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CountFosco posted:When Gauguin moved to Tahiti, he moved in with a fourteen year old local girl. Mahte was two years older than that, and then on top of it she was five years older when they apparently first conssumated (it would not surprise my if the consummation happened earlier, of course). So Gauguin's was younger, but then again Gauguin was a more important artist. We'll have to get an ethical calculator to figure this one out. There's a story that Gaugin cut off Van Gogh's ear in a fight, and Van Gogh claimed he cut it off himself.
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Snowman_McK posted:There's a story that Gaugin cut off Van Gogh's ear in a fight, and Van Gogh claimed he cut it off himself. "I'm going to go establish an alibi, you get rid of the evidence!" "What? How?" "How do you think, you moron? Mail it to someone?? Derrr!"
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Timby posted:The God stuff in AA is pretty easy to sidestep: Simply substitute "God" for "power greater than myself"; the whole point is an exercise in humility and accepting that you are not king poo poo of the mountain. That would be the part that probably stopped him dead in his tracks.
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dont even fink about it posted:I have a friend in AA who just got his 15-year coin, which for him ended not only his alcohol abuse but his life in drug culture overall (shrooms and pot and probably other things). He's a totally irreligious ex-military D&D player. You do not have to be born again to go through AA. My father got his 25 year coin before he died, and probably could be be described as someone with a vendetta against Catholicism. My brother has a 10 year coin and is fairly indifferent to religion. I went to Al-anon off and on for a few years and you could say I fall between my brother and father when it comes to Catholicism and religion in general. AA and its programs aren't perfect and aren't for everyone, but if you have even the slightest interest in attending don't let any of the religious affiliation turn you away, as it really is an almost inconsequential part of treatment in my collected experiences. Also, typing this out I realize it sounds like I was in Al-anon from my father and brother (technically both step-), but really it was getting over the PTSD and co-dependency of my violent rear end in a top hat biological father, as my step-father was sober when he met my mom and I never lived with my step-brother.
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-an-alleged-abusive-emo-sex-cult-none-of-these-poor-girls-could-say-no The accusations against William Control are starting to hit the news despite the lack of prosecution. This article in particular struck me because one of the victims told about a story from 2012 when she was raped shortly before Control left to do sound check. I immediately recognized that show as the first time I had ever seen him in concert. He and Aesthetic Perfection were two of the bands opening for The Birthday Massacre. It's very uncomfortable thinking back to that concert and now realizing that just before I saw this guy in person, he was beating and raping one of his "slaves". It makes me wonder how many other concerts I saw him in had him doing that right before or after. Was it all of them? For his part, Daniel Graves of Aesthetic Perfection re-released his "Rhythm + Control" song with Will's vocals removed (and frankly a much better mix anyway) and is donating 100% of the song's proceeds for the first 6 months to Planned Parenthood.
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On a lighter note https://thehardtimes.net/harddrive/new-co-worker-wont-shut-the-gently caress-up-about-the-walking-dead/
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GrandpaPants posted:Terry Crews owns Crews is amazing and deserves all of the support and praise in the world for being so open about the assault he endured. Mad respect for him turning down Expendables 4. Somebody get this man his own franchise, yesterday. Edit: And here comes 50 Cent to mock Crews for his bravery, and remind everyone that he peaked nine years ago with Blood On The Sand: https://www.buzzfeed.com/marcusjones/50-cent-mocked-terry-crews-sexual-assault-testimony?utm_term=.hwGGGRBArz#.vvjVV9j6QX Tart Kitty fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Jun 26, 2018 |
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Terry Crews does indeed own, but I am amused that somebody thought 'you can be in Expendables 4' was any kind of leverage. I mean, he was barely in 3.
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Fart City posted:Crews is amazing and deserves all of the support and praise in the world for being so open about the assault he endured. Mad respect for him turning down Expendables 4. Somebody get this man his own franchise, yesterday. Yeah, dude's an absolute class act through and through.
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AlternateAccount posted:Yeah, dude's an absolute class act through and through. Crews is a guy that has been through several different careers and I imagine it allows him to have a better perspective on these things than maybe he would otherwise. Like, nobody is going to hold Crews' acting career hostage by threatening him because he can imagine life without being a movie star, he's already lived it. He has many talents and could easily make a good living doing a hundred different things, and he knows it.
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For more straight from the source, he gave an interview last week that veered from code switching to his activism for about 10 minutes last week while promoting Sorry to Bother You: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vb-Z40p0mg&t=262s
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https://twitter.com/IWas17HeWas36/status/1010337544637067264 The next one is a real tool.
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Just while we're talking about Crews, even when he fucks up, he does it the right way. He did cheat on his wife, and we know because he talked about it, publicly, and took full responsiblity and apologised. Honestly, Crews feels like one of those people that slipped in from some other, better universe.
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chitoryu12 posted:https://twitter.com/IWas17HeWas36/status/1010337544637067264 I can already picture how his fanbase will twist and turn to dismiss this.
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Rhyno posted:I can already picture how his fanbase will twist and turn to dismiss this. Normal people haven't cared about Tool for like 10 years
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I like Tool's music for the most part Tool fans are basically the worst
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One might even say they're a bunch of tools.
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That’s 4 days old and Maynard’s response yesterday was https://twitter.com/mjkeenan/status/1012425461845016576?s=21
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GrandpaPants posted:Terry Crews owns Holy poo poo. Good on Crews for fighting back against blackmail like that. And the fact this motherfucker Adam Venit still has his job after this proves racism is alive and well in Hollywood. He would definitely have been fired long ago if Crews was an attractive woman; but no, the muscular black man can surely handle being groped, right? The naked racism here is so blatant you can taste it. It’s loving disgusting.
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Oh, and gently caress that piece of poo poo 50 Cent for mocking Crews’ situation with Adam Venit. That kind of bullshit is why sexual assault victims are afraid to speak out. Is 50 Cent offering free handjobs to anyone buying merchandise with his name on it at this point in his career or what?
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Rhyno posted:I can already picture how his fanbase will twist and turn to dismiss this. According to the comments on the original Twitter thread and Keenan's reply, they're saying that nobody has ever come forward with accusations like this and that some of the accounts telling stories are brand new and have no other content except rape stories from Tool (except there are some people with old accounts posting stories as well, which you have to go down farther to find).
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Slutitution posted:And the fact this motherfucker Adam Venit still has his job after this proves racism is alive and well in Hollywood. He would definitely have been fired long ago if Crews was an attractive woman; That's an odd definition of 'race'.
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Kangra posted:That's an odd definition of 'race'. Oh, I forgot to add ‘white,’ but somehow I think you already knew what I was getting at you tool.
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chitoryu12 posted:https://twitter.com/IWas17HeWas36/status/1010337544637067264 It's just like I've always said: "If a 50-year-old man has a Skrillex haircut, he's probably a rapist."
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“The account is new” is like maybe the worst reason to discredit something on social media of all time.
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When (sadly to an extent, if) the music #metoo wall falls, it’s gonna be huge. Bigger than Hollywood’s own reckoning, potentially. Sexual abuse is so heavily ingrained in the rockstar lifestyle that it has almost come to be an accepted part of the culture at large. I mean how many times have you read something like the “Led Zeppelin shark story,” and the tone it was told with was “isn’t this wild and crazy” as opposed to “holy gently caress these are the actions of lunatics?” Bands like Motley Crue basically predicated their entire image on being misygonistic assholes, and were celebrated for it. Like being a sexmonster has almost been a kind of brand in rock music. So it’s like, does hearing these allegations against Keenan surprise me? No. It does not. But I’m finding myself more critical of myself for not being surprised at it. Music is like super immediate in comparison to the digesting that needs to take place with film or literature. That makes it more personal. You hear a song, it affects you. But that closeness can’t serve as cover for the bad behaviors of those who are behind it. Making me feel something doesn’t excuse hurting others. Broadly adopting that mindset is going to be key in opening the music world to its own reckoning and self-reflection.
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Slutitution posted:Oh, I forgot to add ‘white,’ but somehow I think you already knew what I was getting at you tool. Similar (if far worse) statements have been made before that confounded the two, so no I can’t really be sure where you’re headed when a mistake turns your sloppy analogy into a bizarre one. On the Maynard story, one thing that bothers me a lot is the person who 'procured' the girls for him. That very fact makes it plain that it happened many times and nobody was asking any questions. Or, as probably happened more than once, outright ignored what they saw.
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Kangra posted:Similar (if far worse) statements have been made before that confounded the two, so no I can’t really be sure where you’re headed when a mistake turns your sloppy analogy into a bizarre one. Assuming she's telling the truth, the way she described it sounds like he had turned rape into a "business as usual" thing devoid of anything but getting his dick wet.
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Makes the fact that one of Tool's most well known videos/songs is about sexual abuse resonate in a new way, a really loving unpleasant one.
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Krankenstyle posted:sadly the abused often become the abusers Oh I'm definitely not trying to excuse his behaviour. But if you're a Tool fan and that song helped you cope or something (which is a thing lots of music fans do) because it made you feel less alone, you quite possibly have a real sour taste in your mouth right now. I'm sure a lot of Tool fans are just straight up in denial, too.
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I'm in awe of our ability to look at an entire art form as just "not counting" where rape is concerned.
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Rudy Giuliani’s wife filed for divorce after his affair with married woman https://pagesix.com/2018/06/12/rudy-giuliani-had-an-affair-with-married-woman-before-divorce/ Ron Jeremy Sued for Sexual Assault & Battery ... In Washington State http://www.tmz.com/2018/06/27/ron-jeremy-sued-sexual-assault-battery-washington-radio-model/ Gayle King Thinks #MeToo Needs Due Process https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/12/magazine/gayle-king-thinks-metoo-needs-due-process.html
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Oh I'm definitely not trying to excuse his behaviour. But if you're a Tool fan and that song helped you cope or something (which is a thing lots of music fans do) because it made you feel less alone, you quite possibly have a real sour taste in your mouth right now. oh no sorry that wasnt what i meant youre right if both these are true (he is a victim and an abuser), that is a lovely mindfuck for everyone for whom the songs helped go to a better place my parting shot up there was just an "explanations arent excuses" type deal
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Oh I'm definitely not trying to excuse his behaviour. But if you're a Tool fan and that song helped you cope or something (which is a thing lots of music fans do) because it made you feel less alone, you quite possibly have a real sour taste in your mouth right now. It's a similar problem to what I went through with William Control. A lot of his songs are about relationships and they range from tender love songs to lost love songs to hardcore BDSM songs. After thinking back on some of his lyrics, I can now see just how literal they were. quote:She's chained to the wall and knows her place within his violence Turns out it's not actually metaphorical! It was actually a terrifying description of him abusing women between shows!
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actually wow i guess there are some uh indicators in the song (Tool - Prison Sex) that i didnt think about before (always read it as specific revenge, and not generalized continuance)quote:It took so long to remember just what happened
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Krankenstyle posted:actually wow i guess there are some uh indicators in the song (Tool - Prison Sex) that i didnt think about before (always read it as specific revenge, and not generalized continuance) The video is also basically Sexual Abuse: the movie. It's done in the same style as the video for Sober visually, and it's about as subtle as a brick in the face
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