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Anomalous Amalgam
Feb 13, 2015

by Nyc_Tattoo
Doctor Rope

Monathin posted:

That is, in effect, the crux of my argument, and I think AA knows that, and is now latching onto the fact that I called out their pile onto ANarc as obviously false by trying to extrapolate specific wording. When my case is intrinsically AA is not actually, in good faith, examining why a scum would stick their neck out like that on that post. Just basically going "yep tag 'em and bag 'em boys this guy knows more than we do, gotta be scum."


There is obviously WIFOM to be had but I feel like if you follow the actual argument that happened there's no reason in the world a scum ANarc would have made that post with suspicion already on them, and AA's OMGUS on me calling out their reaction as bad is the icing on the cake.

Your argument rests on a subjective understanding of your own argument that has since developed into what it is. Your original callouts do little to establish that it's about scum making a reasonable play.

Monathin posted:

Or maybe merk is just wrong, and you're town, but if you're immediately saying M-M-MAYBE MERK IS A 3P TRYING TO PLAY TO WINCON on day 1 I think you're desperately trying to deflect and it's not looking good for you either.

I actually don't think that's as scummy as everyone else thinks you do, precisely because this seems like too dumb a move for scum to make in any reasonable capacity on Day 1.


This post, however, I like less, because unlike Anon, who is kinda flailing around and retailiating on merk's case, AA is kind of saying HM YES THIS MAKES YOU LOOK PRETTY SCUMMY FRIENDO, but hasn't actually decided to change his vote. It's a sort of white noise post meant to throw a "me too" on a clearly suspicious target and make them easier to push.

In fact. ##vote AA
And I'm tired of quoting this loving post, but... you're framing your vote against me as an intentional misunderstanding on why scum wouldn't stick their necks out and that's not even remotely what your case and vote are about.

If anyone took the time to read the game, they'd see in your own post where you vote me, that you rail anarc for the same thing I call into suspicion, but in a far more grating manner.

You're either an idiot or scum.

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Anomalous Amalgam
Feb 13, 2015

by Nyc_Tattoo
Doctor Rope
##vote mona

Anarc could still be scum, but mona is making a play here and has directly opposed themselves with me.

Asiina
Apr 26, 2011

No going back
Grimey Drawer
I'm with AA that this feels like a troll. I have no idea how people aren't getting what he's saying.

merk in particular stands out to me for this, because his vote reasoning doesn't follow at all. How is he lashing out defensively by explaining himself in a way that makes perfect sense.

I don't usually make a call like this D1, but I won't vote for AA today.

Anomalous Amalgam
Feb 13, 2015

by Nyc_Tattoo
Doctor Rope

Anomalous Amalgam posted:

Like what about this game up to this point would lead her to believe that as a possibility?

Worse, why is mona framing me questioning that as a me too on her?

These two questions in combination with mona' s vote should prove my innocence.

Mona frames my questioning as a me too, but they do the same thing in post they vote me in lol

Literally the same subject matter I call her out on, he does, and then votes me for it.

lol

Monathin
Sep 1, 2011

?????????
?

Anomalous Amalgam posted:

##vote mona

Anarc could still be scum, but mona is making a play here and has directly opposed themselves with me.

It's almost as if I don't call you out for what was obviously a bad comment on a target who you could push for an easy execute, you'll get away with it. Even if the thread turns on me I've raised enough stink to be sure people are going to be looking at you twice over.

Dunk me if you want, I'll even claim before hammer if it looks like vote swings that way. I'm pretty drat positive you're scum by your now constant attempts to lash out defensively (including two OMGUS votes, nice), plus your attempt to say I'm wrong because I called it a me too, maybe I should have called it dogpiling, then? They mean the same thing, in my eyes, it's still scum trying to get an easy dunk, and you aren't arguing in good faith with anyone here. I don't know what Asiina sees, but you're scum and I'm 100% willing to put myself on the chopping block today if it means seeing that out.

Monathin
Sep 1, 2011

?????????
?

Also if we wanna get really technical your post was also rolefishing as in "YOU MUST HAVE SOMETHING THAT TELLS YOU THAT'S WHAT MERK IS", instead of what it clearly was to anyone with half a brain: blatant speculation.

Anomalous Amalgam
Feb 13, 2015

by Nyc_Tattoo
Doctor Rope

Monathin posted:

It's almost as if I don't call you out for what was obviously a bad comment on a target who you could push for an easy execute, you'll get away with it. Even if the thread turns on me I've raised enough stink to be sure people are going to be looking at you twice over.

Dunk me if you want, I'll even claim before hammer if it looks like vote swings that way. I'm pretty drat positive you're scum by your now constant attempts to lash out defensively (including two OMGUS votes, nice), plus your attempt to say I'm wrong because I called it a me too, maybe I should have called it dogpiling, then? They mean the same thing, in my eyes, it's still scum trying to get an easy dunk, and you aren't arguing in good faith with anyone here. I don't know what Asiina sees, but you're scum and I'm 100% willing to put myself on the chopping block today if it means seeing that out.

Only i had already voiced suspicion and a willingness to vote. Your concrete confidence and assurance is nice, but let's see if you feel that way if it does shift.

It should be plain for anyone to see that, what you fault me for, you do in the same turn you vote me in lol.

Anomalous Amalgam
Feb 13, 2015

by Nyc_Tattoo
Doctor Rope

Monathin posted:

Also if we wanna get really technical your post was also rolefishing as in "YOU MUST HAVE SOMETHING THAT TELLS YOU THAT'S WHAT MERK IS", instead of what it clearly was to anyone with half a brain: blatant speculation.

So now you ridicule my intelligence, trying to further provoke an emotional response and apply whatever sticks to secure your mislynch on me.

Scum101.txt

Monathin
Sep 1, 2011

?????????
?

Anomalous Amalgam posted:

So now you ridicule my intelligence, trying to further provoke an emotional response and apply whatever sticks to secure your mislynch on me.

Scum101.txt

I could say the same thing about you banging your war drum about a small part of my overall case that you keep yelling about as if you'll get the thread to rally to your side if you say it loud enough.

But I don't need to convince scum they're scum.

Anomalous Amalgam
Feb 13, 2015

by Nyc_Tattoo
Doctor Rope
Someone has to die. Fine if it's me. 4 hours to go, not wasting any more energy on this game today. I've made my points.

votefinder
Jul 6, 2010

scoop scoop
Votecount for Day 1

Anomalous Amalgam (4): Captain Foo, CCKeane, Monathin, merk
Retro Futurist (3): b-minus1, Moatillata, Dick Bastardly
CCKeane (3): AnonymousNarcotics, King Burgundy, AnonymousNarcotics, AnonymousNarcotics, Asiina
Moatillata (2): Dancer, Retro Futurist
Monathin (1): Anomalous Amalgam, Anomalous Amalgam, Anomalous Amalgam
Dancer (1): Dancer, Hal Incandenza, Dancer
King Burgundy (0): CCKeane, merk, merk, AnonymousNarcotics, AnonymousNarcotics, CCKeane
Dick Bastardly (0): Moatillata, Anomalous Amalgam, Retro Futurist, Moatillata, Retro Futurist, Anomalous Amalgam
merk (0): King Burgundy, Hal Incandenza, Hal Incandenza, King Burgundy, Moatillata, Moatillata
AnonymousNarcotics (0): merk, b-minus1, b-minus1, merk, Anomalous Amalgam, Anomalous Amalgam

Not Voting (0):

With 14 alive, it's 8 votes to execute. The current deadline is June 23rd, 2018 at 11 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 3 hours, 16 minutes.

Moatillata
Dec 13, 2006

Maintain.

AnonymousNarcotics posted:

The point of my post was that I don't think merk is scum bc of the way he's tunneling me. I'd either say he's wrong town or 3p

This reads like a post I would make when I first started playing and rolled scum

I'm not gonna be around for deadline, is no one else feeling RF?

AnonymousNarcotics
Aug 6, 2012

we will go far into the sea
you will take me
onto your back
never look back
never look back
I'm not gonna be around for deadline. Who should I vote? Leaning AA

AnonymousNarcotics
Aug 6, 2012

we will go far into the sea
you will take me
onto your back
never look back
never look back
Actually I'm still good with my Keane vote. I didn't look at the vote count and assumed it was going nowhere but I think we can manage that

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


I didn’t like the original AA case but I do like the current case of “threw shade on anon but won’t vote”

##vote aa I might be here for deadline but I think we’re going to throw a movie on

Dancer
May 23, 2011
I don't like Mona's post attacking AA who I thought was making a good point (ref: Mona's post towards the top of page 8; I'm phoneposting so no quote), and I also think AA is making a reasonable defense in his first post following Mona's accusation.
AA's behaviour before that event is a bit impenetrable to me, but doesn't (yet) jump out as suspect.

At the same time, CCKeane remains a suspect of mine.

##vote CCKeane

Monathin
Sep 1, 2011

?????????
?

Votecount for Day 1

Anomalous Amalgam (5): Captain Foo, CCKeane, Monathin, merk, Retro Futurist
CCKeane (4): AnonymousNarcotics, King Burgundy, AnonymousNarcotics, AnonymousNarcotics, Asiina, Dancer
Retro Futurist (3): b-minus1, Moatillata, Dick Bastardly
Monathin (1): Anomalous Amalgam, Anomalous Amalgam, Anomalous Amalgam
Dancer (1): Dancer, Hal Incandenza, Dancer
Moatillata (0): Dancer, Retro Futurist, Retro Futurist, Dancer
King Burgundy (0): CCKeane, merk, merk, AnonymousNarcotics, AnonymousNarcotics, CCKeane
Dick Bastardly (0): Moatillata, Anomalous Amalgam, Retro Futurist, Moatillata, Retro Futurist, Anomalous Amalgam
merk (0): King Burgundy, Hal Incandenza, Hal Incandenza, King Burgundy, Moatillata, Moatillata
AnonymousNarcotics (0): merk, b-minus1, b-minus1, merk, Anomalous Amalgam, Anomalous Amalgam

Not Voting (0):

With 14 alive, it's 8 votes to execute. The current deadline is June 23rd, 2018 at 11 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 1 hour, 58 minutes.

Monathin
Sep 1, 2011

?????????
?

I feel satisfied with my AA vote today, and think it's the proper vote for today. I am notably weirdly not very suspicious of Keane, and would rather not change my vote to him.

Anomalous Amalgam
Feb 13, 2015

by Nyc_Tattoo
Doctor Rope
I think scum is brazen this game. I approve. Whatever happens I enjoy active scum team

??? Keane Mona w/anarc(patsy by association)

Anomalous Amalgam
Feb 13, 2015

by Nyc_Tattoo
Doctor Rope
Hal maybe

King Burgundy
Sep 17, 2003

I am the Burgundy King,
I can do anything!

Anomalous Amalgam posted:

I think scum is brazen this game. I approve. Whatever happens I enjoy active scum team

??? Keane Mona w/anarc(patsy by association)

##vote AA

Monathin
Sep 1, 2011

?????????
?

That puts AA at -2, ftr.

Anomalous Amalgam
Feb 13, 2015

by Nyc_Tattoo
Doctor Rope

KB, new meta and all, this is a disservice to the cases I put forth.

King Burgundy
Sep 17, 2003

I am the Burgundy King,
I can do anything!

Anomalous Amalgam posted:

KB, new meta and all, this is a disservice to the cases I put forth.

This is fair. Since you put so much effort in today, I'll give you this early tidbit:

You made a post declaring, among the scum team, Keane. Who I agree with. At about an hour from deadline. It is looking very much like a no cuddle.

But, you left your vote on Mona, one of your other scum picks, with only one vote, rather than trying to consolidate on the person you seem to agree is scum, who had way more votes and was the more likely cuddle.

To me, this looks like you and Keane are both scum and you are hoping the split vote leads to a no cuddle rather that one of you going.

CCKeane
Jan 28, 2008

my shit posts don't die, they multiply

Hello.

CCKeane
Jan 28, 2008

my shit posts don't die, they multiply

King Burgundy posted:

This is fair. Since you put so much effort in today, I'll give you this early tidbit:

You made a post declaring, among the scum team, Keane. Who I agree with. At about an hour from deadline. It is looking very much like a no cuddle.

But, you left your vote on Mona, one of your other scum picks, with only one vote, rather than trying to consolidate on the person you seem to agree is scum, who had way more votes and was the more likely cuddle.

To me, this looks like you and Keane are both scum and you are hoping the split vote leads to a no cuddle rather that one of you going.

This is a worse take that a child's first attempt at shoplifting, smh smh.

King Burgundy
Sep 17, 2003

I am the Burgundy King,
I can do anything!

CCKeane posted:

This is a worse take that a child's first attempt at shoplifting, smh smh.

You agree that he is scum, so why do you think he didn't swap to you given that you actually had the second most votes, with only an hour to go?

CCKeane
Jan 28, 2008

my shit posts don't die, they multiply

King Burgundy posted:

You agree that he is scum, so why do you think he didn't swap to you given that you actually had the second most votes, with only an hour to go?

I don't know, ask AA.

CCKeane
Jan 28, 2008

my shit posts don't die, they multiply

King Burgundy posted:

You agree that he is scum, so why do you think he didn't swap to you given that you actually had the second most votes, with only an hour to go?

KB I have an idea, why don't you tell me what number I'm thinking of right now? I'll give you a hint: it doesn't rhyme with an animal...or at least, not an animal I recognize.

Monathin
Sep 1, 2011

?????????
?

I would very much prefer if we did not have a no-execute.

30 minutes to deadline.

Moatillata
Dec 13, 2006

Maintain.
:whatup:

##vote aa

King Burgundy
Sep 17, 2003

I am the Burgundy King,
I can do anything!

Votecount for Day 1

Anomalous Amalgam (7): Captain Foo, CCKeane, Monathin, merk, Retro Futurist, King Burgundy, Moatillata
CCKeane (3): AnonymousNarcotics, King Burgundy, AnonymousNarcotics, AnonymousNarcotics, Asiina, Dancer, King Burgundy
Retro Futurist (2): b-minus1, Moatillata, Dick Bastardly, Moatillata
Monathin (1): Anomalous Amalgam, Anomalous Amalgam, Anomalous Amalgam
Dancer (1): Dancer, Hal Incandenza, Dancer
Moatillata (0): Dancer, Retro Futurist, Retro Futurist, Dancer
King Burgundy (0): CCKeane, merk, merk, AnonymousNarcotics, AnonymousNarcotics, CCKeane
Dick Bastardly (0): Moatillata, Anomalous Amalgam, Retro Futurist, Moatillata, Retro Futurist, Anomalous Amalgam
merk (0): King Burgundy, Hal Incandenza, Hal Incandenza, King Burgundy, Moatillata, Moatillata
AnonymousNarcotics (0): merk, b-minus1, b-minus1, merk, Anomalous Amalgam, Anomalous Amalgam

Not Voting (0):

With 14 alive, it's 8 votes to execute. The current deadline is June 23rd, 2018 at 11 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 27 minutes.

Moatillata
Dec 13, 2006

Maintain.
Literally hiding in the bathroom to make deadline

Youre welcome everyone

Monathin
Sep 1, 2011

?????????
?

Moatillata posted:

Literally hiding in the bathroom to make deadline

Youre welcome everyone

You're a hero and a scholar, Moat.

Monathin
Sep 1, 2011

?????????
?

Anyway that's -1, still need a hammer vote.

CCKeane
Jan 28, 2008

my shit posts don't die, they multiply

Moatillata posted:

Literally hiding in the bathroom to make deadline

Youre welcome everyone

I'm proud of you.

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

Monathin posted:

Anyway that's -1, still need a hammer vote.

I’m here I can do it if no one has anything to add

King Burgundy
Sep 17, 2003

I am the Burgundy King,
I can do anything!

Hal Incandenza posted:

I’m here I can do it if no one has anything to add

Hurrah

Monathin
Sep 1, 2011

?????????
?

Hal Incandenza posted:

Im here I can do it if no one has anything to add

bring it home, Hal.

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Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

##vote AA

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