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Aesop Poprock posted:The first time I watched oz I was like 11 at my parents house because they somehow lucked into free hbo and I saw a dude force another dude to blow him and then the guy bit his dick head off and I was traumatized but also amazed you could show that on tv And here I thought George-Michael Bluth was fictional
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BiggerBoat posted:Touche. I will poo poo on it. OZ is a lovely soap opera, and it is complete hot garbage. Pure rear end.
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Jun 17, 2018 21:02
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Jedit posted:"Surprisingly good" is a description that can apply to almost any episode of Lexx. No matter how terrible it might sound, it's always somehow at least slightly better. (Exception: the one in S4 with Hattie Hayridge and Craig Charles as the owners of a private prison.) Lexx was a cool premise wasted on a stupid sex comedy. The original miniseries was great, and S2 has its moments, but S3 is very hit-miss (mostly miss) and S4 is virtually unwatchable. Sweevo has a new favorite as of 17:56 on Aug 11, 2018 |
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Jun 17, 2018 21:50
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RC and Moon Pie posted:I Love Lucy had a story arc where the Ricardos went to Hollywood and hung out with movie stars, so pretty much from the start. There was a period of time where every time I caught I Love Lucy it was the same episode: where they were in Las Vegas (yet again) and they find out there's uranium in the desert so they all get in the car and search for uranium. There was a celebrity on that episode because Las Vegas. Pick posted:And here I thought George-Michael Bluth was fictional Visit Pop-Pop in prison?!
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Jun 17, 2018 22:14
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skooma512 posted:Don't forget clip show. Do they still do clip shows? I don't watch a lot of comedies that aren't straight to streaming nowadays. I assumed that ended like 15 years ago.
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Jun 17, 2018 22:45
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There was Cop Rock. The police procedural musical. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pXyw4pdOGyE
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Jun 17, 2018 23:35
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Sweevo posted:Lexx was a cool premise wasted on a stupid sex comedy. The original miniseries was great, and S2 has its moments, but S3 is very hiss-miss (more miss) and S4 is virtually unwatchable. The thing is that Lexx, had it not been so sex comedy focused, would have maybe been regarded some 20 years later as this ahead-of-its-time, surreal sci-fi adventure. I don't know the best way to describe it other than something like cosmic horror-lite or cosmic fantasy than most sci-fi tended to be.
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Jun 18, 2018 00:21
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roomforthetuna posted:I think musical episode has pretty much always been one of the fallback "running short of ideas" episodes, along with the amnesia, mindswap and cage-fight episodes. The musical episodes of Scrubs were magical though.
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Jun 18, 2018 00:40
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Krispy Wafer posted:The musical episodes of Scrubs were magical though. The one I can remember was awful, I never got more than halfway through it.
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Jun 18, 2018 00:53
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WebDog posted:There was Cop Rock. The police procedural musical. Wow, I can't believe I never saw the intro before and that it was performed by Randy Newman  This is my favorite cop rock song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUrgbheklZM Incredibly, there's actually an Entertainment Weekly article online from before it premiered https://ew.com/article/1990/09/21/cop-rocks-shot-survival/
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Jun 18, 2018 01:00
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JediTalentAgent posted:The thing is that Lexx, had it not been so sex comedy focused, would have maybe been regarded some 20 years later as this ahead-of-its-time, surreal sci-fi adventure. I don't know the best way to describe it other than something like cosmic horror-lite or cosmic fantasy than most sci-fi tended to be. I would say it’s like Germany’s idea of science fiction, which is grotesque and full of broad comedy and probably dongs in the German version. It’s like that other sci-fi channel show, The First Wave. It was obviously made with the intention that it would be on a premium channel, as every episode had loving and blurred nudity. Invading aliens apparently think the best way to take over a planet is with sex-related plotting.
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Jun 18, 2018 01:16
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With that being said, there's a German sci-fi from the 60s "Raumspatrolle Orion" where according to the wiki it has the comment about the show:quote:Yet another impediment might have been that the controllers in charge at the state television channel ARD feared accusations of an excess of "militarism" and a portrayal of a system "akin to fascism". While this might seem far-fetched for foreigners, this issue was and is very sensitive in Germany with regards to the past history of the country, and executive producer Helmut Krapp admitted that the issue was considered and taken seriously.[2] I watched a few episodes of that show a few years ago when I had some free time and even at about 50 years old it looked REALLY good and it's probably a bit ahead of Star Trek of the era in a few ways.
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Jun 18, 2018 01:33
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JediTalentAgent posted:The thing is that Lexx, had it not been so sex comedy focused, would have maybe been regarded some 20 years later as this ahead-of-its-time, surreal sci-fi adventure. I don't know the best way to describe it other than something like cosmic horror-lite or cosmic fantasy than most sci-fi tended to be. I found some making-of show about Lexx on youtube several years ago as I was watching the series and most of the creative side behind it saw it as an heir to German expressionism. They failed to live up to that legacy, obviously, what with all the pissing dick showerheads and tongued toilets and so on, but I see what they meant. The series is above all surreal, throwing away any sort of grounded reality or objective viewpoint simply so the protagonists can be put into situations that draw an extreme reaction from themselves (and hopefully the viewer). Again, it's nowhere near the quality of expressionist art or films like Metropolis, but I can see how Lexx was inspired by them. I also had the impression that a lot of the more juvenile stuff was coming solely from the show's creator, since he chose to name a tv show/giant dick ship after himself, while everyone else just kinda worked around him because it was the late 90s and you had Lexx or Star Trek for spacefaring scifi and Lexx would let you do weird poo poo.
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Jun 18, 2018 01:38
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roomforthetuna posted:I think musical episode has pretty much always been one of the fallback "running short of ideas" episodes, along with the amnesia, mindswap and cage-fight episodes. What? Having a hard time remembering that Happy Days or MASH cage fight episode.
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Jun 18, 2018 01:41
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BiggerBoat posted:What? Are you kidding? That season finale baby didn't know what hit it
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Jun 18, 2018 01:44
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Preem Palver posted:I found some making-of show about Lexx on youtube several years ago as I was watching the series and most of the creative side behind it saw it as an heir to German expressionism. They failed to live up to that legacy, obviously, what with all the pissing dick showerheads and tongued toilets and so on, but I see what they meant. The series is above all surreal, throwing away any sort of grounded reality or objective viewpoint simply so the protagonists can be put into situations that draw an extreme reaction from themselves (and hopefully the viewer). Again, it's nowhere near the quality of expressionist art or films like Metropolis, but I can see how Lexx was inspired by them. I also had the impression that a lot of the more juvenile stuff was coming solely from the show's creator, since he chose to name a tv show/giant dick ship after himself, while everyone else just kinda worked around him because it was the late 90s and you had Lexx or Star Trek for spacefaring scifi and Lexx would let you do weird poo poo. 
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Jun 18, 2018 01:44
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WebDog posted:There was Cop Rock. The police procedural musical. And the unrelated British show The Singing Detective: quote:Mystery writer Philip E. Marlow is suffering writer's block and is hospitalised because his psoriatic arthropathy, a chronic skin and joint disease, is at an acute stage forming lesions and sores over his entire body, and partially cripples his hands and feet. Dennis Potter suffered from this disease himself, and he wrote with a pen tied to his fist in much the same fashion Marlow does in the last episode. Although severe, Marlow's condition was intentionally understated compared to Potter's whose skin would sometimes crack and bleed.[1]
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Jun 18, 2018 03:31
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Sweevo posted:Lexx was a cool premise wasted on a stupid sex comedy. The original miniseries was great, and S2 has its moments, but S3 is very hiss-miss (more miss) and S4 is virtually unwatchable. 
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Jun 18, 2018 03:59
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i discovered that all of Oz is on amazon prime so i've been watching it lately, just about finished with the last season. it's been mostly good, definitely had strong 90's vibes at the start despite mostly having more in common with today's "prestige" tv stuffs. you could tell it was at the start of a big shift in tv, even if the interspersed scenes of Augustus Hill (the dude in the wheelchair) philosophizing over poo poo tangentially related to the plot still felt extremely 90s. it's been mostly a very entertaining show. but the last two seasons have been bizarre and absurd and pretty bad, instead of a drama set in a prison it's like a bizarre soap opera and it focuses way too much on the hosed up romance between Beecher and Keller, and the back and forth between Beecher and Schillinger. just the body count alone, the amount of family members killed in randomly arranged hits and poo poo, for both Beecher and Schillinger is just beyond ridiculous. they tried to keep things pretty realistic for a while, or at least within the realms of possibility, but now by the end of season six it's just a fuckin joke. Beecher getting paroled and then promptly set up by his beloved Keller to get arrested and violate his parole and return to prison was hilarious, even moreso because it was meant to be serious and dramatic. for the most part it's aged ok, but these last two seasons must have aged terribly because twenty years ago people raved about them like they were some of the best tv ever :/
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Jun 18, 2018 05:18
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Gatekeeper posted:i discovered that all of Oz is on amazon prime so i've been watching it lately, just about finished with the last season. it's been mostly good, definitely had strong 90's vibes at the start despite mostly having more in common with today's "prestige" tv stuffs. you could tell it was at the start of a big shift in tv, even if the interspersed scenes of Augustus Hill (the dude in the wheelchair) philosophizing over poo poo tangentially related to the plot still felt extremely 90s. it's been mostly a very entertaining show. I watched those last seasons when they aired (that was the early 2000's and that's not yet 20 years ago I am not old  ), and they were kind of ridiculous back then, too.
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Aesop Poprock posted:The first time I watched oz I was like 11 at my parents house because they somehow lucked into free hbo and I saw a dude force another dude to blow him and then the guy bit his dick head off and I was traumatized but also amazed you could show that on tv ahahaha this scene owned, the one dude wakes the other dude up by like pushing him half heartedly and going "hey come on, suck my cock, bro, hey seriously man come on, just suck my cock, come on man really just suck my cock" and Beecher is like "ugh fine" and he hits his knees, makes like a circus seal for a good couple of beats, and then CHOMP my favorite part was how Beecher spits out a piece of weiner right there after biting, and then they cut to him stripped naked and being thrown into the hole and "ptoooey!" he spits out another chunk of weiner. i guess that piece had just been chillin in his mouth like Big League Chew for a good long while as the hacks beat him and stripped him and everything 
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Jun 18, 2018 05:23
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Gatekeeper posted:ahahaha this scene owned, the one dude wakes the other dude up by like pushing him half heartedly and going "hey come on, suck my cock, bro, hey seriously man come on, just suck my cock, come on man really just suck my cock" and Beecher is like "ugh fine" and he hits his knees, makes like a circus seal for a good couple of beats, and then CHOMP 
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Jun 18, 2018 05:24
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I remember one of Schillinger's goons got raped and then got AIDS all in the same episode. People don't get sick that fast so I'm not sure if the show was being goofy.
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Jun 18, 2018 05:25
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I watched those last seasons when they aired (that was the early 2000's and that's not yet 20 years ago I am not old ah yeah you're right it just started 20 years ago, it ended like 15 years ago  also it's a bad sign that they're just randomly killing people now just for the sadness/drama factor because the show is ending. it's lazy and manipulative writing, shame because most of the show was a lot better than this.
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Jun 18, 2018 05:26
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Mu Zeta posted:I remember one of Schillinger's goons got raped and then got AIDS all in the same episode. People don't get sick that fast so I'm not sure if the show was being goofy. Everything in a TV show moves at the speed of plot. Ever noticed how soap opera children go from being a newborn to a toddler in like two weeks?
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Jun 18, 2018 05:29
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Mu Zeta posted:I remember one of Schillinger's goons got raped and then got AIDS all in the same episode. People don't get sick that fast so I'm not sure if the show was being goofy. ooh yeah he just got diagnosed, to be fair it wasn't all in the same episode, the goon had a dental procedure where skin from a corpse was grafted onto his gums and when he finds out it was a black guys gums, all his Nazi pals kick him out of the club for not being a pure Aryan anymore lmfao well he's got no Nazi protection anymore so his only choice is to become prison bitch to this dingus Wolfgang who makes him wear lipstick and earrings and booty shorts, and wolfgang sticks spoons up his butt and pulls pantyhose over his head and chokes him with it while punching him really hard in the ribs while also sodomizing him, because prison finally goon gets his revenge by talking him into trying autoerotic asphyxiation and then just choking him out and killing him instead, but sure enough, his next trip to the doctor leads to the reveal of him now being HIV positive. this all happens over the course of two-three episodes I think?
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Preem Palver posted:and had John Dunsworth (Lahey from TPB) as an old Brunnen-G. That episode was surprisingly good. Ohhhhhh waaaaay ohhhhhhh! You will now have that stuck in your head for a week Megillah Gorilla has a new favorite as of 05:48 on Jun 18, 2018 |
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Absurd Alhazred posted:And the unrelated British show The Singing Detective: The Singing Detective is great; probbaly one of the best tv miniseries ever. I believe Potter had done some work in Hollywood and was frustrated by how everything had to be pigeonholed into a single genre, so when he returned to the BBC he made a series that had about nine genres at once.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Everything in a TV show moves at the speed of plot. Ever noticed how soap opera children go from being a newborn to a toddler in like two weeks? I recall that repeated instances of this result in Days of our Lives having a man and his great-grandchild working at the same hospital at the same time.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:It's had two sequel series in the last few years as well. Really? Well, I guess that's the sort of thing that happens when the kids who used to love stuff like this back in the day are all grown up and have turned into the adults who make decisions in media companies.
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Wheat Loaf posted:The Singing Detective is great; probbaly one of the best tv miniseries ever. I believe Potter had done some work in Hollywood and was frustrated by how everything had to be pigeonholed into a single genre, so when he returned to the BBC he made a series that had about nine genres at once. Man, I saw that back in the day, don't remember much about it now but do remember that it was something completely out of the ordinary.
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BiggerBoat posted:Got to thinking about this today and HBO's poo poo has held up remarkably well. Deadwood, Sopranos, The Wire, Six Feet Under, Larry Sanders, Curb Your Enthusiasm...I'm hard pressed to think of a series they did hasn't stood the test of time. I never liked Sex in the City so I can't say how that one "held up". Six Feet Under probably has the best series finale of all goddamn time.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Everything in a TV show moves at the speed of plot. Ever noticed how soap opera children go from being a newborn to a toddler in like two weeks? Stephen King calls it the Kid Trick, and also points out that the objective is to get them into their teens ASAP so they can do salacious plot things.
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sassassin posted:The one I can remember was awful, I never got more than halfway through it. All depends how you feel about poo I guess.
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Jun 18, 2018 13:14
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It's weird to think that Breaking Bad premiered more than 10 years ago and ended five years ago.
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Wheat Loaf posted:It's weird to think that Breaking Bad premiered more than 10 years ago and ended five years ago. I rewatched it recently, and there's already a few details that look weird: * The mobile phones are so old and clunky * The adults descending into a panic when they think Walt Jr might be smoking pot
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nonathlon posted:I rewatched it recently, and there's already a few details that look weird: * Meth being the ruling drug of choice instead of opiates
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Everything I hear about Oz makes me never want to watch it. I saw one of those anti-marijuana ads in an old magazine and realized those have pretty much entirely disappeared.
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Araenna posted:Do they still do clip shows? I don't watch a lot of comedies that aren't straight to streaming nowadays. I assumed that ended like 15 years ago. Clip shows were a way to pad out a season. Don't want to write an entire 26th episode for the season? We'll write 5 minutes of new material to string together a bunch of clips from the last three seasons. There was also the writer's strike in 1988 that might have played a role, Star Trek The Next Generation famously had a terrible clip show episode because of that.
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