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Johnny Truant posted:Poe and abuela are pretty much the only good things the writers came up with themselves. So, after Broken Angels, a whole bunch of Martian tech got disbursed to society. All the cyber stuff you see people getting implanted is adapted from Martian tech. The DeCom teams are all stuffed full of it, and the Command Head gets a whole bunch of extra that is mostly devoted to comms, network security, and coordination. Sylvie’s “hair” is a combo supercomputer and antenna. It wasn’t designed to take out the autonomous machines, but it turns out to be helpful. The wincefish are “point” specialists. Their implanted Martian tech and training tends toward threat detection, stealth, and surveillance. They’re the guys who go in and look for booby traps and hidden mechs and stuff. That’s why they have the rep of being both jittery and insane.
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navyjack posted:So, after Broken Angels, a whole bunch of Martian tech got disbursed to society. All the cyber stuff you see people getting implanted is adapted from Martian tech. The DeCom teams are all stuffed full of it, and the Command Head gets a whole bunch of extra that is mostly devoted to comms, network security, and coordination. Sylvie’s “hair” is a combo supercomputer and antenna. It wasn’t designed to take out the autonomous machines, but it turns out to be helpful.  thanks!I must've missed the Martian bit, but that all groks with the rest of the story. Are there any plans for more Takeshi Kovacs books? Homie does awesome world building.
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Originally, no, but supposedly working on getting the show to air gave him some ideas so maybe. His Land Fit For Heroes books are pretty good with lots of fantasy world building (and some cringey sex but whatever). And there is at least a tangential possible relation to the Altered Carbon books. The “Gods” might be people from Kovacs world after some weird Martian singularity or they might not be, just some odd coincidence of name and archetype
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I just got done watching this all the way through; I had no idea it was based on a book, but it makes alot of sense with how the pacing felt. Basically, I enjoyed it...kind of? Like at first Quell and the Envoys all seemed pretty badass...but then they weren't really? The Meth Murdery Mystery was interesting...until it was revealed to be not very? Anything that was set up in the show was much more interesting than the payoff, though it seemed like everyone was pretty into it, some cheesy lines, but the tone is all over the place. I'll probably watch more, and check out the books now.
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3rd book stuff: I've kind of slowed down on this because, uh, wow has all the sex been pretty rapey. Story had been pretty cool besides that but like, yeah, it was very off-prime the first time, and then the second time I was like 
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https://twitter.com/THR/status/1022874251974459392 I guess it'll air sometime late next year if they're only casting now.
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Huh, guess either it will be a new character or Kovacs is going to get a new body.
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Jul 27, 2018 19:35
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twistedmentat posted:Huh, guess either it will be a new character or Kovacs is going to get a new body. I'm guessing same character with a new sleeve, since they talked about ~shipping kovacs and quellchrist~, but it'd be cool if they just blew all that up and made it about some new badass.
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drunkill posted:https://twitter.com/THR/status/1022874251974459392 gently caress YES. Wouldn't this also be more in line with Kovacs' sleeve in "Broken Angels"?
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Young Freud posted:gently caress YES. Yes.
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twistedmentat posted:Huh, guess either it will be a new character or Kovacs is going to get a new body. It was guaranteed to be one of the two, we knew Joel Kinnaman wasn't coming back. But for this show they're free to re-cast Kovacs easily, or they could switch to somebody else.
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The article confirms he's playing Kovacs. A new co-showrunner's somewhat promising, except that Laeta Kalogridis is the one who penned the script so whether the new season's plot can be reigned in is anyone's guess. I'm still betting on full-blown trainwreck though, because Broken Angel's plot is a simple action story and there's a lot more potential leeway to pepper in god-knows-what than Altered Carbon's heavily-structured story. Also suddenly the badly-thought-out (and wholly unnecessary) anime head on Alita for the Alita: Battle Angel movie makes a sad kind of hamfisted sense, as I just learned Kalogridis is scriptwriting for that too... 
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Also suddenly the badly-thought-out (and wholly unnecessary) anime head on Alita for the Alita: Battle Angel movie makes a sad kind of hamfisted sense, as I just learned Kalogridis is scriptwriting for that too... lol if you think that wasn't James "make the cat people fuckable" Cameron
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:lol if you think that wasn't James "make the cat people fuckable" Cameron I'd say fifty-fifty odds, given James Cameron's been pushing for an Alita movie for over 20 years now. Plus, given how big a fan of Battle Angel Alita he is, he should surely know the difference between character design and art aesthetic. But I wouldn't be surprised either way really.
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I really hope they learn that no one liked the Quell stuff and don’t push it like they said they were going to, but I know that won’t happen.
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I really liked the setup and initial plot. But the fight scenes are so boring. And the iterations of "hero get beat up but saved at last minute by improbable effort" is pushing my suspension of disbelief. Just played the last episode but realised I did not pay attention to any of it. Just tuned out. Is it worth trying to effort-watch the last episode?
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Are the books worth reading? The show was ok... the premise is amazing but too much time was wasted on the cop drama stuff. Do the books focus more on the big picture and the setting itself?
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DropsySufferer posted:Are the books worth reading? The show was ok... the premise is amazing but too much time was wasted on the cop drama stuff. Do the books focus more on the big picture and the setting itself? Haven't read the books, but it sounds like they would be much more up your alley.
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DropsySufferer posted:Are the books worth reading? The show was ok... the premise is amazing but too much time was wasted on the cop drama stuff. Do the books focus more on the big picture and the setting itself? The book weaves the setting into the story a lot better, and expands on it well in the second and third books. And yes it's well worth a read. The series is VERY reductive in regard to its setting, and takes some wholly unnecessary efforts to simplify things that don't need it. Quell and her Envoys are a consolidation of Protectorate Envoys (they're the interstellar government's Big Stick, and most certainly aren't dead and gone), Kovacs' instructor as a recruit into the Envoys (merged with Quell), and the rebellion itself was just a 200-year-old piece of history on Harlan's World referred to as the Unsettlement. And Stacks aren't Quell's creation. Or
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DropsySufferer posted:Are the books worth reading? The show was ok... the premise is amazing but too much time was wasted on the cop drama stuff. Do the books focus more on the big picture and the setting itself? I've been selling it to my friends thusly: The books are some very clever, very angry sci-fi, hidden beneath a slick cyberpunk murder thriller. The show manages to just be a slick cyberpunk murder thriller. If any of the implications of Stack tech or their social consequences interested you in the slightest then you'll absolutely dig the hell out of the book.
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The books decrease in quality from the first one, and honestly I've stalled on the last one cause the sex is kind of rape-y. Still better story than the show, though.
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You or other persons have said the sex is “kind of rape-y” multiple times and I’d really like some clarification as to what that means. Is he loving bodies without stacks? Is it a digital torture scene like the one from the first book? Is Kovacs the one doing the rape stuff?
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Johnny Truant posted:The books decrease in quality from the first one, and honestly I've stalled on the last one cause the sex is kind of rape-y. Is Richard Morgan capable of writing decent sex scenes? I've only read The Steel Remains, but there's some incredibly weird stuff there. Impossible (or at least, deeply uncomfortable) contortions, the phrase "nipples like rope ends" and yes, weird rapey stuff. I appreciate that the book was depicting a lot of queer sexuality, but...
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Bust Rodd posted:You or other persons have said the sex is “kind of rape-y” multiple times and I’d really like some clarification as to what that means. Is he loving bodies without stacks? Is it a digital torture scene like the one from the first book? Is Kovacs the one doing the rape stuff? Woken Furies haaaaaaaaardcore spoilers: Kovacs teams up with a decommission crew to escape some baddies, and while they're out and about the leader collapses, you find out later she has downloaded, somehow, a backup of Quellcrist Falconer's personality. You find this out because she only comes out(at least as far as I've gotten in the book) by hijacking the decom leader lady's body when she gets aroused, and then she and Kovacs bang. He later on uses ~Envoy techniques~ to arouse her to get Quellcrist to pop out. The lady doesn't know what happens when Quellcrist takes over her body, but knows something weird is up, and Morgan writes it like it's a sexual tension between the two of them when really it's Kovacs loving her without her knowledge then shrugging it off as, you guessed it, sexual tension. I think that's the gist of it. But it's also partly just: Open Source Idiom posted:Is Richard Morgan capable of writing decent sex scenes? Like, the sex scene in Altered Carbon is the best one cause it's just him and what's-her-face getting super freaky with it, although her sleeve emits ~sexy pheremones~ which kind of makes Kovacs unable to say no soooooo 
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Johnny Truant posted:Like, the sex scene in Altered Carbon is the best one cause it's just him and what's-her-face getting super freaky with it, although her sleeve emits ~sexy pheremones~ which kind of makes Kovacs unable to say no soooooo Uhhh, you really got that wrong on the pheremones there. All Miriam Bancroft's body secreted was a drug in her sweat and saliva that creates a ~sexy empathic link~ between them so he feels what she's feeling and vice-versa while they gently caress. It wasn't that he couldn't say no, it was that he was in a body that'd just been stockpiling hormones in storage until he got sleeved in it and Miriam turning up in his room was a convenient release.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Uhhh, you really got that wrong on the pheremones there. All Miriam Bancroft's body secreted was a drug in her sweat and saliva that creates a ~sexy empathic link~ between them so he feels what she's feeling and vice-versa while they gently caress. It wasn't that he couldn't say no, it was that he was in a body that'd just been stockpiling hormones in storage until he got sleeved in it and Miriam turning up in his room was a convenient release.  You're right! So yeah, that's Morgan's best sex scene, by far.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Uhhh, you really got that wrong on the pheremones there. All Miriam Bancroft's body secreted was a drug in her sweat and saliva that creates a ~sexy empathic link~ between them so he feels what she's feeling and vice-versa while they gently caress. It wasn't that he couldn't say no, it was that he was in a body that'd just been stockpiling hormones in storage until he got sleeved in it and Miriam turning up in his room was a convenient release. Ehhh getting somebody high and then loving them is still rape man. If you're intoxicated at all its pretty questionable. If they had a past relationship of taking drugs together okay, but it was pretty loose on consent.
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Zaphod42 posted:Ehhh getting somebody high and then loving them is still rape man. If you're intoxicated at all its pretty questionable. If they had a past relationship of taking drugs together okay, but it was pretty loose on consent. It's a direct-contact thing, it's not doing anything until they're already loving anyway, and she was pretty drat clear about what her body could do upfront with an offer of sex he was free to turn down. You're also forgetting he's also an amoral sociopathic Envoy, and the start and end of Kovacs having sex with her was "eh gently caress it, why not?" after a very long day of getting his strings pulled by everyone. I honestly don't know where you're getting "she roofied him" from.
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Bust Rodd posted:You or other persons have said the sex is “kind of rape-y” multiple times and I’d really like some clarification as to what that means. Is he loving bodies without stacks? Is it a digital torture scene like the one from the first book? Is Kovacs the one doing the rape stuff? Broken Angels has a traumatised rape victim who Kovacs rescues from soldiers, and because he needs her functional quickly he puts her through military pack bonding treatment that's explicitly a hairs-breadth away from sexual assault itself. It's another piece of the settings subtle body-horror - you're nothing more than biological resources, and the people in power will happily open up your body and soul, rummage around inside, and put you back together in a way that suits them - and it's portrayed as a really hosed up thing to do, but it's still kinda skeezy. Why does so much scifi/fantasy try and be clever with sexual assault? The sex with Ortega was great - it captured all the weird uncomfortable stuff of stacks and sleeves, without crossing into creepy.
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Broken Angels has a traumatised rape victim who Kovacs rescues from soldiers, and because he needs her functional quickly he puts her through military pack bonding treatment that's explicitly a hairs-breadth away from sexual assault itself. It's another piece of the settings subtle body-horror - you're nothing more than biological resources, and the people in power will happily open up your body and soul, rummage around inside, and put you back together in a way that suits them - and it's portrayed as a really hosed up thing to do, but it's still kinda skeezy. Yeah that poo poo was also veryyyyyyyyyyy weird. Like, what, there's literally part of Envoy conditioning based around having sex with people who don't like you and probably don't want to have sex with you, just so they like you afterwards? 
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Broken Angels has a traumatised rape victim who Kovacs rescues from soldiers, and because he needs her functional quickly he puts her through military pack bonding treatment that's explicitly a hairs-breadth away from sexual assault itself. It's another piece of the settings subtle body-horror - you're nothing more than biological resources, and the people in power will happily open up your body and soul, rummage around inside, and put you back together in a way that suits them - and it's portrayed as a really hosed up thing to do, but it's still kinda skeezy. Johnny Truant posted:Yeah that poo poo was also veryyyyyyyyyyy weird. Like, what, there's literally part of Envoy conditioning based around having sex with people who don't like you and probably don't want to have sex with you, just so they like you afterwards? It wasn't a bonding treatment; It was an incredibly invasive (and hosed up as hell) Envoy therapy to force her out of being a broken shell of a person into a vaguely-functional human being in a span of something like an hour or two.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:It wasn't a bonding treatment; It was an incredibly invasive (and hosed up as hell) Envoy therapy to force her out of being a broken shell of a person into a vaguely-functional human being in a span of something like an hour or two.  I didn't try to pore over every detail of these sex scenes for reasons we're discussing right now, but their VR sex was meant for bonding or something I thought, and was him finishing his sexy-Envoy stuff if I recall correctly?
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Even I gloss over that one, but iirc that was more just mutual blowing off steam. None of it was about bonding, it was just all about keeping her mind from regressing into itself because he needed her functional for the job and she was not capable of much when she was pulled out of the prison in a malnourished and badly abused sleeve. She does mention that she can feel whatever he's done to her psychologically at the edge of her mind a bit, or something like that, basically hypnotizing her into being mentally-sound whether she likes it or not.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Even I gloss over that one, but iirc that was more just mutual blowing off steam. None of it was about bonding, it was just all about keeping her mind from regressing into itself because he needed her functional for the job and she was not capable of much when she was pulled out of the prison in a malnourished and badly abused sleeve. She does mention that she can feel whatever he's done to her psychologically at the edge of her mind a bit, or something like that, basically hypnotizing her into being mentally-sound whether she likes it or not. I'd actually like to file the VR sex under "the good kind of weird" - drug aided VR sex is dangerously plausible, as is the way their avatars are somewhat pornified versions of their normal sleeves. And the archaeologist literally sculpting her tits and rear end in front of Kovacs is hilarious. Edit: to clarify - Envoy psyche-reassembly is rapey, but not a sex scene. VR sex is sex, but not rapey. Strom Cuzewon fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Jul 31, 2018 |
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Elias_Maluco posted:To be honest those books seems pretty bad, from the scenes you people are describing The first one is loving awesome noir, the second one is a fun Indiana Jones-esque romp, the third one is kind of mehh but has cool world building. I'd definitely recommend the first one, if you like the world building just keep on going. Strom Cuzewon posted:And the archaeologist literally sculpting her tits and rear end in front of Kovacs is hilarious. Bahaha I totally forgot about that part!
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