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Jun 15, 2018 16:37
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logikv9 posted:discovery goes back in time to discover the truth behind 9/11 It was JFK and
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Jun 15, 2018 16:54
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FlamingLiberal posted:What is it with Season 2 of a ST show and terrible writers' room environments? Was ds9 exempt from this? (Must've been, right?)
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Jun 15, 2018 17:33
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The Bloop posted:If Discovery gets axed for sucking there won't be TV trek again for another long time At this point this would be exactly as tragic as if they finally cancelled The Simpsons
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Jun 15, 2018 17:48
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Tighclops posted:At this point this would be exactly as tragic as if they finally cancelled The Simpsons No I want Star Trek forever. Unlike the Simpsons, it will be new crews doing somewhat new things every six years or so. We need what Trek should be
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Jun 15, 2018 18:26
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The Bloop posted:No I want Star Trek forever. Unlike the Simpsons, it will be new crews doing somewhat new things every six years or so. You fool nothing lasts forever
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Jun 15, 2018 18:43
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Tighclops posted:You fool I can still want it to
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Jun 15, 2018 19:12
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Star Trek suffers from the same disease as Star Wars. They have a sandbox as big as the universe itself to play in, yet they are afraid to deviate from a small handful of story elements.
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Jun 15, 2018 19:17
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We're lucky TNG and Roddenberry were bold enough to be different and stick with it
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Jun 15, 2018 19:20
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Alan_Shore posted:We're lucky TNG and Roddenberry were bold enough to be different and stick with it It was incredibly bold of them to copy a TOS script three episodes in.
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Jun 15, 2018 19:36
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It's super funny to me how both shows started with massive production issues that were ongoing through their second year and it's just like drat man how do you gently caress something like this up that badly come on Like in 20 years are we going to look back on Discovery's third season as this equally huge turning point for the series from our lovely future hovels like we do with TNG now or will it even make it that far because of what a shitpiece gong show it's been
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Jun 15, 2018 21:51
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Well right now the cast of characters seems weaker on Discovery, and the overarching "plot" is essentially nonexistent since season 1 ended the way it did. Fingers crossed, but I wouldn't bet a nickel against a dollar that Disco ends up even half as fondly remembered as TNG, even among trekkies
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Jun 15, 2018 23:04
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Hipster_Doofus posted:Was ds9 exempt from this? (Must've been, right?)
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Jun 15, 2018 23:21
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The Bloop posted:Well right now the cast of characters seems weaker on Discovery, and the overarching "plot" is essentially nonexistent since season 1 ended the way it did. It certainly won’t be half as well remembered (fondly or otherwise) because relative to TNG, nobody is watching it. CBS don’t release viewership numbers (lucky for them) but the total number of CBS All Access subscribers is apparently around 2 million. Even assuming every one of those people is watching STD, that’s less than a quarter of the amount of American households that watched TNG season 1. It’s even significantly less than the audience of late Enterprise.
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Jun 15, 2018 23:32
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skasion posted:It certainly won’t be half as well remembered (fondly or otherwise) because relative to TNG, nobody is watching it. CBS don’t release viewership numbers (lucky for them) but the total number of CBS All Access subscribers is apparently around 2 million. Even assuming every one of those people is watching STD, that’s less than a quarter of the amount of American households that watched TNG season 1. It’s even significantly less than the audience of late Enterprise. I wonder how (or if) they're attempting to count the pirates in their internal viewership numbers. The first few episodes, at least, were popular enough  that it made the news.https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/09/star-trek-discovery-is-getting-pirated-a-lot/
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Jun 15, 2018 23:35
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skasion posted:It certainly won’t be half as well remembered (fondly or otherwise) because relative to TNG, nobody is watching it. CBS don’t release viewership numbers (lucky for them) but the total number of CBS All Access subscribers is apparently around 2 million. Even assuming every one of those people is watching STD, that’s less than a quarter of the amount of American households that watched TNG season 1. It’s even significantly less than the audience of late Enterprise. Absolutely, which is why I made the trekkies allowance. I mean, even as a percentage of people who watched it. In absolute numbers it won't even touch people who fondly remember Voyager unless they move it off their dumb service
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Jun 15, 2018 23:45
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The Bloop posted:Absolutely, which is why I made the trekkies allowance. I mean, even as a percentage of people who watched it. oh they'll get desperate enough to start running the first season somewhere sane - maybe some sort of staggered release to whip up interest in the new season. it's already on netflix in other territories.
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Jun 16, 2018 00:07
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skasion posted:It certainly won’t be half as well remembered (fondly or otherwise) because relative to TNG, nobody is watching it. CBS don’t release viewership numbers (lucky for them) but the total number of CBS All Access subscribers is apparently around 2 million. Even assuming every one of those people is watching STD, that’s less than a quarter of the amount of American households that watched TNG season 1. It’s even significantly less than the audience of late Enterprise. The global audience might be bigger than before due to Netflix carrying it, though.
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Jun 16, 2018 00:24
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I've been saying all along that they could just run the drat thing on Showtime since it's a CBS network.
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Jun 16, 2018 01:00
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Big Mean Jerk posted:It was incredibly bold of them to copy a TOS script three episodes in. That's now what I meant, you big mean jerk! I was clearly talking about having all the drama come externally, as Roddenberry was adamant that humanity had evolved by then to be over petty differences. It made then more creative when coming up with stories as it was a total ballache to write around. It's also why people remember TNG fondly and why watching it makes you feel at home, and welcome and optimistic. Look at Discovery. Bag of dicks, everyone hates each other. gently caress that. Lazy writing.
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Jun 16, 2018 18:49
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The problems with this show are apparent from just watching it, but I've been mostly entertained. And I don't really get the kneejerk need to keep hoping this show fails or something.
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Jun 16, 2018 20:00
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Echo Chamber posted:The problems with this show are apparent from just watching it, but I've been mostly entertained. And I don't really get the kneejerk need to keep hoping this show fails or something. I'm a *touch* jaded after years of consistently lovely entries in the franchise. However, from my perspective, the show is an utterly soulless cash in that hides behind continuity references to fondly remembered things and characters and a very thin veneer of paying lip service to some sort of progressive/"star trekky" ideals in order to cover up that they're bringing nothing new to the table. Add the constant behind the scenes shitstorm clusterfuck, and the fact that they've been upstaged by more than one contemporary sci fi show in every regard, and the whole thing comes off like a miserably unfunny joke that won't stop trying to hit it's punchline. The goon in me still sees value in laughing at this, because I'm tasteless I guess. Just it's just I mean https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcZzlPGnKdU gently caress I don't care that TNG miraculously got better almost three decades ago in a totally different environment anymore, you know? Just put it down and stop trying to beat a dead horse.
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Jun 16, 2018 21:48
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Alan_Shore posted:That's now what I meant, you big mean jerk! I was clearly talking about having all the drama come externally, as Roddenberry was adamant that humanity had evolved by then to be over petty differences. It made then more creative when coming up with stories as it was a total ballache to write around. It's ironic that he felt that way given what a jerk he was to some of the women on the team when he was alive. Also if anything the crew of TNG especially early on was pretty bland, and some of the best episodes come from interpersonal conflict. Like Wesley learning what the first duty of every starfleet officer is. Or Barkley and his ... social issues.
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Jun 16, 2018 22:29
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Alan_Shore posted:That's now what I meant, you big mean jerk! I was clearly talking about having all the drama come externally, as Roddenberry was adamant that humanity had evolved by then to be over petty differences. It made then more creative when coming up with stories as it was a total ballache to write around. Those are two extremes though, there’s definitely a happy medium and it’s called DS9. Hamstringing your writers by enforcing a “no internal conflict” rule is an extremely dumb move. I don’t care how altruistic the intent may have been, it’s extremely tough to generate drama without some kind of personality conflict. Your characters just end up as bland doormats. Of course, Discovery went the polar opposite for the first half of the season and it was extremely rough. It was smoother in the back half, but still not great.
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Jun 16, 2018 22:52
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Yeah, I think it's worth repeating that "maybe it'll get better" isn't a good defense for this show. I've been entertained with what I got. That's it. That Mirror arc was fun. While they haven't figured out what to do with Burnham yet; Saru, Stamets, and Tilly were fine. And every moment we got with Lorca was fun; shame it ended so soon. And good that they ended the war arc when they did. Behind the scenes drama is pretty bad news, and I don't have high faith in Kurtzman even though he was probably the less bad half of the Kurtzman/Orci duo. But whatever. Maybe I'll stop watching if it actually turns bad, which might happen, but hasn't happened yet for me at least.
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Jun 16, 2018 22:56
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Hamstringing your writers by enforcing a “no internal conflict” rule is an extremely dumb move. I don’t care how altruistic the intent may have been, it’s extremely tough to generate drama without some kind of personality conflict. Your characters just end up as bland doormats. It's an admirable and unique creative restraint, even if it's impractical to pull off to a T in the long haul. I like it as the ideal target to try to hit before resorting to conflict as usual. Like, yeah, you're going to have to have some interpersonal conflict eventually, but maybe let's do our best to see how else we can generate a story before going straight to that well.
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Jun 16, 2018 23:26
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Echo Chamber posted:The problems with this show are apparent from just watching it, but I've been mostly entertained. And I don't really get the kneejerk need to keep hoping this show fails or something. Like 90% of SA is 'lol look at this it sucks' so why are you surprised that people are entertained by STD making GBS threads itself?
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Jun 17, 2018 00:40
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I rewatched the pilot this morning after having seen the whole series, and I think what sticks out to me the most is that there's no reason at all for this to be a prequel. The stuff with the Klingons? Not hard at all to imagine the Klingon Empire being in collapse a few years after DS9 and VOY. Take Ezri's speech to Worf about the blatant hypocrisy and political corruption in the Empire. Add to the corrupt trainwreck that's the Empire's leadership the new Chancellor Martok, a commoner, and the reforms he'd undoubtedly try to institute. He'd probably be popular with the commoners but the nobility that rules the Empire would hate him. Add to that how the Klingon Defense Force was probably bled to the bone by the Dominion War, both unable to maintain order within the Empire and probably forced to draft civilians. Add a backlash from the non-warrior parts of Klingon society against the primacy and blatant hypocrisy and corruption of the warrior caste, and say that five years after the end of the Dominion War, the Klingon Empire is collapsing and splintering amidst rebelling nobles, military warlords, and popular uprisings. All the stuff about the divided Great Houses in STD could easily be applied to the fragmenting Klingon states, and especially if some Klingon worlds are turning to the Federation (or even other powers like the Romulans or Tholians) for safety and aid, not at all hard to imagine a sect of hardline isolationist religious fanatics trying to seize power and reunite the Empire by faith. Michael as Spock's secret adopted sister? Just make her outright half-Vulcan and Spock's legit little sister, say that Sarek may be old but he's still a man of vigor (he did remarry after the death of Spock's mother, remember) and Michael happens to favor her human genetics. The Vulcan terrorists? Say it's a Vulcan separatist movement in the wake of the Dominion War that thinks Vulcan is better off on its own. Lorca? In the wake of the war, Starfleet is hard-pressed for experienced captains, even men who in better times wouldn't be considered for command, and they're given a lot more leeway in how they run their ships than normal. Saru's species? New race brought into the Federation. Spore drive stuff? Brand new discovery, maybe tie the magic mushrooms into that Warp 10 salamander stuff or even fluidic space from Voyager - the tardigrade would certainly fit as something from Species 8472's neck of the woods.
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Jun 28, 2018 15:30
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At the Saturn Awards, Discovery won best streaming series and Sonequa Martin-Green won for best actress.  https://trekmovie.com/2018/06/27/star-trek-discovery-wins-best-streaming-series-saturn-award-martin-green-wins-for-acting/
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Jun 28, 2018 15:48
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Cythereal posted:I rewatched the pilot this morning after having seen the whole series, and I think what sticks out to me the most is that there's no reason at all for this to be a prequel. They would have to change the mirror universe stuff though. The Terran empire was destroyed long before DS9. Though I suppose shroomdrive could tap into a different alternate universe, nothing says there can only be one.
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Jun 28, 2018 15:56
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Absolutely undeserved. Best new media? Best actress? Are you kidding me?
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Jun 28, 2018 15:57
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Alan_Shore posted:Absolutely undeserved. Best new media? Best actress? Are you kidding me? 
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Jun 28, 2018 16:02
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Facebook Aunt posted:They would have to change the mirror universe stuff though. The Terran empire was destroyed long before DS9. Though I suppose shroomdrive could tap into a different alternate universe, nothing says there can only be one. Solution: the Terran rebellion sparked at the end of the DS9 mirror universe stuff found their way through the wormhole, allied with the Dominion, and reconquered the Alpha Quadrant. Then probably backstabbed the Dominion. Make mirror Georgiou the equivalent of Dukat, except competent and who won.
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Jun 28, 2018 16:09
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Tiggum posted:She wasn't even the best actress on this show. Exactly! What the hell!
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Jun 28, 2018 16:39
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Tiggum posted:She wasn't even the best actress on this show.
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Jun 28, 2018 17:15
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I thought she was a good actress, it was just her character that didn't do much for me
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Jun 28, 2018 17:29
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Mary Wiseman is the most instantaneously likable Star Trek actress in like 25 years.
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Jun 28, 2018 17:47
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Facebook Aunt posted:They would have to change the mirror universe stuff though. The Terran empire was destroyed long before DS9. Though I suppose shroomdrive could tap into a different alternate universe, nothing says there can only be one. A new Terran Empire rose up after DS9. There. Easy.
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Jun 28, 2018 19:54
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HD DAD posted:Mary Wiseman is the most instantaneously likable Star Trek actress in like 25 years.
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Jun 28, 2018 19:59
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I hate alternate universes. If it's a one off joke episode in TNG it's fine but gently caress all other alternate universe poo poo.
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