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succ posted:apparently the U.S. capital is in Alaska now The preview for next week says otherwise. Also it's insanely funny to me that the wife lays in bed while the Handmaids gives birth. Good lord they play mommy like little kids. E: rewatching this episode I think June is realizing she's going to have to leave the baby behind.
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Well, she just lost the nursing time, so has a lot less time now to figure out how to get herself and the baby away. She's covering all the bases trying to set up protection for the baby if it doesn't work out. Seems like she's going to try once more to make a break for it before the birth. Better to do it while she's still got the baby safe inside and less likely to get shot down ... :/ If she does try and subsequently gets caught again, I don't see how they'd let her live post- birth. It has to go differently this time, will be interesting to see how the show handles it.
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cocoavalley posted:If she does try and subsequently gets caught again, I don't see how they'd let her live post- birth. It has to go differently this time, will be interesting to see how the show handles it. Now that they brought back some characters, June can escape to Canada and they can keep characters in Gilead. "Well Mr. Waterford, we can't find her this time, so here's your new handmaid, Alexis Bleidel."
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veni veni veni posted:What makes you say that? The way she's asking Lydia and the cook lady to protect the baby and look after it. I dunno I get the feeling that she's realizing she won't be able to bring the baby.
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From the trailer: Soooooo I don’t think the commander’s surprise for June is going to be a nice one and I’m guessing it’s quite possibly because of Eden. Also FYI for non-Torontonians, the botanical garden they took Serena to is Allen Gardens, which terminally smells like piss and human excrement from years of homeless people using it as toilet. I prefer to think that the location choice was another move to dunk on the Waterfords.
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Matt Zerella posted:The way she's asking Lydia and the cook lady to protect the baby and look after it. I dunno I get the feeling that she's realizing she won't be able to bring the baby. Well that was the whole point of the entire episode until the end... The whole inner monologue at the end made it as clear as possible... she DID think the would have to leave the baby behind, until finding out that her husband and Moira are okay gave her some hope.
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DasNeonLicht posted:I think the scene with the American fed (what exactly was his job?) was my favorite. See this kind of stuff was the real cowardice that I disliked in the premise of the show. By portraying Gilead as another place rather than as an actual U.S.A. it becomes easier to disassociate with it. Yeah, it's made up from the ashes of a coup that happened in the U.S. but this episode showed that they still want you to think of the U.S. as this place that wouldn't go for this poo poo. Let's ask ourselves right now, if all the crazy right-wing conservative incel nutjobs took over this country in a military coup, is there any loving chance they'd rename the country? gently caress no, they wouldn't. Liberals are not the ones who plaster the American flag over all things. I did like the episode overall, however the letters being the things that did real damage is just dumb though when you have living people constantly fleeing the country who are actually there to put a face on the tragedy. It's like, let's imagine that all these foreign refugees who come to our country were telling the same story about an oppressive regime ruining their country, would a pile of letters telling people how awful it is there suddenly make their story more believable? I think my favorite part of the episode was Waterford complaining about the protestors as the country "not being able to control their own people". Well played on the week of yet more "shut protestors up" bullshit. I can't wait to see how they write Moss' character out of not being offed(pun intended) after she gives birth. The best storyline would be that she's taken out back and shot but before that, gets a moment with Bledel's character to pass the torch and ask her to get out and take Moss' kid with her. Then next season being about Bledel's character trying to figure out how to do that. Nick is dead for sure though.
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I don't get why the letters turned people against Gilead. I'm pretty sure Moira, and a lot of other refugees have told these stories already. So why did those letters tip the scale? Nick, you are a terrible husband. Start treating Eden as a human being, will you? Eden is doing her best under the circumstances, try being thankful for her efforts once in a while for a start.
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BattyKiara posted:I don't get why the letters turned people against Gilead. I'm pretty sure Moira, and a lot of other refugees have told these stories already. So why did those letters tip the scale? yeah the nick/eden storyline is understandably very gross but idk you know she's totally indoctrinated and potentially peeped at your light treason so at least fake piousness dude
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BattyKiara posted:I don't get why the letters turned people against Gilead. I'm pretty sure Moira, and a lot of other refugees have told these stories already. So why did those letters tip the scale? Volume and throughput maybe? Kind of like how the "casting couch" was an open secret and even a punchline but when a ton of women come out at once it turns up the heat and you actually have to make at least some men face consequences. quote:Nick, you are a terrible husband. Start treating Eden as a human being, will you? Eden is doing her best under the circumstances, try being thankful for her efforts once in a while for a start. Yeah. Doing the bare minimum boning of his child bride so not to be strung up by the system he's trying to mitigate his complicity in is good. But he doesn't gotta be mean to her. Like a "thanks" and a goodbye hug doesn't make what he's made to do worse.
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Jun 14, 2018 20:18
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Angrymantium posted:I never really feel like this show tries to get the viewer to sympathize with Serena so much as it explores how much someone like that would actually hate living in Gilead. She does something horrendous in just about every episode, so any fleeting moment of humanity for her character is tempered with a reminder thar she's basically evil right down to her core, just without the kind of power she thought she'd be wielding. The episode where she did writing work with June and it's "we could be colleagues" line was a callback to when the handmaids were reminiscing about the ice cream shop, and Serena talked about wondering if they were ever there at the same time...which was met with silence from the handmaids. pretty on point for how spineless the current #resist people are right now irl
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Kanine posted:pretty on point for how spineless the current #resist people are right now irl "We won't rest until a DEMOCRAT is in charge of Gilead. Then we'll assume everything is fine."
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BattyKiara posted:I don't get why the letters turned people against Gilead. I'm pretty sure Moira, and a lot of other refugees have told these stories already. So why did those letters tip the scale? yeah that was a "huh?" moment for me too. they have pictures and probably videos of mass executions, witness reports about how the handmaidens are tortured, raped and executed and probably a lot of other refugees that can tell horror stories about bodies hanging in the street, work/death camps and mass executions of gay people. but a stack of letters on the internet was way too much for the canadian government.
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Owlbear Camus posted:"We won't rest until a DEMOCRAT is in charge of Gilead. Then we'll assume everything is fine." hire :clap: more :clap: female :clap: armed :clap: guards The functioning of gilead and little details like them giving serena pictures to respect her culture are some of my favorite parts of this show
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Owlbear Camus posted:"We won't rest until a DEMOCRAT is in charge of Gilead. Then we'll assume everything is fine." 
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The House is too much of an important setting for the series, I doubt they will allow June to leave it. Probably circumstances will make her captors rethink sending her away, probably seeing all those free women in Canada will mellow them out or something.
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Just got caught up with this season after putting it off for a long time. What a drastic shift in quality there's been this season. The first four episodes were dismal and boring, since it was obvious from the beginning that June wasn't going to make it out, and none of the exposition of Gilead in those episodes was interesting. When the story isn't moving forward at a good pace in a compelling way, all the gloominess makes this show almost unwatchable. It was a serious slog to get through, but once it got to the mass wedding my attention was drawn in again. Now I'm back completely, even if the whole post-bombing plotline of June and Serena becoming best buds and then that other commander moving in was a little rushed. I really wish that they had had June re-captured in the second episode, made the bombing a few episodes earlier, and then given more time for actual interesting developments. At any rate, I'm glad that we have 13 episodes this season, but the first part of the season demonstrated that they're really going to have to shake things up if they want to do a third season and keep it interesting.
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Kanine posted:pretty on point for how spineless the current #resist people are right now irl Yeah that's what I mean, which is why I feel like the show is mocking centrists rather than esposuing the viewpoint that June and Serena really should work together or whatever. Edit: same with the gay professor that talked about his boyfriend calling him a fascist collaborator for just laying low and not fighting back, they hung him the next day. It's been weird going through this thread and seeing the show be described as "centrist" when this season is so explicitly saying that fascist forces in society will reshape society if they aren't stopped on early. Add that onto Waterford getting out of his limo and attacking the lying media and it's hard to imagine the parallels being any more blatant. Angrymantium fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Jun 15, 2018 |
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This is the kind of thinking we need to get there, right? "Jef Sessions cites bible to justify separating kids from their parents at the border" https://www.marketwatch.com/story/sessions-cites-bible-to-justify-separating-kids-from-parents-at-the-border-2018-06-14
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Angrymantium posted:I never really feel like this show tries to get the viewer to sympathize with Serena so much as it explores how much someone like that would actually hate living in Gilead. She does something horrendous in just about every episode, so any fleeting moment of humanity for her character is tempered with a reminder thar she's basically evil right down to her core, just without the kind of power she thought she'd be wielding. veni veni veni posted:That scene was awesome because Fred's coward remark was so nonsensical The nonsensical bit was, as others have pointed out, the letters making any kind of difference. PaybackJack posted:See this kind of stuff was the real cowardice that I disliked in the premise of the show. By portraying Gilead as another place rather than as an actual U.S.A. it becomes easier to disassociate with it. Yeah, it's made up from the ashes of a coup that happened in the U.S. but this episode showed that they still want you to think of the U.S. as this place that wouldn't go for this poo poo.
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Ahahaha at Serena being humiliated with that picture schedule and by her guide dunking on her. Being out in the real world and seeing grown ups again after such a long time seriously hosed her up. Her entire world looks like some lovely, sad LARP that went on for way to long in comparison  datajugend posted:yeah that was a "huh?" moment for me too. they have pictures and probably videos of mass executions, witness reports about how the handmaidens are tortured, raped and executed and probably a lot of other refugees that can tell horror stories about bodies hanging in the street, work/death camps and mass executions of gay people. Yeah, that part doesn't make much sense. I think every time the writers go off book they introduce some plot holes and inconsistencies like that. Another thing I noticed was that Gilead's most important asset in the book and S1 were the Handmaid's/fertile women. But since they introduced the plot point that the woman are actually fertile and it's just the men, the entire setting makes no sense. Something so obvious would be established by medical science almost immediately and would not lead to a massive population decline. Artificial insemination and sperm banks could deal with that. It make no sense.
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The letters could of worked if it was more time, like they showed it late one night Moira etc, looking at the letters and first thing the next morning theres nationwide protests like was the entire Canadian population awake in the middle of the night f5ing for some random letters?
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:Another thing I noticed was that Gilead's most important asset in the book and S1 were the Handmaid's/fertile women. But since they introduced the plot point that the woman are actually fertile and it's just the men, the entire setting makes no sense.
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Tiggum posted:Every other country should be doing better than Gilead is. If Gilead's most valuable resource is fertile women then Gilead has nothing. I always imagined that the infertility was caused by some environmental contamination (like xenoestrogens), something that developed countries have a lot less of thank to better regulation, enforcement and moving all dirty industry to developing countries. The rich countries in Europe or Asia might have some fertile women left too, but they are not exporting them by the pound in freight trains like Gilead does.
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It's also possible the American agent was gilding the lilly to get her to defect with a half or un-truth. Especially since Serena's personal infertility comes from a 360 noscope wombshot.
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Owlbear Camus posted:It's also possible the American agent was gilding the lilly to get her to defect with a half or un-truth. I want sereena to be trapped in gilead. She deserves no redemption.
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Matt Zerella posted:I want sereena to be trapped in gilead. She deserves no redemption. I'm hoping she gets shipped off to the colonies like Marisa Tomei was. She can put her gardening skills to good use!
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Crow Jane posted:I'm hoping she gets shipped off to the colonies like Marisa Tomei was. She can put her gardening skills to good use! I'm torn between this and seeing her hanging from the wall.
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Matt Zerella posted:I'm torn between this and seeing her hanging from the wall. Hanging's too quick for her. Plus Yvonne Strahovski is really, really good in the role, as much as I hate the character I'd still kind of miss her.
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The guy who was trying to help Serena get out of Gilead was a major hottie. I would have taken the opportunity ASAP.
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The scene where the guy offers to get Serena out of her abusive cult made me laugh a bit considering this is a show where the star is a Scientologist.
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PostNouveau posted:Elisabeth Moss being a Scientologist is so very disappointing. Arguably been great for her career though because whoever is picking her roles and adjusting scripts for her is doing some 90s-2000 Julia Roberts level work.
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If it makes it any better (it doesn't, really), she was born into Scientology, she didn't convert later in life like Tom Cruise or whoever.
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PostNouveau posted:Elisabeth Moss being a Scientologist is so very disappointing. Women should believe the same things I believe.
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Poppyseed Poundcake posted:Women should believe the same things I believe. People can believe in whatever weird religion they want to. Scientology isn't a religion, it's a cult which has demonstrably and provably hurt people and ruined their lives over such heinous offenses as "wanting to leave the church". Imagine using your low-effort troll in response to someone saying "It's so disappointing that Elizabeth Moss is a White Supremacist."
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Poppyseed Poundcake posted:Women should believe the same things I believe.  What?
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Poppyseed Poundcake posted:Women should believe the same things I believe. As a feminist I believe that Scientology is actually good because some Scientologists are women. I think that's how feminism works, right?
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