied is not an excuse Pick posted:Nursing is different, it’s for weird martyr people who love attention and need validation I have a few friends who did the math and did nurse practitioner programs rather than MDs because they’d wanted to be GPs and the cost of med school isn’t made up for by a GP salary They get really good work life balance and good pay w low debt but many don’t go this route because being a doctor is prestigious 
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Jun 14, 2018 00:21
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Caganer posted:Being bullied was good for me imho because it gave me empathy and made me very interested in social justice. Becoming a weird lolbertarian is a choice and being bullied is not an excuse I don't think bullying is a good solution at all really, what got my head out of my rear end was specifically people being nice to me that I would have figured were dumb/bad people just because they were outgoing.
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Our entire social structure teaches you that winning is the only thing that matters and if you don't win (ie make money and get prestige) you are not a man and have a small dick. It's not just something about men lol. Pick herself in another thread said "women should never marry down" without apparently realizing that society awards compromised morals with financial success and the most "well off" men are also the most apt to treat you like a piece of furniture. Our whole social fabric and labor system is inherently exploitative, alienating, and reduces human relationships to epeen measuring contests in short we should smash capitalism. COMRADES fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Jun 14, 2018 |
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Jun 14, 2018 00:27
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ArbitraryC posted:It's not really an excuse per se I just think it's sort of an obvious outcome. I was a depressed outcast that was probably going down that road when fortunately I had some friends help me reinvent myself in college and it was like night and day with my outlook and openness to other people. The reality is a lot of bright kids with a more of an aptitude towards stem things than social skills kinda get poo poo on in school and by the time their peers have grown past that they already feel so isolated it can be hard to dig back out of that hole. School is A students teaching B students to work for C students
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ArbitraryC posted:nerds socially spurned throughout their emotional development growing up to not view them very well isn't too surprising. The people who were successful when they were younger tend to have a lot healthier relationships with women as an adults. Eh, I think it's a common misconception that people who are scientists are maladjusted nerds, or vice versa. I would guess the reason that sexual harassment is rife in the sciences is because many of them, particularly physics and mathematics (and physics to a greater degree) are completely and utterly dominated by men in an institutional sense, and have been for more than 100 years, even continuing to be so after education became more open to women and. I would bet that the problem isn't nearly as prevalent within the fields of chemistry and biology where women are better represented. It's probably this imbalance that has contributed to creating a toxic environment more so than everyone being weird virgin nerds*, and it should also be stated that in physics at least it is also old men who dominate and not just men in general, make of that what you will. *This is not a defense of weird virgin nerds, I'm just kind of sick of that assumption that being a nerd makes you good at science, it simply isn't true at all. Most nerds utterly suck at science and are only really into it in a very superficial way through sci-fi and poo poo.
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COMRADES posted:
let’s not turn a thread about sexism into a thread where we weirdly call out one of GBS’s few female posters - I think you can make your point w/o it  Randarkman posted:Eh, I think it's a common misconception that people who are scientists are maladjusted nerds, or vice versa. I would guess the reason that sexual harassment is rife in the sciences is because many of them, particularly physics and mathematics (and physics to a greater degree) are completely and utterly dominated by men in an institutional sense, and have been for more than 100 years, even continuing to be so after education became more open to women and. I would bet that the problem isn't nearly as prevalent within the fields of chemistry and biology where women are better represented. It's probably this imbalance that has contributed to creating a toxic environment more so than everyone being weird virgin nerds*, and it should also be stated that in physics at least it is also old men who dominate and not just men in general, make of that what you will. Middle/lower class kids are maladjusted - upper class schools recognize being smart is useful. I met many “chad” looking athletic, smart guys in grad school - all usually from Connecticut or some poo poo
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Pick is being sexist in this very thread on some  and I don't think being a lady should protect her from being called on it in a very light way tbh.
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Randarkman posted:Eh, I think it's a common misconception that people who are scientists are maladjusted nerds, or vice versa. I would guess the reason that sexual harassment is rife in the sciences is because many of them, particularly physics and mathematics (and physics to a greater degree) are completely and utterly dominated by men in an institutional sense, and have been for more than 100 years, even continuing to be so after education became more open to women and. I would bet that the problem isn't nearly as prevalent within the fields of chemistry and biology where women are better represented. It's probably this imbalance that has contributed to creating a toxic environment more so than everyone being weird virgin nerds*, and it should also be stated that in physics at least it is also old men who dominate and not just men in general, make of that what you will. Scientists yeah but engineers and computer touchers it's pretty common. Not all nerds are actually smart of course because actually really smart people are a p small minority, most people are of course average regardless of their hobbies, but yeah you certainly can get bullied in public school for being good at math or whatever. I've tutored a middle schooler who was struggling in pre algebra and when it was clear he could actually do okay when he put forth the effort I asked him why he didn't just try more and he basically said verbatim that he didn't want to get picked on.
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COMRADES posted:Pick is being sexist in this very thread on some cool story bro, thanks for explaining that to me.
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