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OK yeah I'm really digging the game a lot now. And I actually enjoy the combat.
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Game just keeps getting better. But when should I start considering eating people? I'm in Whitechapel, and already level 14. I've Embraced one person so far - after I finished Crazy Lady Who Thinks She's a Vampire's quest, I bit her. If I'm being honest, a lot of the reason I did it was because I hadn't eaten anyone yet so far and was thinking I might as well since her plot seemed mostly done I've found a few Bad Hombres that I might feel okay about eating, but I assume I should progress until I have all their Hints unlocked? When does the game get hard? Even at level 6 I was able to take out level 16 monsters by just being careful and abusing the hell out of the "Stun, Bite, Claws, dodge backwards, Claws, repeat" combo.
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Jun 16, 2018 14:30
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precision posted:Game just keeps getting better. But when should I start considering eating people? I was thinking I would be able to get through without eating people, but I just finished Chapter 2, after the funeral, and trying to get through the docks first mission has me flustered...I'm going to have to suck some dudes off before I can kill these Priwen. Basically, I'd keep advancing until you feel that you need more skills. I'm resting very infrequently, only when I get 3k skill points or so banked up or I need a skill to get past a hurdle. The game apparently penalizes you for even eating the lovely people who, let's be honest, even after finding all of their hints and healing them are only worth ~1k...not really game-changing skill points unless you eat two or three...  
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Jun 16, 2018 15:06
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Beat it last night, this was definitely a game I guess. When you cheat to 50 there's really no reason to give a poo poo about any of the NPCs and their problems, moreso if you weren't gonna harvest them for xp anyways. At least they had to decency to not leave any real sequel bait.
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Jun 16, 2018 15:10
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Goddamned I ... I charmed the nurse in the blackmail quest in chapter 2, and I think this is one of those Alpha Protocol situations where the consequences of the decision aren't the ones I intended. gently caress's sake game. eugh, fine I'm going to see where it leads but now I'm very annoyed.
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Jun 16, 2018 16:27
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precision posted:Game just keeps getting better. But when should I start considering eating people? The game gets hard whenever new enemies show up and they're ten levels above you and you don't know how to fight them. But once you get the patterns down it's just a matter of patience. So far I've never had to actually eat anyone. Remember to upgrade your main weapons and you should be fine. The hacksaw and the mace are my best friends, along with a stake you get in the West End. Also upgrading your health and stamina is super important. So far I'd say the hardest bit is the Chapter 3 boss, and I'm on Chapter 6. double nine posted:Goddamned I ... I charmed the nurse in the blackmail quest in chapter 2, and I think this is one of those Alpha Protocol situations where the consequences of the decision aren't the ones I intended. gently caress's sake game. eugh, fine I'm going to see where it leads but now I'm very annoyed. I never found that hint! I am so bad at videogames I'm actually good.
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Jun 16, 2018 17:09
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Has anyone just played through sucking everyone off? Does that effect the game in any way?
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Jun 17, 2018 05:07
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double nine posted:Goddamned I ... I charmed the nurse in the blackmail quest in chapter 2, and I think this is one of those Alpha Protocol situations where the consequences of the decision aren't the ones I intended. gently caress's sake game. eugh, fine I'm going to see where it leads but now I'm very annoyed. Haha I did the same thing, and because of what happened I've decided to lean into being slightly-evil. I've Embraced like 3 people now. It gets easier every time... Since I'm so early I'm kinda considering doing an "eat everyone" run first and then an Eat Nobody run. Talking to people doesn't get you much XP so an Eat Nobody run should be the quickest, because you only have to talk to people about things that give you quests and can ignore the Hints (or just mash Square through all the dialogue).
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Jun 17, 2018 13:27
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precision posted:Haha I did the same thing, and because of what happened I've decided to lean into being slightly-evil. I've Embraced like 3 people now. It gets easier every time...  run first if you're planning to min-max things. If only because it'll give you insights into the conversation trees ( It's still worth helping folks out to max the XP you gain even when chowing down on them ) as well as the enemy patterns later on, especially because you won't be as upgraded combat wise in a no-chomping run.
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Jun 17, 2018 14:02
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How many chapters is this game? I'm in chapter 3 and have 3 sidequests that all want me to go to places I've never been yet (Southwark, the West Docks) that I've had since chapter 1. Also I've yet to find a single person who it would be unquestionably good to murder. Where the bad people at? Are the vampire hunters human? If so, why can't I talk to/Embrace them? Why do they all know to attack me if I get anywhere near them? The second person I Embraced was Mortimer, after learning that he's suicidal. Dr. Kevorkian, at your service. I like that there are things you can learn about people that aren't spoon fed to you (the times where you have to be around at the right time and use Vampire Sight to know that you can "observe" them, and then you have to find the right place to Observe from). That mechanic alone could be used to make a pure non-combat detective game. poo poo just release a version of this game with more NPCs as a Sherlock game. edit: To people complaining about having to run around giving everyone cures every day, you don't actually ever have to cure anyone unless you're going to Embrace them, right? They don't ever like, die of Headache or whatever, do they? I know curing people slightly raises the zone's Safety rating but assuming you're not eating everyone that shouldn't be a concern anyway, right? precision fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Jun 17, 2018 |
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Jun 17, 2018 15:29
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precision posted:How many chapters is this game? I'm in chapter 3 and have 3 sidequests that all want me to go to places I've never been yet (Southwark, the West Docks) that I've had since chapter 1. Their are 6 chapters in the game. You can go back to Southwark at any time, go back to the docks and their is a door leading into the railway bridge, I don't recall ever going back their for a story mission. For the west docks if your talking about the one for Tom, go back to the boat that had the body you examined at the beginning of the game and you can teleport over the water.
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Jun 17, 2018 16:04
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precision posted:How many chapters is this game? I'm in chapter 3 and have 3 sidequests that all want me to go to places I've never been yet (Southwark, the West Docks) that I've had since chapter 1. Apparently there are subtle tells to vampirism that even humans can spot, which would explain why vampire hunters will always go hostile. And the protagonist doesn't even hide it all that well, what with the massively bloodshot eyes and pale veiny skin  . Not to mention that they hunters extremely trigger happy and probably killed more than a few hapless civilians by accident.As for deserving murder targets, there is at least one each in Whitechapel and the Docks, and arguably some more depending on how much benefit of the doubt you're willing to give them. If you wanna know who to look into specifically, spoilers ahead: In Whitechapel, get to talking with Father Whitacker at the church and do his sidequest. In the Docks it's Seymour Fishburne, make sure to do his sidequest and turn it in with his mother for all the hints. VVVV Oh yeah, that goes without saying. Almost the entire West End is basically a big buffet for the ethical vampire. VVVV
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Jun 17, 2018 17:08
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Are they bourgie scum? If yes, there's your answer. question: I've just gotten to west end, but from what I can tell there's basically nothing dynamic about npcs we meet in the three previous districts, correct? They have a sidequest (get [item] and give it to x or y) that depending on the choice you make is sort of reactive in a very binary way, and they have some secrets to uncover but those don't lead to you influencing or changing their behaviour or anything. Do the npcs you meet have more stuff to talk about after you get to a specific chapter, or is for example barkeep Tom always gonna say the same stuff? double nine fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Jun 17, 2018 |
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Jun 17, 2018 17:13
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double nine posted:Do the npcs you meet have more stuff to talk about after you get to a specific chapter, or is for example barkeep Tom always gonna say the same stuff? I noticed once that doing a major quest (I believe it was the end of Chapter 2) gave a lot of the NPCs a few new things to talk about. Probably not everyone, but it seems that some people definitely do get more dialogue as the plot moves forward.
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Jun 17, 2018 17:25
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precision posted:edit: To people complaining about having to run around giving everyone cures every day, you don't actually ever have to cure anyone unless you're going to Embrace them, right? They don't ever like, die of Headache or whatever, do they? I know curing people slightly raises the zone's Safety rating but assuming you're not eating everyone that shouldn't be a concern anyway, right? The longer you leave illness untreated the further the safety meter falls and once it gets too low characters will start dying. I can't say I know the specifics because I never let any zone fall too low. So I just beat the game and boy that ending was...an ending. I just started skipping through the dialogue, because WOW that was a lot of words. I did enjoy the game and I don't regret getting it, but if a sequel's going to happen then I'd hope it changes up quite a bit.
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Jun 17, 2018 22:21
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So on PS4 sometimes pressing the touch pad doesn't take you directly to a letter or whatever if you pick one up, always make sure and manually go read it (Quest Items are arranged by most recent) as you won't actually get the Quest or the Hint if you don't do that. One cool thing I like is that for every person you Embrace, you get a unique fight, and if you Charm the nurse she turns into a real nasty level 24 vampire that I managed to kill at level 14  Overall the map is really not bad to get around in what with all the shortcuts you open up but the Southwark Bridge is annoying and thankfully there are only like three quests there. But still gently caress that place. Also I just met the gooniest "vampire hunter". Game owns.
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Jun 18, 2018 00:08
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The best way I can think to describe this game is The Witcher 1 x Deadly Premonition x Alpha Protocol. I was lukewarm on it until after dealing with two pillars in a row and getting a less than optimal result from what seemed like the moral good choice, at which point I just decided to embrace the insanity and go with whatever happened without worrying too much. I got the second to worst ending ultimately but I just Youtubed the others. No harm done. One thing I can say though is that whenever devs try to prevent savescumming to preserve the narrative purity of the game or whatever they just end up making players play it less, because nobody is going to go all the loving way back to the beginning of a 25 hour game just because they made a whoopsie and croaked somebody when they didn't mean to. Lore stuff seemed to have an unhealthy level of interest in whether vampires can gently caress or not.
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Jun 18, 2018 00:23
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Chickenwalker posted:Lore stuff seemed to have an unhealthy level of interest in whether vampires can gently caress or not. Vampire boning is just part of the genre, my dude.
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Jun 18, 2018 01:49
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It's widely accepted that the entire modern concept of the vampire is just one big sexual metaphor.
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Jun 18, 2018 01:52
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I totally missed that line somehow. So are we left to assume based on his uncertainty that Jonny boy hasn't gotten a boner since he was turned? Gotta loot that formula for Viagra. No wonder Ashbury jumped in the fire on my playthrough
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Jun 18, 2018 03:09
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Question about Whitechapel and Dorothy crane; so I apparently hosed up by charming her and now she's dead. Is it possible to raise the status of the district past serious or I am going to keep fighting just to keep it there?
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Jun 18, 2018 07:50
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I haven't been paying a lot of attention to XP sources, other than that combat gives a whopping 5 xp per killed enemy, which is not impressive. Does discovering character secrets give xp, or is it only main quest progression plus district investigations?
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Jun 18, 2018 08:15
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Hipster Occultist posted:Question about Whitechapel and Dorothy crane; It fucks it up pretty good but once you find some of the other guys (I never found the bowler hat dude in the bottom left?) you can get it pretty well into stable. Just go with the flow though, and don't make decisions based on what you think the game wants you to do. Do what you think you would do. It'll come back to bite you in the rear end but the game isn't fun when you over analyze every choice since the outcomes seldom make any drat sense and almost always end up being negative.
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Jun 18, 2018 12:41
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Hipster Occultist posted:Question about Whitechapel and Dorothy crane; It's been almost Critical for me since then because the blind guy who won't even talk to you without 3 Mesmerize kept getting sicker and sicker. I just finished chapter 3 and I actually loved that boss fight, and also loved the story cutscenes involved. This game is really good!
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Jun 18, 2018 15:08
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It kinds bugs me what ridiculous liberties they take with London geography. If half the map is in Limehouse you're nowhere near anything that's remotely considered the West End. Temple doesn't touch Whitehall. If you wanted it to be set in East London set it in East London. Or have us go through the Underground or something to get between zones. If they make a sequel it's going to be about AIDS isn't it? Or is that too touchy? Having the next chapter skip to the 80s in the midst of the AIDS crisis in San Francisco...Haight-Ashbury anyone? Or maybe the 60s with lots of psychedelics. Could be pretty cool. Dontnod doesn't typically bathe in the same stream twice though, does it?
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Jun 18, 2018 16:15
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precision posted:It's been almost Critical for me since then because the blind guy who won't even talk to you without 3 Mesmerize kept getting sicker and sicker. this specifically is why I postponed leveling up until I had mesmerize lvl 3 and could cure him. It was a pain in the neck.
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Jun 18, 2018 16:30
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Chickenwalker posted:If they make a sequel it's going to be about AIDS isn't it? Or is that too touchy? Having the next chapter skip to the 80s in the midst of the AIDS crisis in San Francisco...Haight-Ashbury anyone? Or maybe the 60s with lots of psychedelics. Could be pretty cool. Dontnod doesn't typically bathe in the same stream twice though, does it? oh man a sequel set in 70s San Fran where you hang out at leather bars would be amazing  Also pursuant to my earlier post, I'm now 99% certain that Claws deals Shadow damage and is not considered Melee. I believe the resistance for Melee literally just means "Melee weapons", same with Ranged - Blood Spear is Shadow, not Ranged damage as well. I know this must be true because guys who are Melee resistant take the full 250+ damage from Claws while taking half damage from my Hacksaw. edit: actually Bloodspear is probably Blood damage, duh
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Jun 18, 2018 16:43
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precision posted:It's widely accepted that the entire modern concept of the vampire is just one big sexual metaphor. They are also a metaphor for pandemics which the game obviously pushes pretty hard. Also, I wonder if Dontnod is going to push out a patch for the whole nurse thing. It seems like everybody is complaining about how unclear the dialogue option is.
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Jun 18, 2018 17:19
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I do hope the game is selling well enough for some balance patches too. I definitely want to run through the game at least twice more (kill nobody and kill everybody) and I think they could probably add in fast travel between hideouts to make running the laps to cure people less painful. At the same time, running laps to cure people has led me to find a lot of quest/lore pieces in random garbage that I had overlooked before, and as long as you open up all the shortcuts it's really nbd to run across the map especially since there are no loading screens and most enemies can be run past. Maybe just patch it so that people don't get sick as easily. For some reason, the first time I rested after finding the Hospital, like 6 people got sick all at once, and that's the only time that's happened.
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Jun 18, 2018 17:23
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Should i wait till some patches for a first run?
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Jun 18, 2018 17:39
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It's totally playable now, just keep in mind that You Are a Vampire when considering your dialogue options.
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Jun 18, 2018 17:41
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I'm torn between this and PoE2. I guess I'm posting here because I get what PoE is about but I'm definitely getting Vampire: the masque vibes from this.
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Jun 18, 2018 17:44
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IShallRiseAgain posted:They are also a metaphor for pandemics which the game obviously pushes pretty hard. Yeah, really all that part needs is to have it read something like [Mesmerize] instead of [Charm]. If I'd known the dude was going to try and mindfuck her I might have thought it over some more, but as it was I thought he would just sweet-talk her into dropping the whole thing.
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Jun 18, 2018 18:14
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Chickenwalker posted:Dontnod doesn't typically bathe in the same stream twice though, does it? I mean, they've only made 3 games, and their next one is the third game in their own franchise. The game's been doing well enough to reach number 1 in the UK, and it only needs to sell about a million to be considered successful. There's interest in a sequel at the studio too. Which makes the dev's silence post-release seem weird. Glenn Quebec posted:I'm torn between this and PoE2. I guess I'm posting here because I get what PoE is about but I'm definitely getting Vampire: the masque vibes from this. I've never played Masquerade but from what I know it's more about Vampire politics while this is more about investigating the citizens. I did a no kill run and I think I ruined some of the fun of the game for myself, since making choices about who to kill and dealing with the consequences was immediately off the table.
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Jun 18, 2018 20:19
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Ok, so you're kind of like the only vampire in town? Not dealing with a secret cabal or anything?
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Glenn Quebec posted:Ok, so you're kind of like the only vampire in town? Not dealing with a secret cabal or anything? Oh no, that definitely is part of it. But you don't get to that until Chapter 4. That's also when the difficulty ramps up, good thing I have a Level 5 shotgun that shoots fire bullets.
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exquisite tea posted:It's totally playable now, just keep in mind that You Are a Vampire when considering your dialogue options. When thinking "I am a vampire", my assumption when I see a dialogue option that says "[CHARM] You will forget about all this" is to have my character say "You'll forget about all this vampire stuff and vampire blackmail silliness" and not "You'll forget about running this unsanctioned hospital". Like, there's zero reason my character wouldn't say the first part and very weird that the second part is what comes out instead.
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bewilderment posted:When thinking "I am a vampire", my assumption when I see a dialogue option that says "[CHARM] You will forget about all this" is to have my character say "You'll forget about all this vampire stuff and vampire blackmail silliness" and not "You'll forget about running this unsanctioned hospital". Yeah, that hosed me, too.
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bewilderment posted:When thinking "I am a vampire", my assumption when I see a dialogue option that says "[CHARM] You will forget about all this" is to have my character say "You'll forget about all this vampire stuff and vampire blackmail silliness" and not "You'll forget about running this unsanctioned hospital". Perestroika posted:Yeah, really all that part needs is to have it read something like [Mesmerize] instead of [Charm]. If I'd known the dude was going to try and mindfuck her I might have thought it over some more, but as it was I thought he would just sweet-talk her into dropping the whole thing. It does have a neat little tie in though. There's a note you can find that infers that the whole thing was one massive gently caress up. Albeit, it's a fairly clever one. It infers that inexperienced vamps can accidentally mind wipe the people they try to hypnotize either through poorly chosen words or just not knowing how to handle their powers. On top of that I doubt he literally wanted to destroy her only means of getting paid to survive the epidemic. Though that was what ends up happening if you go that route. Hell, she even gets Skal'd I think. It makes me wonder if the outcome would be different if you picked that up and read it first. Still pissed there isn't an option to pal around with Mary. If anything needs a patch it's giving us the option to not kill her all over again. Hell, if you're going for a no-kill run she has no real reason to want to die, outside of being a vampire is clearly not her deal. Whereas if you've killed even one person via draining her reasoning is somewhat sound in that your previously noble reasons for persisting are tainted because you're a blood hungry murderer. Archonex fucked around with this message at 03:57 on Jun 19, 2018 |
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lmao i was getting my rear end kinda kicked by the guys you start fighting in the West End that have access to all the same moves as you do and then i remembered "vampires hate stakes" seriously one hit stuns them with a level 3 Priwen Stake i wish there were a way to wield Stake/Gun at the same time.
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