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Everything we have seen in Westworld is a simulation that was created after the real host take over of all world government, and exists to see if the captured humans would have been sympathetic to the robot plight had they been around in the original Westworld era. The whole thing is a take on Roko's basilisk.
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superjew posted:I really don't know why this isn't brought up more - that room full of Bernards opens the potential for several versions of the same personality to exist in separate bodies at once. We've seen teaser shots of characters in a cradle-like Sweetwater looking at themselves walk by. It seems like it wouldn't be a factor this season since it's almost over, but I think there could be some interesting storytelling about the uniqueness of an individual. so how many different bernards have we seen so far "alive"?
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Jun 19, 2018 19:07
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I really hope William is real and he gets to have another chat with the Ford AI. "You did WHAAAAAAAT? What the gently caress, Bill!"
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Jun 19, 2018 19:31
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Daedalus1134 posted:Everything we have seen in Westworld is a simulation that was created after the real host take over of all world government, and exists to see if the captured humans would have been sympathetic to the robot plight had they been around in the original Westworld era.
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Jun 19, 2018 19:33
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Also, a big mystery for me is the solution to the mental stability problem when copying a human mind. The silver lining of MIB being a host is that he could hold the key. I wonder how much of Arnold is in Bernard. Could Bernard actually be Arnold’s mind with some walls put up by Ford to keep him thinking he’s someone different? I mean, if his mind was sculpted using Dolores’ fidelity test (which I’d wager is more scrutable than a human doing it), then how exactly is he that much different from Arnold?
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Jun 19, 2018 19:33
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Oh I'm almost certain William is gonna somehow communicate with Ford and I'm willing to put money on ford saying "and if you gaze long into the abyss"
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Felix and Lee passing with flying colors. Lee only wept a little bit and had a moment of heart to heart, he was wagering on both sides.
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Jun 19, 2018 19:37
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The only way I’ll be satisfied with this season is if the final episode is just a nude Hector flexing for a full hour Maybe a little hat wobble
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Jun 19, 2018 19:45
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tino posted:Lee only wept a little bit and had a moment of heart to heart, he was wagering on both sides.
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Jun 19, 2018 19:52
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Bernard-Ford-Felix are holy trinity of the new host religion.
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Jun 19, 2018 19:58
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tino posted:Bernard-Ford-Felix are holy trinity of the new host religion. I've wondered a few times this season if they're purposefully positioning Dolores, Bernard and Maeve as Id, Ego and Super-ego. In that order.
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Jun 19, 2018 20:07
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Intel&Sebastian posted:I've wondered a few times this season if they're purposefully positioning Dolores, Bernard and Maeve as Id, Ego and Super-ego. In that order. That’d be a pretty Nolan-esque move.
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Jun 19, 2018 20:11
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Intel&Sebastian posted:I've wondered a few times this season if they're purposefully positioning Dolores, Bernard and Maeve as Id, Ego and Super-ego. In that order.
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Jun 19, 2018 20:13
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The twist is that this is the real Dolores everyone but the viewer has been seeing. Ala that Treehouse of Horror episode where Homer is in 3D.
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Jun 19, 2018 21:31
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Handen posted:Ala that Treehouse of Horror episode where Homer is in 3D. I spent years thinking about that. I wanted more and also worried because Homer would never see his family ever again.
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Jun 19, 2018 21:48
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Ford standing up in the bar and saying "No, William, I think perhaps one final game" to... himself, I guess, was one of the corniest thing's I've seen on tv in a while.
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Jun 19, 2018 22:15
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Batmasterson posted:Ford standing up in the bar and saying "No, William, I think perhaps one final game" to... himself, I guess, was one of the corniest thing's I've seen on tv in a while. Yeah whoever had been writing dialogue this season is completely hosed in the head if they think that poo poo is compelling in ANY way. How did a human being think that in their head, and not immediately call into question their entire writing career?
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Jun 19, 2018 22:20
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Batmasterson posted:Ford standing up in the bar and saying "No, William, I think perhaps one final game" to... himself, I guess, was one of the corniest thing's I've seen on tv in a while. I tried to suppress my memory of that terrible scene. This show has a number of extremely regrettable scenes that never should have made it out of the editing room.
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Jun 19, 2018 22:22
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lmao and remember they were getting all meta with the show talking about writers and poo poo too
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Snipee posted:I tried to suppress my memory of that terrible scene. This show has a number of extremely regrettable scenes that never should have made it out of the editing room. The scene where William and Grace were sitting talking and he's like "it's not your fault, she was drunk and upset," and Grace goes "she OFten was" with a weird inflection on "often" I was ready to throw my remote through the TV. NOBODY TALKS LIKE THAT! Say USUALLY! "She USUALLY was!" OR SOMETHING EQUALLY AS NOT WEIRD! YOU SOUND LIKE A ROBOT OH MY GOD GRACE IS A HOST gently caress Edit: Think about it. "How did you find me? You'd have to search the whole park." NOT IF SHE'S A HOST! CALLING IT NOW: SHE'S ONE OF THE SECRET HOSTS FORD WAS 3D PRINTING IN HIS UNIBOMBER SHACK!! XYZAB fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Jun 19, 2018 |
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Jun 19, 2018 22:41
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I watched the e10 trailer analysis on youtube, the trailer pretty much spell out the whole episode. Dolores and Bernard confirms James Delos and other fallen comrades in the matrix, Team Maeve including Lee faces off Team Corporate outside of the Forge. The only question is the background double hair lines thing that show up in multiple clips. Seem like the episode is lead heavily on action.
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Jun 19, 2018 22:45
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william thought his daughter and the security guys were hosts (until he sees she had the profile).
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Jun 19, 2018 22:52
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Okay hang on. Why would that security guy scan William's neck after he recognized him as "the boss" if he isn't a host. Isn't that an obvious hint that William *is* a host? Maybe implying that he's had these special permissions to leave the park this whole time, a claim backed up by the reveal to his wife? But then if he's never had that explosive vertebra to begin with, and everyone knows it, then why would he scan for that? Are there versions of William kicking around that *do* have that explosive vertebra and *aren't* allowed out of the park? I mean, he's been in there the longest of anyone in the game ever, probably wearing his scanner hat 24/7. If anyone's a candidate to have had a perfect host made of them and tested already, it's William. I can totally jive with the theory that he's going to dig into his arm, find the USB port, but say "this doesn't look like anything" and then keep wandering around with wires flying out of him like nothing's the matter, and then there's the reveal of him having been the first perfect host tested in the real world. XYZAB fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Jun 19, 2018 |
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Jun 19, 2018 22:56
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they scanned to be sure.
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Jun 19, 2018 23:00
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Handen posted:Okay hang on. Why would that security guy scan William's neck after he recognized him as "the boss" if he isn't a host. Isn't that an obvious hint that William *is* a host? Maybe implying that he's had these special permissions to leave the park this whole time, a claim backed up by the reveal to his wife? But then if he's never had that explosive vertebra to begin with, and everyone knows it, then why would he scan for that? Are there versions of William kicking around that *do* have that explosive vertebra and *aren't* allowed out of the park? I mean, he's been in there the longest of anyone in the game ever, probably wearing his scanner hat 24/7. If anyone's a candidate to have had a perfect host made of them and tested already, it's William. Oh hey it's the boss. poo poo's been hosed up all day though and we have one job and that is to find people and scan them to be sure they ARE people. Just going to do that then. No real mystery there.
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JossiRossi posted:Oh hey it's the boss. poo poo's been hosed up all day though and we have one job and that is to find people and scan them to be sure they ARE people. Just going to do that then. No real mystery there. That doesn't quite sit with me. How many other well known people in the real world so far have been revealed to be hosts? Just Bernard? Or is that hush-hush? I would assume that unless that breach of trust has already been made quite apparent, there would be no reason to scan people that you already know are people. Edit: this flies in the face of my own theory :durr: XYZAB fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Jun 19, 2018 |
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I would imagine security has been given some kind of 'scan everyone' order if only b/c the higher ups know all about the whole cloning/whatever thing and with the park going nuts there's no telling what could have happened w/r/t hosts of real people potentially getting out.
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tino posted:I watched the e10 trailer analysis on youtube, the trailer pretty much spell out the whole episode. Dolores and Bernard confirms James Delos and other fallen comrades in the matrix, Team Maeve including Lee faces off Team Corporate outside of the Forge. The only question is the background double hair lines thing that show up in multiple clips. Seem like the episode is lead heavily on action. It's a rip in the matte painting between Westworld and Shogun World, I bet.
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Has it been theorized yet that some or all of the hosts are built from profiles of real-world people?
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Plenty of Ed Harris and minimum Doorhinge and Teddy. All in all a good episode!
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General Dog posted:Has it been theorized yet that some or all of the hosts are built from profiles of real-world people?
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Blazing Ownager posted:That happens every time anything is criticized with a female character anymore. It's the go to lowest level of defense of poo poo products. Oh, and if they're not imperfect? They're a mary sue. Also, I don't even hang out with people who act like psychopaths in video games now, and they're just pushing buttons.
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Handen posted:The scene where William and Grace were sitting talking and he's like "it's not your fault, she was drunk and upset," and Grace goes "she OFten was" with a weird inflection on "often" I was ready to throw my remote through the TV. NOBODY TALKS LIKE THAT! I saw one of the Youtube videos of cast members reading fan theories, and frankly it's amazing to me that Katja Herbers sounds as natural as she does. Her English is obviously quite good but she struggles more than you'd think.
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Jun 20, 2018 00:37
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She was terrific as a nuclear scientist on Manhattan, a severely underappreciated show that died an early death.
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Groovelord Neato posted:william thought his daughter and the security guys were hosts (until he sees she had the profile). If they were really human, though, then the bullets wouldn't have worked on them. Bullets only work on hosts, which is why William put the gun down before shooting himself; he realized it wasn't going to work.
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Caufman posted:If they were really human, though, then the bullets wouldn't have worked on them. Are you trolling or something? The guns are all broken now since the hosts went rogue. Earlier, the Steven Ogg host, recreated a situation he was put in where a lady was put up against the wall and they were shooting at her. Then he shot her in the head and killed her. She was a guest.
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Jun 20, 2018 01:18
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Hosts shot like....everyone in ep 1 
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I'm pretty sure 99% of people who 'watch' tv shows don't actually watch them
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Caufman posted:If they were really human, though, then the bullets wouldn't have worked on them. You thought William put a gun to his head, figured "I am human so the bullets won't work". Put down the gun, then proceeded to knife up his arm looking for a data port anyway?
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