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It’s super hard to choose which Waterford I’d want to see die more.
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veni veni veni posted:It’s super hard to choose which Waterford I’d want to see die more. If Serena died, I'm not sure Fred would care or be inconvenienced much. If Fred died, I'm not sure Serena would care about him, but could potentially have to deal with a massive loss in status one way or another. Did we ever hear what happens to wives when their husbands die? Anyway, the only correct answer is both, of course, but they probably need to keep at least one around. Strahovski's the better actor, so maybe kill Fred first. Crow Jane fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Jun 21, 2018 |
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Jun 21, 2018 03:20
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Stravinski is the better actor playing the better character, so if we're talking which Waterford we want dead first, it's gotta be Fred. He's just an abusive prick; it's not as interesting. For some wild speculation, I think June successfully escapes by doing something intense. I guess that's not really that out there a prediction, but it seems like Hannah questioning if she's really tried hard enough will spur her to new lengths. Also conveniently, Alexis Bleidel needs a new assignment, hey how about that what a coincidence.
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Jun 21, 2018 03:37
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Casting spoilers made me aware of where Emily's plot is probably going, and it sounds really good
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Jun 21, 2018 04:18
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Big Bug Hug posted:Hardest part was watching Nick not do anything in an almost ideal escape opportunity. Seriously. All of three people knew where they were besides them, and Nick could have taken care of them with a couple quick bullets and peaced out with the whole fam. I don't think Nick actually wants June to escape. As far as tonights episode goes, why the gently caress didn't nick just flash his Eye badge and get those guardians to gently caress off? Am I not understanding the hierarchy here? Doorknob Slobber fucked around with this message at 06:51 on Jun 21, 2018 |
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Jun 21, 2018 06:45
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I finished it a couple hours ago and was kind of annoyed at ending the season on a cliffhanger. I'm glad I read this thread and discovered it was not the end of the season. Whoops! Also I felt almost nothing about the kid, I'm a total monster. The fake birth scene with Serena getting ready to "give birth" creeped me way the gently caress out more than the rest of the episode.
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Jun 21, 2018 07:45
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I thought they showed the whole thing fully last season when Janine gave birth. Still creepy of course.
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Jun 21, 2018 08:01
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Doorknob Slobber posted:Seriously. All of three people knew where they were besides them, and Nick could have taken care of them with a couple quick bullets and peaced out with the whole fam. I don't think Nick actually wants June to escape. As far as tonights episode goes, why the gently caress didn't nick just flash his Eye badge and get those guardians to gently caress off? Am I not understanding the hierarchy here? It seemed like a setup to me?
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Jun 21, 2018 11:38
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I am worried that Serena's fate is her becoming a handmaid since she is most likely fertile. It would be an interesting plot, but as much as I want Serena to die, being ritualistically raped as comeuppance is gross. succ posted:It seemed like a setup to me? Timeless Appeal fucked around with this message at 12:12 on Jun 21, 2018 |
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Jun 21, 2018 12:09
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I thought Serena literally got shot in her uterus? Both of em.
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Jun 21, 2018 13:46
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precision posted:yeah, that was really rough to watch, but also a very good episode. maaaan. Nick is such a frustrating character to watch. Like there's so much he could have done to placate his teen bride so at the very least she doesn't rat his rear end out in the near future without having to pretend he was all in on the sudden marriage thing. Hell, June had the right idea in being kind/reassuring to her since she's a brain washed child that doesn't know any better. I know this show is a dystopian hellscape, but I'm really hoping things start really hitting the fan for Gilead by the end of this season, the end of the book implies that Gilead no longer exists, so lets get to that part as opposed to 2 more seasons of crippling depression. Matt Zerella posted:I thought Serena literally got shot in her uterus?
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Jun 21, 2018 14:36
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succ posted:It seemed like a setup to me? Considering Fred kept telling Nick not to let anyone see him, and how Nick instinctively knew something bad was going to happen when he saw people coming, I thought it was just that the meeting was arranged in a super off limits place for the sake of secrecy. Also since Fred got angry when June suggested it might not be within his power to arrange a meeting with her daughter, I thought it was just a cheap diaplay of how much control he really had over Gilead. I half expected him to say something along the lines of "God giveth, and gotld taketh away", though that's probably too cheesy for this show
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Jun 21, 2018 14:38
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Angrymantium posted:Considering Fred kept telling Nick not to let anyone see him, and how Nick instinctively knew something bad was going to happen when he saw people coming, I thought it was just that the meeting was arranged in a super off limits place for the sake of secrecy. Was one of the guardians the one that eden kissed? My wife said this morning maybe she was watching nick and had that dude follow him up there. Would explain why the guardians didn't look for June after they shot Nick, because if it was a set up by waterford he probably for sure would have been like make sure to off the handmaid too.
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Jun 21, 2018 15:32
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How is this show? Reviews are pretty good but it also sounds depressing and bleak as gently caress?
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Jun 21, 2018 15:41
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double nine posted:How is this show? Reviews are pretty good but it also sounds depressing and bleak as gently caress? Yes. It's really well made and the plot is well written, but it is also incredibly depressing. I am personally just trying to hang in there until we get to the fall of Gilead, so all these evil fucks start getting theirs.
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Jun 21, 2018 15:44
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Ouhei posted:Yes. I still don’t think the fall of Gilead will happen for a loooooong time, if st all, on the show. The epilogue mentions that the events of the book and what happens immediately after all take place in the “Early” Gilead period.
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Jun 21, 2018 16:06
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Bamabalacha posted:I still don’t think the fall of Gilead will happen for a loooooong time, if st all, on the show. I think the show runner said they had ~10 seasons worth of ideas, including What the fall would look like and the aftermath. I just can't imagine another full season of what we've had for the first 2 seasons, that's a lot of suffering with no "pay off". I sincerely hope they don't do 10 seasons...I know they've got a 3rd coming, but they've also said they don't want to do too much not in the book (said they're telling the book content, just slower and more filled in).
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Jun 21, 2018 16:14
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I really enjoy this show and I don't think fiction has to be 'realistic' at all (what matters is the story being told) but even so it's hard not to get caught up on some of the blatant plot holes in this thing.
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Jun 21, 2018 16:18
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This show is good, but will be bad if they try to stretch it to ten seasons. Especially if June doesn't escape soon and it turns into a grimdark gilligans island as someone upthread put it.
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Jun 21, 2018 16:39
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Owlbear Camus posted:This show is good, but will be bad if they try to stretch it to ten seasons. Especially if June doesn't escape soon and it turns into a grimdark gilligans island as someone upthread put it. “Grimdark Gilligan’s Island”, hahahahaha. And yeah, I agree about the length, I think 5 or 6 seasons would be ideal.
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Jun 21, 2018 16:53
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Am I reading to much in to something to think that Bledel poisoned the captain somehow? Didn't she do that in the camps?
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Jun 21, 2018 21:16
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Cory Snyder posted:Am I reading to much in to something to think that Bledel poisoned the captain somehow? Didn't she do that in the camps? No that 100% seemed to me to be what was going on.
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Jun 21, 2018 21:42
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Given the paucity of scientific knowledge allowed in Gilead, I hope she quietly keeps poisoning man after man without anyone figuring out how.
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Jun 21, 2018 21:51
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Timeless Appeal posted:I am worried that Serena's fate is her becoming a handmaid since she is most likely fertile. It would be an interesting plot, but as much as I want Serena to die, being ritualistically raped as comeuppance is gross. Even if she were fertile, she wouldn't become a Handmaid. Wives who are fertile just have normal marriages, as we saw with the Prole family and in this episode they talked about how that one Commander was lucky to have a fertile wife so they didn't have a Handmaid.
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Jun 21, 2018 22:37
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precision posted:Even if she were fertile, she wouldn't become a Handmaid. Wives who are fertile just have normal marriages, as we saw with the Prole family and in this episode they talked about how that one Commander was lucky to have a fertile wife so they didn't have a Handmaid. I guess the conversation with the American operative made me think she was at least potentially fertile? I suppose I misinterpreted the scene.
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Jun 22, 2018 00:50
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The whole infertility issue in this show seems like it would be...not that hard to study? Like, even it wasn't easy to solve due to environmental reasons or whatever, wouldn't they really easily be able to pinpoint that it was men who are infertile?
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Jun 22, 2018 00:55
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I loved how  the newly promoted fertile commander was and eagerly look forward to the gang that couldn't shoot being purged.Edit: was the book written before IVF took off? Getting people pregnant is pretty easy these days, the problem is with women for whatever reason not being able to bring the ferilized eggs to term. If that were the case wives like Serena would be having miscarriages instead of not getting pregnant. Chef Boyardeez Nuts fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Jun 22, 2018 |
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Jun 22, 2018 01:57
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I think it was written shortly before my aunt went through ivf to make my cousin (call that 1988). I don't know how much that process has changed but at the time it was very intense and involved.
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Jun 22, 2018 02:55
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I feel like religiously motivated patriarchal authoritarian dystopian rape cult is a bit too many words, so just remember they are evil and stupid. That's it. "Why do they have to have so much rape?". They are evil. "Wouldn't it be easier to study the problem and deal with it so that you have more people being born in your country?". They are stupid. "Why do they so relentlessly punish women for even minor offenses, further depleting their work force and driving them closer and closer to social implosion?". They are evil and stupid. "Surely people this evil and stupid couldn't amass so much power?". Watch the news. Or don't. At least you can remind yourself this show is fiction.
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Jun 22, 2018 02:57
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Repressive regimes aren’t rational, or pursue power in ways that make things inefficient. It may be more important to them to enforce certain theological principles over the simplest solution, or any solution. There were people in America at the height of the polio epidemic who said it was immoral to spend tax dollars giving it away for free and that the only moral solution was to let capitalism do the rationing, so great was their investment in the idea of markets as arbiters of morality.
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Jun 22, 2018 03:44
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Most people are sterile, men and women. Gilead just blames the women.
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Jun 22, 2018 04:32
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Owlbear Camus posted:This show is good, but will be bad if they try to stretch it to ten seasons. Especially if June doesn't escape soon and it turns into a grimdark gilligans island as someone upthread put it. Timeless Appeal posted:It's been heavily implied that Fred is sterile which is why Serena had Nick hook up with June and that women aren't the ones who are suffering from infertility.
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Jun 22, 2018 13:02
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:I loved how But there are no sterile men in the Bible, only women who can't bring forth children who resort to having their slaves get pregnant on their behalf. So in Gilead it would probably be blasphemy to even hint at men being the reason there are so few babies. And there is no IVF in the Bible, so that is probably illegal too. Surrogacy has scriptural presidency, IVF do not. My ex-mother-in-law truly believed that IVF caused birth defects, while surrogacy was perfectly acceptable, using the Bible as her guide. Of course, she also believed women didn't have souls until they gave birth to a son, among other WTF??? religious ideas.
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Jun 22, 2018 13:23
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Sure but the inferity crisis is what drove the formation of Gilead in the first place. I doubt they would have gotten traction if they were self-limiting. But then people are bitching now about Millennials choosing not to take on the massive income hit of having kids so I guess it's not all that far off.
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Jun 22, 2018 14:28
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veni veni veni posted:The whole infertility issue in this show seems like it would be...not that hard to study? Like, even it wasn't easy to solve due to environmental reasons or whatever, wouldn't they really easily be able to pinpoint that it was men who are infertile? wait i thought you were american too? why would white christian americans would handle the issue of massively declining birthrates in a not-batshit way?
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Jun 22, 2018 14:37
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business hammocks posted:Repressive regimes aren’t rational, or pursue power in ways that make things inefficient. It may be more important to them to enforce certain theological principles over the simplest solution, or any solution. There were people in America at the height of the polio epidemic who said it was immoral to spend tax dollars giving it away for free and that the only moral solution was to let capitalism do the rationing, so great was their investment in the idea of markets as arbiters of morality. i mean look at how america handled the AIDS crisis
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Jun 22, 2018 14:38
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The scene with
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Jun 22, 2018 16:13
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tetrapyloctomy posted:The scene with I was sad they reeled it back in, I thought they were totally going to just have her resent June. I suppose given everything else in the episode they needed a hope spot. That was much more effective that this week's comically evil torture porn moment, in having the Waterford's hate gently caress their handmaid to teach her a lesson. I don't think it would be a stretch to call it rape but Gileadean society probably would believe the old wives tale that you can use sex to induce labor. Though I think the implication here is that Serena and the Commander knew it was "wrong" in this instance, that there's actually a difference between this 'Ceremony' and any of the other ones is pretty flimsy. I don't really know how many legs the show has if June escapes to Canada or gets reassigned. I'm already feeling like it's going to be a giant cop-out to have June survive and continue on given the way in which they're sort of wrapping up her various arcs while building up Emily. I worry we're going to get even further into Game of Thrones territory with the antagonists becoming more of more comically evil to the point that nobody believes their character or cares about them.
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Jun 22, 2018 16:51
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PaybackJack posted:I was sad they reeled it back in, I thought they were totally going to just have her resent June. I suppose given everything else in the episode they needed a hope spot.
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When June said "Do you remember me?" I was just expecting Hannah to say "No"
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